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  • I agree with Haslam on the bit it's not so much about a certain structure but it's about having the right people for the job.

    However, getting the right people is a bit of a problem for us

    @bbedward said:

    I agree with Haslam on the bit it's not so much about a certain structure but it's about having the right people for the job.

    However, getting the right people is a bit of a problem for us

    And the structure does impact the attractiveness of the position.

    For those that think the structure actually makes the HC position appear to be more attractive...

    The problem is that Sashimi clearly has the Big Boss' ear. That plus the fact that the Scoutmaster will report to him will far outweigh the apparent perk of an HC getting to pick his talent supplier in the long run.

    Having a skilled facilitator in the mix is a great idea, but one of the keys to successful facilitation is unquestioned impartiality... and having a direct report on one side of the table poisons that well.

    I honestly would have auditioned Susudio in his new role for a season with Pet and Farmer, but with both of them continuing to report to Jimmah...

  • "Having final say" isn't "being a GM", just for the record. This front office structure is not new to us, it's what we ran with Heckert and Banner.

    The scouting, pounding the pavement, conducting meetings with prospects, watching game tape, assembling a team - all of that is still likely going to be handled by the GM. Sashi is just, for all intents and purposes, a physical embodiment of a system of checks and balances. He will assemble the information from his GM, look at the stats, and figure out the best scenario for the team, in theory.

    This will hurt the attractiveness of the position, for sure. No established GM would come here without absolute power. So I don't expect us to get an established GM. Further, it hurts our searching in the way that teams can now block us from interviewing candidates.

    To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see us promote Morocco Brown to GM. Brown is the other half of the coin. Sashi is the former lawyer, analytic driven right brain - Morocco is the former player, talent evaluating left brain. Morocco was the assistant director of pro personnel in Chicago from 2001-2007, then the director of pro personnel in Washington from 2008-2013. IMO, this would likely be the best direction for the franchise. They have a rapport, they've worked together, and it still promotes some stability. With Morocco taking over, I think we'd see less of a roster overhaul.

    Also, that would make the two guys in charge "Brown"s.

  • "Having final say" isn't "being a GM", just for the record. This front office structure is not new to us, it's what we ran with Heckert and Banner.

    The scouting, pounding the pavement, conducting meetings with prospects, watching game tape, assembling a team - all of that is still likely going to be handled by the GM. Sashi is just, for all intents and purposes, a physical embodiment of a system of checks and balances. He will assemble the information from his GM, look at the stats, and figure out the best scenario for the team, in theory.

    This will hurt the attractiveness of the position, for sure. No established GM would come here without absolute power. So I don't expect us to get an established GM. Further, it hurts our searching in the way that teams can now block us from interviewing candidates.

    To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see us promote Morocco Brown to GM. Brown is the other half of the coin. Sashi is the former lawyer, analytic driven right brain - Morocco is the former player, talent evaluating left brain. Morocco was the assistant director of pro personnel in Chicago from 2001-2007, then the director of pro personnel in Washington from 2008-2013. IMO, this would likely be the best direction for the franchise. They have a rapport, they've worked together, and it still promotes some stability. With Morocco taking over, I think we'd see less of a roster overhaul.

    Also, that would make the two guys in charge "Brown"s.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Also, that would make the two guys in charge "Brown"s.

    The plan emerges...

  • "Having final say" isn't "being a GM", just for the record. This front office structure is not new to us, it's what we ran with Heckert and Banner.

    The scouting, pounding the pavement, conducting meetings with prospects, watching game tape, assembling a team - all of that is still likely going to be handled by the GM. Sashi is just, for all intents and purposes, a physical embodiment of a system of checks and balances. He will assemble the information from his GM, look at the stats, and figure out the best scenario for the team, in theory.

    This will hurt the attractiveness of the position, for sure. No established GM would come here without absolute power. So I don't expect us to get an established GM. Further, it hurts our searching in the way that teams can now block us from interviewing candidates.

    To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see us promote Morocco Brown to GM. Brown is the other half of the coin. Sashi is the former lawyer, analytic driven right brain - Morocco is the former player, talent evaluating left brain. Morocco was the assistant director of pro personnel in Chicago from 2001-2007, then the director of pro personnel in Washington from 2008-2013. IMO, this would likely be the best direction for the franchise. They have a rapport, they've worked together, and it still promotes some stability. With Morocco taking over, I think we'd see less of a roster overhaul.

    Also, that would make the two guys in charge "Brown"s.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    "Having final say" isn't "being a GM", just for the record. This front office structure is not new to us, it's what we ran with Heckert and Banner.

    The scouting, pounding the pavement, conducting meetings with prospects, watching game tape, assembling a team - all of that is still likely going to be handled by the GM. Sashi is just, for all intents and purposes, a physical embodiment of a system of checks and balances. He will assemble the information from his GM, look at the stats, and figure out the best scenario for the team, in theory.

    This will hurt the attractiveness of the position, for sure. No established GM would come here without absolute power. So I don't expect us to get an established GM. Further, it hurts our searching in the way that teams can now block us from interviewing candidates.

    To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see us promote Morocco Brown to GM. Brown is the other half of the coin. Sashi is the former lawyer, analytic driven right brain - Morocco is the former player, talent evaluating left brain. Morocco was the assistant director of pro personnel in Chicago from 2001-2007, then the director of pro personnel in Washington from 2008-2013. IMO, this would likely be the best direction for the franchise. They have a rapport, they've worked together, and it still promotes some stability. With Morocco taking over, I think we'd see less of a roster overhaul.

    Also, that would make the two guys in charge "Brown"s.

    Interesting point.....and plausible about Morocco Brown.

    Could by quite a dynamic duo: Paul Brown, Jim Brown, Sashi Brown, Morroco Brown.

    Now....we just need to find a qualified HC candidate named Brown.

    Gary Brown?....former Browns...now Cowboys RB coach?

    http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/coaches/roster/gary-brown

  • But then....what about Kuharich..........could he be in line for the DOPP?

  • Browns have fired player-personnel executives Morocco Brown and Billy Kuharich per sources

  • lol... timing was impeccable...

  • Browns have fired player-personnel executives Morocco Brown and Billy Kuharich per sources

    @beare said:

    Browns have fired player-personnel executives Morocco Brown and Billy Kuharich per sources

    OK, I guess they don't want anyone associated with the old regime.

  • @beare said:

    Browns have fired player-personnel executives Morocco Brown and Billy Kuharich per sources

    OK, I guess they don't want anyone associated with the old regime.

    @the-gipper said:

    OK, I guess they don't want anyone associated with the old regime.

    Tabor has survived a couple of these FO "purges".

    However, as bad as the special teams were this year it wouldn't surprise me if he was fired.

  • lol... timing was impeccable...

    @tour2ma said:

    lol... timing was impeccable...

    Yeah it was. It's like they're reading this board.

    You won't hire Adam Gase and you won't draft Carson Wentz.

  • Reverse psychology! May have stumbled onto something there...

  • @the-gipper said:

    OK, I guess they don't want anyone associated with the old regime.

    Tabor has survived a couple of these FO "purges".

    However, as bad as the special teams were this year it wouldn't surprise me if he was fired.

    @canton-dawg said:

    Tabor has survived a couple of these FO "purges".

    Hey, You know......I just realized that Tabor could be the missing link.....the one common thread from coach to coach to coach.....

    And, think about it.....every time the kicking or punting team has the ball, they turn it over....every freakin time....

    I say..... FIRE HIS ASS NOW!

  • @canton-dawg said:

    Tabor has survived a couple of these FO "purges".

    Hey, You know......I just realized that Tabor could be the missing link.....the one common thread from coach to coach to coach.....

    And, think about it.....every time the kicking or punting team has the ball, they turn it over....every freakin time....

    I say..... FIRE HIS ASS NOW!

    @mudfly said:

    Hey, You know......I just realized that Tabor could be the missing link.....the one common thread from coach to coach to coach.....

    And, think about it.....every time the kicking or punting team has the ball, they turn it over....every freakin time....

    I say..... FIRE HIS ASS NOW!

    Yep, this was the first season I was really wishing we still had Brad Sealy as ST coach.
  • Browns have fired player-personnel executives Morocco Brown and Billy Kuharich per sources

    @beare said:

    Browns have fired player-personnel executives Morocco Brown and Billy Kuharich per sources

    Great call on the Morocco promotion.
  • @beare said:

    Browns have fired player-personnel executives Morocco Brown and Billy Kuharich per sources

    Great call on the Morocco promotion.

    @furious-styles said:

    Great call on the Morocco promotion.

    LoL. I think thats the same guy that kept insisting JFF will be starter next year and that Austin Davis was the best QB on the roster.

  • @opal312 said:

    You nailed it! Most GMs want to hire their own people. FanSided ran an article last week that assured us Haslam would hire a GM first.

    So I got to thinking; sure hope it's not Chip Kelly who was both. I don't think Chip is the answer unless you trust one guy to do it all. And he failed.

    He failed? He was given one year as HC and GM. All those players he released that everyone complained about .. 1 is doing well and that's desean. Everyone else isn't doing shit

    If chip can fix his people skills I'm all in on him

    @spek216 said:

    He failed? He was given one year as HC and GM. All those players he released that everyone complained about .. 1 is doing well and that's desean. Everyone else isn't doing shit

    If chip can fix his people skills I'm all in on him

    "Everyone else is doing shit"....say what ?

    Jeremy Maclin had a solid season.

    87 receptions

    72 yds per game

    12.5 per recep

    8 tds

    14 receptions of 20 + yds

    Maclins numbers are better than the remaining WR's. Riley Cooper 21 catches 2 TDs ? But Jackson and Maclin had to go ?

    You don't think Chip Kelly could have used that type of production ?

  • @manzier said:

    Agree there. Starting with the GM that was here when Jimmah took over. Heckert Pettine Horton Turner Chud all could have won but were cut off at the knees. Happy to see Jimmahs wife is now part of the think tank and they have a kiddy lawyer to make the picks. Things are trending in the right direction.

    The think tank. Hmmmmmmmm I bet there's a better name for it.

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    The think tank. Hmmmmmmmm I bet there's a better name for it.

    I'm sure that was a typo-he meant Pink Tank. 😛

  • @the-gipper said:

    OK, I guess they don't want anyone associated with the old regime.

    Tabor has survived a couple of these FO "purges".

    However, as bad as the special teams were this year it wouldn't surprise me if he was fired.

    @canton-dawg said:

    Tabor has survived a couple of these FO "purges".

    However, as bad as the special teams were this year it wouldn't surprise me if he was fired.

    No Doubt. Simple Minds. Culture Club......all that.

  • @beare said:

    Browns have fired player-personnel executives Morocco Brown and Billy Kuharich per sources

    Great call on the Morocco promotion.

    @furious-styles said:

    Great call on the Morocco promotion.

    We had an idea that lasted about 2 minutes. Many of my ideas have been shut down in less time. Just ask my wife. 😵