Farmer and Pettine both fired. Official
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Cash is nice when you sign a three year contract with guaranteed money no matter what shit effort you make.
Weather the storm for a year and walk out with three years pay. That is who will come if pettine is gone.
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If were me-- GM Scott Piolli HC Hugh Jackson DC Mike Singleterry OC Don't see Flip but maybe?...... Haslem & his street peeps will hire Chip Kelly than follow his insanity with his pick of JM. Football Gods Hate Cleveland!! Pound them F'in Pancakes Boys!! Again if Farmer goes the only GM candidate if he is? Is Bryan Billick that may keep Pet a job. If Wolfe Pet is gone.
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This is a hard one. For me, it depends on what other coaches are available before I fire Pet. Farmer is easier, I fire him. Someone has to be held accountable for this 3-13 dumpster fire, and Ray and his phone get the boot. Now if the Colts are dumb enough to fire Pagano, then I also fire Pet and target Pags.
I like Pet the man, but I haven't seen enough improvement to hand him the keys again if there is a proven coach that I can replace him with....... If there isn't that proven coach, then I keep him as making a lateral move just for the sake of making a move would set us back even further.
Are we really sure Pagano is that great of a coach? He "lucked" into a franchise QB and Arians coached that team for most of his first year anyways. I know he's won more games than Pettine has here...but are we really sure he's a great coach?
Are we really sure Pagano is that great of a coach? He "lucked" into a franchise QB and Arians coached that team for most of his first year anyways. I know he's won more games than Pettine has here...but are we really sure he's a great coach?
How many great coaches had crap QB's?
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Cash is nice when you sign a three year contract with guaranteed money no matter what shit effort you make.
Weather the storm for a year and walk out with three years pay. That is who will come if pettine is gone.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Pettine is gone, sure as shit.
Farmer is gone also.
Get an experienced coach who's been in the playoffs. Someone under the radar. Like Arians.
Get a GM that's had some success.
Because coaches and GM's that have been to the playoffs and have had success other places grow on trees and are easy to find.
Rod Graves might be available. I believe Pagano will be also.Because coaches and GM's that have been to the playoffs and have had success other places grow on trees and are easy to find.
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If we fire .. We will get the 8th best candidate.
Our takent level is low,we have no qb, and Jimmy will have fired 3 coaches in 4 offseasons ... we will be last choice.
Z
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One Post From the Truth said:
Rod Graves might be available. I believe Pagano will be also.
Rod Graves I've never heard of. Pagano...definitely has had success in Indy. Just looked him up..didn't realize that he was a coach with the Browns with Butch.
Rod Graves was the GM when the Cards went to SB in '08. He's got an eye for talent. He lost his job when he couldn't land P. Manning in Az. No one knows too much other than Coach Whiz and him were shit canned.Rod Graves I've never heard of. Pagano...definitely has had success in Indy. Just looked him up..didn't realize that he was a coach with the Browns with Butch.
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If we fire .. We will get the 8th best candidate.
Our takent level is low,we have no qb, and Jimmy will have fired 3 coaches in 4 offseasons ... we will be last choice.
Z
Zombo said:
If we fire .. We will get the 8th best candidate.
Our takent level is low,we have no qb, and Jimmy will have fired 3 coaches in 4 offseasons ... we will be last choice.
Z
This is why Jimmy needs to open the wallet and pay
We can get a Gruden, Cowher, Parcells, Gibbs, type guy
Just pay the money
It isn't our money, and the team is worth Almost DOUBLE what Jimmy paid for it.
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If we fire .. We will get the 8th best candidate.
Our takent level is low,we have no qb, and Jimmy will have fired 3 coaches in 4 offseasons ... we will be last choice.
Z
Zombo said:
If we fire .. We will get the 8th best candidate.
Our takent level is low,we have no qb, and Jimmy will have fired 3 coaches in 4 offseasons ... we will be last choice.
Z
Unfortunately that is reality. So away with Farmer and O'Neil.
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You can't fire Pettine and here's why....the new GM isn't going to find anyone better to replace him. Period. We know this. You can get Elliot Wolf that's fine, but just because he becomes our GM doesn't mean we're gonna have elite level coaches banging down the door to come coach here. We know this. If this clown show continues, we can maybe get away with firing Pettine next year. We fire another coach after 2 years and it's over. Cleveland fans really need to wake up to that fact. No one is coming here that's worth a shit. We'll be rolling the dice again on some unproven coach who's coming here as mostly an audition for a job in some other organization. I'm not some huge Pettine fan, i have some real issues with our defense was handled this year and that is on him...he's a defense guy. And the fact that it's coming out that Gilbert was his pick. He's got one more year to show improvement in that defense.
You underestimate the lure of cash.....
If Jimmy puts out the money, we can get anyone he wants
You underestimate the lure of cash.....
If Jimmy puts out the money, we can get anyone he wants
i think that's wishful thinking at this point. I think alot of the proven guys look at it that they might get Jimmy to part with alot of cash, but the experience here ruins their careers. Why would a Cowher or Gruden come to an organization as dysfunctional as this where there's no hope of turning things around quickly enough to satisfy the fan base that will be calling for them to be tarred and feathered halfway through the 1st season of what would necessarily be a minimum of a 4 year project? Why? You know full well that Gruden could sign on with us and the boners on this board for him woudl be raging......till literally 7 games into next season when we'll be lucky to have won a game or two.
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I would pretty much say all of them.How many great coaches had crap QB's?
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Supposedly numerous sources in the org get the feeling Pettine is done. Take it for what it is worth.
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Like many (most) Fans, I have had my thoughts about who may get the axe, but I am certainly not qualified to say who stays or goes. However, I strongly believe that the most important hire Jimmy could make is an experienced football guy as a President of Football Operations (POFO as Gipper has stated) to make intelligent, informed football decisions. The progression from there should be whether or not Farmer stays, then the HC issue, and on from there to create a legitimate & credible chain of command.
That's what I would like to see, but we'll see what ACTUALLY happens.
Mike
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This is a hard one. For me, it depends on what other coaches are available before I fire Pet. Farmer is easier, I fire him. Someone has to be held accountable for this 3-13 dumpster fire, and Ray and his phone get the boot. Now if the Colts are dumb enough to fire Pagano, then I also fire Pet and target Pags.
I like Pet the man, but I haven't seen enough improvement to hand him the keys again if there is a proven coach that I can replace him with....... If there isn't that proven coach, then I keep him as making a lateral move just for the sake of making a move would set us back even further.
Are we really sure Pagano is that great of a coach? He "lucked" into a franchise QB and Arians coached that team for most of his first year anyways. I know he's won more games than Pettine has here...but are we really sure he's a great coach?
Are we really sure Pagano is that great of a coach? He "lucked" into a franchise QB and Arians coached that team for most of his first year anyways. I know he's won more games than Pettine has here...but are we really sure he's a great coach?
I like Pags. I think he's done a great job this year with the hand he was dealt, and his teams always seem prepared and they play hard........ Just a gut feel on my part.
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Like many (most) Fans, I have had my thoughts about who may get the axe, but I am certainly not qualified to say who stays or goes. However, I strongly believe that the most important hire Jimmy could make is an experienced football guy as a President of Football Operations (POFO as Gipper has stated) to make intelligent, informed football decisions. The progression from there should be whether or not Farmer stays, then the HC issue, and on from there to create a legitimate & credible chain of command.
That's what I would like to see, but we'll see what ACTUALLY happens.
Mike
Like many (most) Fans, I have had my thoughts about who may get the axe, but I am certainly not qualified to say who stays or goes. However, I strongly believe that the most important hire Jimmy could make is an experienced football guy as a President of Football Operations (POFO as Gipper has stated) to make intelligent, informed football decisions. The progression from there should be whether or not Farmer stays, then the HC issue, and on from there to create a legitimate & credible chain of command.
That's what I would like to see, but we'll see what ACTUALLY happens.
Mike
totally agree with this
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Keep 'em all. Even Farmer. Even O'Neill! Just get more juice at your position coach spots. Our guys are inexperienced, and suck.
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I say, "Stay the Course"!
Keep everything in place, build off what we have and if we don't eclipse a .500 season next year then we will have to pull the plug.
But for right now, I feel like we need to invest in continuity. Maybe this scheme will work with a little more time towards adjustments.
With the Browns getting Gordon back, a draft that might hold the number 1 overall pick to go along with a good draft class, getting Ekpre next season and just development from all our guys... we have a shot here to make a hell of a good football team.
Pettine needs to be better. O'Neil needs to be better. Special Teams, specifically field goal unit, needs to be better. The micromanaging of the D line needs to stop. Guys like Shelton need to be in there for 3 downs, make the other team dread hitting our wall. Get some monsters out there and let them feast.
But, I say we stay the course. Unless we can pry The Oz from Baltimore to come and be our GM and Gruden wants the Head Coaching Job.. hold firm and lets see if we can build something here. The longer we have continuity the faster and better our guys will be able to play. With knowing all the exceptions to the rules and where the plays are to be made... just build, invest and embrace the process. Superbowl next year, Gordon is the comeback player of the year. The Defense and Offense rank in the top 5 and our Gameplans are much more effective. Go Browns.
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I'm in agreement PG and also with Mike. We do need experience, but this doesn't mean we have to fire. Continuity could well be the key.
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