The browns are the most attractive place for a HC 2016
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. For the most part, we all wanted Pettine and Farmer fired, didn't we? Well....there it is. We have that. It's now up to Haslam to proceed from here and produce a product worth supporting. I'm hopeful, but my loser mentality, forged over the last 20 years is difficult to ignore.
No WE all didn't. I would've liked to see Farmer replaced but I wanted to keep Pettine and make some defensive coaching changes. If we suck again next year, then you get rid of everyone, except the new GM, and you let him pick his next head coach. If for nothing else, its the perception that no matter what, you have 2 years or less to turn shit into champagne. No coach with any other options is going to take that. Y'all hated Pettine and wanted him fired after about week 3 of this season. Can't wait to see how long the next guy gets who has no HC experience and y'all are bitching about him just as much.
Same shit....different day...
No WE all didn't. I would've liked to see Farmer replaced but I wanted to keep Pettine and make some defensive coaching changes. If we suck again next year, then you get rid of everyone, except the new GM, and you let him pick his next head coach. If for nothing else, its the perception that no matter what, you have 2 years or less to turn shit into champagne. No coach with any other options is going to take that. Y'all hated Pettine and wanted him fired after about week 3 of this season. Can't wait to see how long the next guy gets who has no HC experience and y'all are bitching about him just as much.
Same shit....different day...
Read it again...I said "FOR THE MOST PART'...meaning most people on this board. Sorry they didn't keep Pettine. Nice guy...way too nice to be a HC. This stupid logic of continuity....stability...consisency is ridiculous. How many other teams in the NFL will go through more than one losing season without considering firing the coach? Hell....a couple years ago Tomlin was on the proverbial hot seat. It would be idiotic to keep regressing for the sake of consistency. I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't hate Pettine and with 2 or 3 more wins, there could have been an argument not to fire him. But...he clearly was over his head and there was nothing in sight to think he might recover.
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No WE all didn't. I would've liked to see Farmer replaced but I wanted to keep Pettine and make some defensive coaching changes. If we suck again next year, then you get rid of everyone, except the new GM, and you let him pick his next head coach. If for nothing else, its the perception that no matter what, you have 2 years or less to turn shit into champagne. No coach with any other options is going to take that. Y'all hated Pettine and wanted him fired after about week 3 of this season. Can't wait to see how long the next guy gets who has no HC experience and y'all are bitching about him just as much.
Same shit....different day...
Read it again...I said "FOR THE MOST PART'...meaning most people on this board. Sorry they didn't keep Pettine. Nice guy...way too nice to be a HC. This stupid logic of continuity....stability...consisency is ridiculous. How many other teams in the NFL will go through more than one losing season without considering firing the coach? Hell....a couple years ago Tomlin was on the proverbial hot seat. It would be idiotic to keep regressing for the sake of consistency. I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't hate Pettine and with 2 or 3 more wins, there could have been an argument not to fire him. But...he clearly was over his head and there was nothing in sight to think he might recover.
Read it again...I said "FOR THE MOST PART'...meaning most people on this board. Sorry they didn't keep Pettine. Nice guy...way too nice to be a HC. This stupid logic of continuity....stability...consisency is ridiculous. How many other teams in the NFL will go through more than one losing season without considering firing the coach? Hell....a couple years ago Tomlin was on the proverbial hot seat. It would be idiotic to keep regressing for the sake of consistency. I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't hate Pettine and with 2 or 3 more wins, there could have been an argument not to fire him. But...he clearly was over his head and there was nothing in sight to think he might recover.
We don't just consider it...we do it over and over and over again and expect different results. No big name coach or highly coveted coach with other options will take this job. The next guy won't be any better and we're going to be right back here in 2 years. The Bengals talked about firing Lewis quite a few times but didn't do it. The Panthers talked about firiing their coach 2 years ago....but decided to keep him. We would've fired both of those guys years ago.
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Read it again...I said "FOR THE MOST PART'...meaning most people on this board. Sorry they didn't keep Pettine. Nice guy...way too nice to be a HC. This stupid logic of continuity....stability...consisency is ridiculous. How many other teams in the NFL will go through more than one losing season without considering firing the coach? Hell....a couple years ago Tomlin was on the proverbial hot seat. It would be idiotic to keep regressing for the sake of consistency. I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't hate Pettine and with 2 or 3 more wins, there could have been an argument not to fire him. But...he clearly was over his head and there was nothing in sight to think he might recover.
We don't just consider it...we do it over and over and over again and expect different results. No big name coach or highly coveted coach with other options will take this job. The next guy won't be any better and we're going to be right back here in 2 years. The Bengals talked about firing Lewis quite a few times but didn't do it. The Panthers talked about firiing their coach 2 years ago....but decided to keep him. We would've fired both of those guys years ago.
We don't just consider it...we do it over and over and over again and expect different results. No big name coach or highly coveted coach with other options will take this job. The next guy won't be any better and we're going to be right back here in 2 years. The Bengals talked about firing Lewis quite a few times but didn't do it. The Panthers talked about firiing their coach 2 years ago....but decided to keep him. We would've fired both of those guys years ago.
And the sad thing is they are already talking about using the #2 overall for another QB..................as usual.
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We've essentially gone back to having a capologist as head of football operations which was one of the problems we had in attracting good HC candidates during the last two searches. The only difference is that the Browns are hanging the carrot of the coach choosing/recommending his director of player personnel aka 'GM".
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I feel better this year than i did at the beginning of 2015 with farmer in place. and we dont have any body in place lol. Pettine could have stayed around that would have been cool though. Mostly to appease the veterans on the team to be honest. Honestly if pettine would have had this kind of control he probably would have done substantially better.
none of the other HC needy teams are offering more control than the Cleveland Browns are. to me its better logic than GM saying to the coach "your job is to play the talent i give you and win". i prefer the logic of the coach saying to the GM "your job is to get me the talent i need to win" -
Jimmy didn't just blow it up, he nuked it, and it is now the most toxic place in the NFL world.
The worst I've felt about the Browns since 1995.
Jimmy didn't just blow it up, he nuked it, and it is now the most toxic place in the NFL world.
The worst I've felt about the Browns since 1995.
I feel a lot better about the future.....we have gotten rid of bad apples.....and have had a string of bad apples.
I can only see some nice, ripe, red apples on the horizon.
As Haslam said: the important thing is who you have in the job.
We just got rid of two losers. So now are chances are fair that we will bring in some winners. And that is what counts....not how things are structured but how the people in those jobs perform.
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I feel better this year than i did at the beginning of 2015 with farmer in place. and we dont have any body in place lol. Pettine could have stayed around that would have been cool though. Mostly to appease the veterans on the team to be honest. Honestly if pettine would have had this kind of control he probably would have done substantially better.
none of the other HC needy teams are offering more control than the Cleveland Browns are. to me its better logic than GM saying to the coach "your job is to play the talent i give you and win". i prefer the logic of the coach saying to the GM "your job is to get me the talent i need to win"I feel better this year than i did at the beginning of 2015 with farmer in place. and we dont have any body in place lol. Pettine could have stayed around that would have been cool though. Mostly to appease the veterans on the team to be honest. Honestly if pettine would have had this kind of control he probably would have done substantially better.
none of the other HC needy teams are offering more control than the Cleveland Browns are. to me its better logic than GM saying to the coach "your job is to play the talent i give you and win". i prefer the logic of the coach saying to the GM "your job is to get me the talent i need to win"
First, please pass whatever you are smoking, drinking, inhaling, injecting and ingesting.
Second, it was Farmer's job to do exactly what you say is the GM's job. The problem clearly was Jimmah was unwilling to step into the middle of them... just as his org chart was set up for him to do. Even to the end he avoided the middle by firing them both.
Jimmah's solution with which you are so pleased... install a football neophyte kinda, but not really, in the middle, in his place.
This organization fix is half-baked at best...
Which brings us back to whatever you are smoking....
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tour have you ever considered rooting for dallas? they have an owner who likes to step in between the gm and coach i think you might like. For all intents and purposes jimmy hired a professional mediator to make sure the bullshit dick measuring between farmer and pet would not happen again.
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USA Today ranks us last for desirable HC NFL jobs.
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tour have you ever considered rooting for dallas? they have an owner who likes to step in between the gm and coach i think you might like. For all intents and purposes jimmy hired a professional mediator to make sure the bullshit dick measuring between farmer and pet would not happen again.
tour have you ever considered rooting for dallas? they have an owner who likes to step in between the gm and coach i think you might like. For all intents and purposes jimmy hired a professional mediator to make sure the bullshit dick measuring between farmer and pet would not happen again.
As a Browns fan born and bred I fuckin' hate Dallas...
Besides in Dallas the owner is the fuckin' GM, so not a very good example... agree?
Yup... Jerrah hired a mediator and then put him in a terrible position to do his job. It's obvious to anyone with an understanding of organizational dynamics.
And the only reason the "dick measuring" occurred was that Jimmah did not fill the role he created when he set the original org chart... and reinforced it at the early 2015 retreat.
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it is a very narrow minded look to at only sushi and haslem and say the franchise is doomed. Haslem as impulsive is a little harsh Shurmur wasn't his guy. banner and lombardi he got stuck with for 2012-2013 and finally he got his guys in pettine and farmer and they start good then they have so much in fighting it fall apart and the team suffers because of it.
so to recap firing shurmur was easy because he was a coward HC then they got chud and i thought he was okay over his head but okay. got rid of banner and lombardi so chud followed may aswell go all new in that case anyway. so he was forced to remove farmer and pettine. I dont see this as impulsive i see this as driven -
Very Narrow minded? Moi?
In an org that is as flat as the Browns org is... where else is there to look? Make no mistake the two top players are in place.
I gave Jimmah every benefit of the doubt when he reorganized, hire plausible people and reinforced their roles in the retreat. I believed that a business as successful as he is had enough knowledge of organizational dynamics for his chosen organization to function...
... but he did not put in the work to ensure that it did.
And now, as I see it, he has tinkered with the organization just enough to set it, and Sashimi, up to fail.
I hope I am wrong... but 30 years of business experience with the last third in a related, very applicable field, don't say that I am...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
USA Today ranks us last for desirable HC NFL jobs.
USA Today ranks us last for desirable HC NFL jobs.
So what? Who cares what they think? It only matters that we get a guy in here that can actually do the job.
Teams that supposedly land the big fish often fall flat on their faces.
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Very Narrow minded? Moi?
In an org that is as flat as the Browns org is... where else is there to look? Make no mistake the two top players are in place.
I gave Jimmah every benefit of the doubt when he reorganized, hire plausible people and reinforced their roles in the retreat. I believed that a business as successful as he is had enough knowledge of organizational dynamics for his chosen organization to function...
... but he did not put in the work to ensure that it did.
And now, as I see it, he has tinkered with the organization just enough to set it, and Sashimi, up to fail.
I hope I am wrong... but 30 years of business experience with the last third in a related, very applicable field, don't say that I am...
Very Narrow minded? Moi?
In an org that is as flat as the Browns org is... where else is there to look? Make no mistake the two top players are in place.
I gave Jimmah every benefit of the doubt when he reorganized, hire plausible people and reinforced their roles in the retreat. I believed that a business as successful as he is had enough knowledge of organizational dynamics for his chosen organization to function...
... but he did not put in the work to ensure that it did.
And now, as I see it, he has tinkered with the organization just enough to set it, and Sashimi, up to fail.
I hope I am wrong... but 30 years of business experience with the last third in a related, very applicable field, don't say that I am...
I don't buy that whatever experience you have in the business world can in any way be related to running a professional football team....unless you run an NBA/MLB/NHL team.
Even if you were the AD at a major university it would not be the same.
So....all you dipshits that say you know better than Haslam or that you KNOW that the way he has decided to organize is doomed to failure....Shut the fuck up.
You know nothing John Snow.
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We have the GM. His nme is Sashi BrownAs a Browniac fan I got to keep faith this will work somehow. The strongest point is we got to get right is GM jr. & HC with strong football background to basically rebuild. Jimmy has it right when he said you can build from the draft but he's wrong if you don't sprinkle in some FA's. When our scouting dept. has been the issue since rebuild, I agree we must get a strong guy to strictly get it fixed as his only duty. The HC & Sashi must connect to make this right & as you say it should give the HC power with football background but Sashi is the fall guy. It could be a perfect HC setup but please no Kelly personality with players. At #2 Bosa over Goff for a 2016 impact player now then at #32 a Kevin Hogan or Wentz we can build with McCown leadership. We our back to the point of rebuilding around any QB before we put one in place due to OL & WR's (Gordon I Doubt).. Holding faith for now, 2 big puzzle pieces missing. Go Browns!!
We have the GM. His nme is Sashi Brown
the world knows Yoshi Brown is the GM. GM jr./scoutmaster & HC as quoted our the 2 big puzzle pieces. Hope the video game reference helps
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Pettine and Farmer were both set up to fail. Haslam interfered with the draft, hired Pettine before promoting Farmer, the two didn't get along and now they're victims of the "black hole" vortex Haslam created in the first place.
Maybe this lawyer, Sashi Brown, can be the balance between Haslam and Coaches. I'm getting the sense that Haslam needs a fall guy while he meddles ala Jerry Jones.
This owner needs to stay the hell away and let football men do their jobs! I have a feeling the whole "text-gate" and Kyle Shanahan exit was a direct result of Haslam somehow. Haslam is his own worst enemy. He puts up this huge facade of listening to the "experts" then goes and drafts Manziel anyway. To think all this time I hated Farmer for this. But Farmer and Pettine are not totally blameless. All Farmer had to do was take charge, pull the trigger on Derek Carr and say screw you Haslam. That's what GMs are hired to do. I find it amazing that Farmer and Pettine attended no Pro days or combines. That tells me they already knew who Haslam wanted.
Bottom Line; The next head coach must be prepared to deal with Haslam. Bill Parcells wouldn't have taken the word of a "homeless guy"
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why would any potential coach see Jimmy's quick-firing tendencies as a bad thing? sign a 5 year contract, work two years, get paid for five years of work. If someone isn't enticed by the prospect of three years free salary, then maybe they don't have the brain power to be a head coach to begin with.
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Very Narrow minded? Moi?
In an org that is as flat as the Browns org is... where else is there to look? Make no mistake the two top players are in place.
I gave Jimmah every benefit of the doubt when he reorganized, hire plausible people and reinforced their roles in the retreat. I believed that a business as successful as he is had enough knowledge of organizational dynamics for his chosen organization to function...
... but he did not put in the work to ensure that it did.
And now, as I see it, he has tinkered with the organization just enough to set it, and Sashimi, up to fail.
I hope I am wrong... but 30 years of business experience with the last third in a related, very applicable field, don't say that I am...
I don't buy that whatever experience you have in the business world can in any way be related to running a professional football team....unless you run an NBA/MLB/NHL team.
Even if you were the AD at a major university it would not be the same.
So....all you dipshits that say you know better than Haslam or that you KNOW that the way he has decided to organize is doomed to failure....Shut the fuck up.
You know nothing John Snow.
So....all you dipshits that say you know better than Haslam or that you KNOW that the way he has decided to organize is doomed to failure....Shut the fuck up.
You know nothing John Snow.
wow, you ARE a dick.
how many trivia threads will this garner you?
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