Here's the Problem
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We probably had the right people 2 or 3 times but we fired them 2 years into a 3 to 5 year plan.I agree with Haslam on the bit it's not so much about a certain structure but it's about having the right people for the job.
However, getting the right people is a bit of a problem for us
We probably had the right people 2 or 3 times but we fired them 2 years into a 3 to 5 year plan.
Agree there. Starting with the GM that was here when Jimmah took over. Heckert Pettine Horton Turner Chud all could have won but were cut off at the knees. Happy to see Jimmahs wife is now part of the think tank and they have a kiddy lawyer to make the picks. Things are trending in the right direction.
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We probably had the right people 2 or 3 times but we fired them 2 years into a 3 to 5 year plan.
Agree there. Starting with the GM that was here when Jimmah took over. Heckert Pettine Horton Turner Chud all could have won but were cut off at the knees. Happy to see Jimmahs wife is now part of the think tank and they have a kiddy lawyer to make the picks. Things are trending in the right direction.
Agree there. Starting with the GM that was here when Jimmah took over. Heckert Pettine Horton Turner Chud all could have won but were cut off at the knees. Happy to see Jimmahs wife is now part of the think tank and they have a kiddy lawyer to make the picks. Things are trending in the right direction.
The think tank. Hmmmmmmmm I bet there's a better name for it.
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You nailed it! Most GMs want to hire their own people. FanSided ran an article last week that assured us Haslam would hire a GM first.
So I got to thinking; sure hope it's not Chip Kelly who was both. I don't think Chip is the answer unless you trust one guy to do it all. And he failed.
You nailed it! Most GMs want to hire their own people. FanSided ran an article last week that assured us Haslam would hire a GM first.
So I got to thinking; sure hope it's not Chip Kelly who was both. I don't think Chip is the answer unless you trust one guy to do it all. And he failed.
He failed? He was given one year as HC and GM. All those players he released that everyone complained about .. 1 is doing well and that's desean. Everyone else isn't doing shit
If chip can fix his people skills I'm all in on him
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I will say, this structure set-up would lend itself into something old Chip Kelly would want. I'm far from crazy of the idea but he could slide into the HC and "GM" role again with Sashi calling the main shots in whatever the hell his title is. That would certainly be appealing to him I'm sure.
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On the flip side any potential coach can nominate his "GM" which makes the job more attractive. The GM can be technically overruled by Sashi but unlikely since Sashi's not a football guy. In other words the Dwayne Bowe situation would be less likely to repeat itself.
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Coach before gm just wont work any TOP gm would want there choice of coach not to mention would want control of roster!
Hiring a cap guy as the biggest voice in your organization is COMICAL!
ALSO found haslem comment some coaches will be kept STRANGE what decent coach will come here without being able to name his own staff?
Sadly i think this will turn out even worse thn the last gm head coach search!!
Coach before gm just wont work any TOP gm would want there choice of coach not to mention would want control of roster!
Hiring a cap guy as the biggest voice in your organization is COMICAL!
ALSO found haslem comment some coaches will be kept STRANGE what decent coach will come here without being able to name his own staff?
Sadly i think this will turn out even worse thn the last gm head coach search!!
Here is the problem all of you naysayers don't get:
We are NOT hiring a "GM"....not in the traditional term. We are hiring a director of player personnel...who will really be a subordinate to the HC.
So? You don't think this works? Well.....this same setup has worked to the tune of 6 Super Bowl appearances and 4 wins in New England. There, the "GM/DOPP" has been a subordinate of Bill Belichick's pretty much all along.
So, you don't like the setup. Tell the Pats it don't work.
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We probably had the right people 2 or 3 times but we fired them 2 years into a 3 to 5 year plan.
because this franchise, moreover the owner(s), have no foresight past 1 or 2 years and instead of trusting the people they hired, they let the grumblings of a fanbase dictate their decision making.
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I agree with Haslam on the bit it's not so much about a certain structure but it's about having the right people for the job.
However, getting the right people is a bit of a problem for us
I agree with Haslam on the bit it's not so much about a certain structure but it's about having the right people for the job.
However, getting the right people is a bit of a problem for us
And the structure does impact the attractiveness of the position.
For those that think the structure actually makes the HC position appear to be more attractive...
The problem is that Sashimi clearly has the Big Boss' ear. That plus the fact that the Scoutmaster will report to him will far outweigh the apparent perk of an HC getting to pick his talent supplier in the long run.
Having a skilled facilitator in the mix is a great idea, but one of the keys to successful facilitation is unquestioned impartiality... and having a direct report on one side of the table poisons that well.
I honestly would have auditioned Susudio in his new role for a season with Pet and Farmer, but with both of them continuing to report to Jimmah...
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"Having final say" isn't "being a GM", just for the record. This front office structure is not new to us, it's what we ran with Heckert and Banner.
The scouting, pounding the pavement, conducting meetings with prospects, watching game tape, assembling a team - all of that is still likely going to be handled by the GM. Sashi is just, for all intents and purposes, a physical embodiment of a system of checks and balances. He will assemble the information from his GM, look at the stats, and figure out the best scenario for the team, in theory.
This will hurt the attractiveness of the position, for sure. No established GM would come here without absolute power. So I don't expect us to get an established GM. Further, it hurts our searching in the way that teams can now block us from interviewing candidates.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see us promote Morocco Brown to GM. Brown is the other half of the coin. Sashi is the former lawyer, analytic driven right brain - Morocco is the former player, talent evaluating left brain. Morocco was the assistant director of pro personnel in Chicago from 2001-2007, then the director of pro personnel in Washington from 2008-2013. IMO, this would likely be the best direction for the franchise. They have a rapport, they've worked together, and it still promotes some stability. With Morocco taking over, I think we'd see less of a roster overhaul.
Also, that would make the two guys in charge "Brown"s.
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"Having final say" isn't "being a GM", just for the record. This front office structure is not new to us, it's what we ran with Heckert and Banner.
The scouting, pounding the pavement, conducting meetings with prospects, watching game tape, assembling a team - all of that is still likely going to be handled by the GM. Sashi is just, for all intents and purposes, a physical embodiment of a system of checks and balances. He will assemble the information from his GM, look at the stats, and figure out the best scenario for the team, in theory.
This will hurt the attractiveness of the position, for sure. No established GM would come here without absolute power. So I don't expect us to get an established GM. Further, it hurts our searching in the way that teams can now block us from interviewing candidates.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see us promote Morocco Brown to GM. Brown is the other half of the coin. Sashi is the former lawyer, analytic driven right brain - Morocco is the former player, talent evaluating left brain. Morocco was the assistant director of pro personnel in Chicago from 2001-2007, then the director of pro personnel in Washington from 2008-2013. IMO, this would likely be the best direction for the franchise. They have a rapport, they've worked together, and it still promotes some stability. With Morocco taking over, I think we'd see less of a roster overhaul.
Also, that would make the two guys in charge "Brown"s.
Also, that would make the two guys in charge "Brown"s.
The plan emerges...
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"Having final say" isn't "being a GM", just for the record. This front office structure is not new to us, it's what we ran with Heckert and Banner.
The scouting, pounding the pavement, conducting meetings with prospects, watching game tape, assembling a team - all of that is still likely going to be handled by the GM. Sashi is just, for all intents and purposes, a physical embodiment of a system of checks and balances. He will assemble the information from his GM, look at the stats, and figure out the best scenario for the team, in theory.
This will hurt the attractiveness of the position, for sure. No established GM would come here without absolute power. So I don't expect us to get an established GM. Further, it hurts our searching in the way that teams can now block us from interviewing candidates.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see us promote Morocco Brown to GM. Brown is the other half of the coin. Sashi is the former lawyer, analytic driven right brain - Morocco is the former player, talent evaluating left brain. Morocco was the assistant director of pro personnel in Chicago from 2001-2007, then the director of pro personnel in Washington from 2008-2013. IMO, this would likely be the best direction for the franchise. They have a rapport, they've worked together, and it still promotes some stability. With Morocco taking over, I think we'd see less of a roster overhaul.
Also, that would make the two guys in charge "Brown"s.
"Having final say" isn't "being a GM", just for the record. This front office structure is not new to us, it's what we ran with Heckert and Banner.
The scouting, pounding the pavement, conducting meetings with prospects, watching game tape, assembling a team - all of that is still likely going to be handled by the GM. Sashi is just, for all intents and purposes, a physical embodiment of a system of checks and balances. He will assemble the information from his GM, look at the stats, and figure out the best scenario for the team, in theory.
This will hurt the attractiveness of the position, for sure. No established GM would come here without absolute power. So I don't expect us to get an established GM. Further, it hurts our searching in the way that teams can now block us from interviewing candidates.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see us promote Morocco Brown to GM. Brown is the other half of the coin. Sashi is the former lawyer, analytic driven right brain - Morocco is the former player, talent evaluating left brain. Morocco was the assistant director of pro personnel in Chicago from 2001-2007, then the director of pro personnel in Washington from 2008-2013. IMO, this would likely be the best direction for the franchise. They have a rapport, they've worked together, and it still promotes some stability. With Morocco taking over, I think we'd see less of a roster overhaul.
Also, that would make the two guys in charge "Brown"s.
Interesting point.....and plausible about Morocco Brown.
Could by quite a dynamic duo: Paul Brown, Jim Brown, Sashi Brown, Morroco Brown.
Now....we just need to find a qualified HC candidate named Brown.
Gary Brown?....former Browns...now Cowboys RB coach?
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But then....what about Kuharich..........could he be in line for the DOPP?
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Browns have fired player-personnel executives Morocco Brown and Billy Kuharich per sources
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lol... timing was impeccable...
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Browns have fired player-personnel executives Morocco Brown and Billy Kuharich per sources
OK, I guess they don't want anyone associated with the old regime.
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Tabor has survived a couple of these FO "purges".OK, I guess they don't want anyone associated with the old regime.
However, as bad as the special teams were this year it wouldn't surprise me if he was fired.
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Tabor has survived a couple of these FO "purges".OK, I guess they don't want anyone associated with the old regime.
However, as bad as the special teams were this year it wouldn't surprise me if he was fired.
Tabor has survived a couple of these FO "purges".
Hey, You know......I just realized that Tabor could be the missing link.....the one common thread from coach to coach to coach.....
And, think about it.....every time the kicking or punting team has the ball, they turn it over....every freakin time....
I say..... FIRE HIS ASS NOW!
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Tabor has survived a couple of these FO "purges".
Hey, You know......I just realized that Tabor could be the missing link.....the one common thread from coach to coach to coach.....
And, think about it.....every time the kicking or punting team has the ball, they turn it over....every freakin time....
I say..... FIRE HIS ASS NOW!
Yep, this was the first season I was really wishing we still had Brad Sealy as ST coach.Hey, You know......I just realized that Tabor could be the missing link.....the one common thread from coach to coach to coach.....
And, think about it.....every time the kicking or punting team has the ball, they turn it over....every freakin time....
I say..... FIRE HIS ASS NOW!
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