Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I guess I should take a victory lap here ... but actually this makes me sad. I know I pissed off the A&M boys and good Browns fans like Westside and TCPO over this guy ... but something never smelled right with this guy. He's not a Brown. At least we found out in two years and not three. McCown and Goff wouldnt be the worst thing for an offensive minded coach to start with next year.
Z
Zombo said:
I guess I should take a victory lap here ... but actually this makes me sad. I know I pissed off the A&M boys and good Browns fans like Westside and TCPO over this guy ... but something never smelled right with this guy. He's not a Brown. At least we found out in two years and not three. McCown and Goff wouldn't be the worst thing for an offensive minded coach to start with next year.
Z
Z, it's not the on field stuff- it's the off field stuff that bought him his ticket out of town. He knows what he has to do, and can't do it- or just plain doesn't care.
VesnaKociper said:
The real sin here, is that any of you ever accepted this piece of shit once his colors were exposed. There was simply no reason for him to have ever finished his rookie year as a Brown. How could anyone not know this guy hated Cleveland?
Seriously, would you want to play in Cleveland? You would have to be nuts.
The reality Tom is in the history of the NFL a first round pick has never been cut after one season. I don't think he hated Cleveland- it's just that he likes partying and drinking more. Assuming Tony Grossi is right- and I have no reason to believe he'd make up an accusation like that if he wasn't sure it was correct- Manziel showed up for work drunk on Wednesday. Most corporations would have fired him on the spot for something like that. The only reason they didn't cut him is the (faint) hope they can sucker a seventh round pick out of Dallas for the guy.
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Zombo said:
I guess I should take a victory lap here ... but actually this makes me sad. I know I pissed off the A&M boys and good Browns fans like Westside and TCPO over this guy ... but something never smelled right with this guy. He's not a Brown. At least we found out in two years and not three. McCown and Goff wouldn't be the worst thing for an offensive minded coach to start with next year.
Z
Z, it's not the on field stuff- it's the off field stuff that bought him his ticket out of town. He knows what he has to do, and can't do it- or just plain doesn't care.
VesnaKociper said:
The real sin here, is that any of you ever accepted this piece of shit once his colors were exposed. There was simply no reason for him to have ever finished his rookie year as a Brown. How could anyone not know this guy hated Cleveland?
Seriously, would you want to play in Cleveland? You would have to be nuts.
The reality Tom is in the history of the NFL a first round pick has never been cut after one season. I don't think he hated Cleveland- it's just that he likes partying and drinking more. Assuming Tony Grossi is right- and I have no reason to believe he'd make up an accusation like that if he wasn't sure it was correct- Manziel showed up for work drunk on Wednesday. Most corporations would have fired him on the spot for something like that. The only reason they didn't cut him is the (faint) hope they can sucker a seventh round pick out of Dallas for the guy.
Z, it's not the on field stuff- it's the off field stuff that bought him his ticket out of town. He knows what he has to do, and can't do it- or just plain doesn't care.
Well, I called him out on both didn't I?
Early and often.
Josh McCown ... that's a Cleveland Brown. Hope the new coach keeps him.
Zombo
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It is understood that JM is with Bowe in Vegas letting their money "ride" at a table and from reports the table is "hot" and they never want to leave a hot table
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VesnaKociper said:
The real sin here, is that any of you ever accepted this piece of shit once his colors were exposed. There was simply no reason for him to have ever finished his rookie year as a Brown. How could anyone not know this guy hated Cleveland?
Seriously, would you want to play in Cleveland? You would have to be nuts.
Then why send a text to the Browns org saying "pick me pick me!"
that's an easy one....he was falling out of the first round and needed a desperate team to pull the trigger.Then why send a text to the Browns org saying "pick me pick me!"
I have believed from day one he was a con man. I actually think he's so good at manipulating that he doesn't even know he's doing it himself.
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why was he even drafted? thats the one I don't get.VesnaKociper said:
The real sin here, is that any of you ever accepted this piece of shit once his colors were exposed. There was simply no reason for him to have ever finished his rookie year as a Brown. How could anyone not know this guy hated Cleveland?
Seriously, would you want to play in Cleveland? You would have to be nuts.
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Not sure what I bet at the casino today, but I went in with $140 and left with $125. But e person I was with paid for parking and gas, so i got out ahead, plus got 2 free buffet
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why was he even drafted? thats the one I don't get.VesnaKociper said:
The real sin here, is that any of you ever accepted this piece of shit once his colors were exposed. There was simply no reason for him to have ever finished his rookie year as a Brown. How could anyone not know this guy hated Cleveland?
Seriously, would you want to play in Cleveland? You would have to be nuts.
why was he even drafted? thats the one I don't get.
FARMER SUCKED
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I don't know why anyone would want to keep Johnny three fingers. Just take the cap hit and move on no reason to keep a cancer on the team. Unless we're going to start him and see if we can be the first team to have a player get killed on the field. Then I'm all for it
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I don't like Pettine but there isn't a viable replacement. Fire Farmer (Obviously)
Make Haslam sign a contract that he won't intervene.
That's the best I can come up with.
Anyone else got a better idea?
I don't like Pettine but there isn't a viable replacement. Fire Farmer (Obviously)
Make Haslam sign a contract that he won't intervene.
That's the best I can come up with.
Anyone else got a better idea?
Oh you wanted to keep Pettine at 5pm? Hows all those months whining about Pettine seem to you now? You see what this clown show is now? We get talk about Sashi Brown. You cant' make this shit up anymore. Congrats, you got what you wanted all season long. Now it's gonna get fun.
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Sashi mother fucking Brown. Outstanding.
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They both had to go and even though their fate, positive or negative, was always going to be sealed together, they refused to work collaboratively. Also, either Haslam refuses to work with advisors or he's is not taking their advice or he needs to fire them for bad advice. He's already screwed up the turnaround with his first decision (sashi brown)
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Thanks mudfly. I never would've guessed he showed up to work drunk. Just amazing and sad and depressing. Looks like the Browns will get another 1st round qb in a few months. I hope he turns out to be the badass I thought Johnny was gonna be.
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Report: Browns' Manziel skipped meeting Sunday morning
Jan 3 2016, 8:44 PMJoe Thomson
The Cleveland Browns tumultuous relationship with quarterback Johnny Manziel may soon come to an end.
Manziel did not show up for a scheduled meeting with the team doctor Sunday morning and was unreachable by phone, according to Peter King of Sports Illustrated.
This comes one day after Manziel, who is currently under the league's concussion protocol, was reportedly spotted gambling in Las Vegas. Manziel's agents withheld comment about his whereabouts since Saturday, according to Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports.
At this point, it seems likely the team will move on from Manziel, and speculation has it that the former Heisman Trophy winner wants to go to the Dallas Cowboys.
Neither former head coach Mike Pettine nor owner Jimmy Haslam could say if Manziel was in Las Vegas over the weekend, though Haslam confirmed that he missed his concussion treatment.
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I read the thread and skimmed the links, but apparently missed any reports as to why he wasn't on the sideline today.
That's just something you do right? Whether pro sports or youth girls fastpitch, unless you're hospitalized, you are on the sideline showing you care.
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Z, it's not the on field stuff- it's the off field stuff that bought him his ticket out of town. He knows what he has to do, and can't do it- or just plain doesn't care.
Well, I called him out on both didn't I?
Early and often.
Josh McCown ... that's a Cleveland Brown. Hope the new coach keeps him.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Josh McCown ... that's a Cleveland Brown. Hope the new coach keeps him.
Zombo
I do too Z- he's a quality backup. Not a starter though.
I read the thread and skimmed the links, but apparently missed any reports as to why he wasn't on the sideline today.
That's just something you do right? Whether pro sports or youth girls fastpitch, unless you're hospitalized, you are on the sideline showing you care.
Johnny don't care- that should be obvious by now.
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Zombo said:
Two more years.
Let him rot.
Zombo
The only problem with that Z (and to others espousing that scenario) it's as big a waste of a roster spot as Dwayne Bowe was this year. He's probably not even going to last a couple years without landing in the league substance abuse program. Amazing he hasn't already landed in it.
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One Post From the Truth said:
If its any help at all...
I've had my team leave. I've went thru many down seasons as well. I've had my team start 4-0 and spiral down. I've been pissed and denounced them. Yes it's taken almost two hundred post for me to give in an admit I'm a Cards fan.
Yes the Cards are good right now, but this is the Browns board and Ive really liked the Browns since I was a kid but I follow the Browns ; not a fanatic.
I feel your pain.
I will continue to follow the Browns. I work for Pilot. It seems fitting for me to know and respect them. You're one of the best fans I've seen. I read your posts and am telling you to never give up. Some say it's only a game but for us my brother you must believe its going to happen someday.
If the Cards can do it you can too.
I really appreciate that.....truly.....thanks!
But...like a few others here....Ive been in the game a long long time now.....(40+ years)...seen it all(or so I thought)....
Our family had season seats, starting in 1970....and I attended EVERY.....SINGLE.....GAME.....from 1970 till 1991.....so, thats every game for 21 freaking years......bought, paid for and attended...by moi and pa......plus another 25 years of support since.....
Ive endured Warfield for Phipps....coke head Charles White.....Mad man in a meat market Mike Junkin....got frost bite watching red right 88.....watched us pick Willis Adams, Ron Brown, Steve Holden and Cleveland Crosby(all busts most dont even remember)......I watched Don Rogers die and Eric Turner walk away..... i cried after the Drive....i cried harder after the Fumble.....I needed meds after the move......I once accepted Jim Pine as a good pick.....I cheered on Tim Couch, Courtney Brown and Trent Richardson......I endured the lying bastard Modell.....live through a dead owners son who didnt even want the team.....and now an owner whose ego wont allow him to make reasonable choices....I endured Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden and, now, possibly one of the worst QB picks ever in Johnny Punkass Football.....along with a newer, longer list of shit picks like Taylor, Gilbert, Powell, Vardell, Langham, Warren, Green, Winslow, Edwards, Richardson, Mingo and Whimbley....
I have "started over" 16 times now......I am human.....I am very very tired.....and free of ANY hope or faith that Haslem will get it right.....
I think they've finally broken me and my spirit....god have I invested a lot of my life in these fuckers!!.....how many hours?.....how many dollars?.......what a fool.....
but I DO appreciate your attempt at raising my spirits..........thanks for that.
Jimmy Haslem.....if you are reading this???....from a solid SOLID 40 year fan.....FUCK YOU MAN!
I just wanna do a virtual fistbump here, and totally deny any welling up in the eyes. I'll read the rest of the thread now...I really appreciate that.....truly.....thanks!
But...like a few others here....Ive been in the game a long long time now.....(40+ years)...seen it all(or so I thought)....
Our family had season seats, starting in 1970....and I attended EVERY.....SINGLE.....GAME.....from 1970 till 1991.....so, thats every game for 21 freaking years......bought, paid for and attended...by moi and pa......plus another 25 years of support since.....
Ive endured Warfield for Phipps....coke head Charles White.....Mad man in a meat market Mike Junkin....got frost bite watching red right 88.....watched us pick Willis Adams, Ron Brown, Steve Holden and Cleveland Crosby(all busts most dont even remember)......I watched Don Rogers die and Eric Turner walk away..... i cried after the Drive....i cried harder after the Fumble.....I needed meds after the move......I once accepted Jim Pine as a good pick.....I cheered on Tim Couch, Courtney Brown and Trent Richardson......I endured the lying bastard Modell.....live through a dead owners son who didnt even want the team.....and now an owner whose ego wont allow him to make reasonable choices....I endured Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden and, now, possibly one of the worst QB picks ever in Johnny Punkass Football.....along with a newer, longer list of shit picks like Taylor, Gilbert, Powell, Vardell, Langham, Warren, Green, Winslow, Edwards, Richardson, Mingo and Whimbley....
I have "started over" 16 times now......I am human.....I am very very tired.....and free of ANY hope or faith that Haslem will get it right.....
I think they've finally broken me and my spirit....god have I invested a lot of my life in these fuckers!!.....how many hours?.....how many dollars?.......what a fool.....
but I DO appreciate your attempt at raising my spirits..........thanks for that.
Jimmy Haslem.....if you are reading this???....from a solid SOLID 40 year fan.....FUCK YOU MAN!
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I read the thread and skimmed the links, but apparently missed any reports as to why he wasn't on the sideline today.
That's just something you do right? Whether pro sports or youth girls fastpitch, unless you're hospitalized, you are on the sideline showing you care.
I read the thread and skimmed the links, but apparently missed any reports as to why he wasn't on the sideline today.
That's just something you do right? Whether pro sports or youth girls fastpitch, unless you're hospitalized, you are on the sideline showing you care.
I believe the Browns stated if you are in the concussion protocol you are not allowed on the side lines during the game. So his absence is neither caring or uncaring. If he was in Vegas then he is done.
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Zombo said:
Josh McCown ... that's a Cleveland Brown. Hope the new coach keeps him.
Zombo
I do too Z- he's a quality backup. Not a starter though.
I read the thread and skimmed the links, but apparently missed any reports as to why he wasn't on the sideline today.
That's just something you do right? Whether pro sports or youth girls fastpitch, unless you're hospitalized, you are on the sideline showing you care.
Johnny don't care- that should be obvious by now.
Correct... not allowed on the sideline, but was expected in Berea for treatment and apparently no-showed.
But we haven't heard his side yet...
Y'all certainly are quick to pass judgement.
Need some level heads around here...
Like Stockboy...
... and MH...
... and DHBF...
I do too Z- he's a quality backup. Not a starter though.
McC'll do until our new rookie is up to speed...
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