Militia takes over wildlife refuge
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On a serious note, do people support their actions? Their cause?
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Actually, as is the case with most protests, I don't give a fuck about their cause at all and think they are attention hog pains in the ass.
Less annoying but just as stupid as the Occupy Wall Street jerk offs that some of you may support.
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Reading up on the Hammonds (ranchers in question) leads be to believe they've been jerked around pretty severely by the Feds. They've conceded and gone to prison, and it seems like there are some mall ninjas and Bundy doofuses desperately seeking attention.
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On a serious note, do people support their actions? Their cause?
The cause might be good but I really don't know enough about it, regardless I don't agree with breaking the law and they should be held accountable for breaking the law. Also looters and arsonists in the Baltimore and Ferguson riots should be held accountable for breaking the law. Furthermore leaders of sanctuary cities that are breaking the law should be held accountable.
One of the problems I see is the hypocrisy going on with selective enforcement of our laws. All laws should be enforced and if they are not good laws work to change them.
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Reason I ask is, we hear a lot about the second amendment, and what it's "really" for - an organised militia with the ability to stand up to an oppressive regime inflicting its will upon the people. I have no doubt that in the minds of the people occupying this bird sanctuary (seriously, btw?) believe that this is exactly what they're doing.
With that in mind, how do you feel about what they're doing, how it relates to the law and specifically the second amendment?
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No kidding. Like the old saying only Nixon could go to China, only Democrat Justice Department's can massacre civilians!
WSS
Haha I don't see this ending in Waco fashion. Janet isn't on the job.
If this "militia" in Oregon does fire upon state or federal officials sent in to remove them peacefully, would that then make it acceptable the government to respond likewise?
If this "militia" in Oregon does fire upon state or federal officials sent in to remove them peacefully, would that then make it acceptable the government to respond likewise?
Well yes, I would say shooting at people is grounds for them to shoot back.
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Well yes, I would say shooting at people is grounds for them to shoot back.
Or holding a toy gun apparently.
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In this country we are told driving a car is a privilege and not a right...so we bend the rules and give illegal immigrants drivers licenses for what? Breaking the law? You would think voting was a right as well but it also is a privilege and not a constitutional right. The second amendment is a constitutional right to every American citizen and that should be kept in mind with every new gun law. It is not just a privilege to have firearms we have that right and it is a constant fight to keep that right. If it were not for the second amendment I have no doubt we would have had gun confiscation like in Australia and being floated today by Hillary Clinton and Obama as a model for this country.
The battle the militia is fighting is what we have court systems for and appeals processes for verdicts we don't agree with and I think they are wrong to think they can achieve by force what they want.
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Well yes, I would say shooting at people is grounds for them to shoot back.
Or holding a toy gun apparently.
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In this country we are told driving a car is a privilege and not a right...so we bend the rules and give illegal immigrants drivers licenses for what? Breaking the law? You would think voting was a right as well but it also is a privilege and not a constitutional right. The second amendment is a constitutional right to every American citizen and that should be kept in mind with every new gun law. It is not just a privilege to have firearms we have that right and it is a constant fight to keep that right. If it were not for the second amendment I have no doubt we would have had gun confiscation like in Australia and being floated today by Hillary Clinton and Obama as a model for this country.
The battle the militia is fighting is what we have court systems for and appeals processes for verdicts we don't agree with and I think they are wrong to think they can achieve by force what they want.
The battle the militia is fighting is what we have court systems for and appeals processes for verdicts we don't agree with and I think they are wrong to think they can achieve by force what they want.
This.
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Reason I ask is, we hear a lot about the second amendment, and what it's "really" for - an organised militia with the ability to stand up to an oppressive regime inflicting its will upon the people. I have no doubt that in the minds of the people occupying this bird sanctuary (seriously, btw?) believe that this is exactly what they're doing.
With that in mind, how do you feel about what they're doing, how it relates to the law and specifically the second amendment?
the "bird sanctuary " was arbitrarily assigned to that land by the Feds. It was family grazing land prior. The reasons the "birds" showed up was from the changes that were made to the land by the family essentially creating a natural oasis-like irrigation system for their herds.Reason I ask is, we hear a lot about the second amendment, and what it's "really" for - an organised militia with the ability to stand up to an oppressive regime inflicting its will upon the people. I have no doubt that in the minds of the people occupying this bird sanctuary (seriously, btw?) believe that this is exactly what they're doing.
With that in mind, how do you feel about what they're doing, how it relates to the law and specifically the second amendment?
I'd also be upset if the govt just came and said "mine"
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The battle the militia is fighting is what we have court systems for and appeals processes for verdicts we don't agree with and I think they are wrong to think they can achieve by force what they want.
This.
This.
Seems like you're both saying that that militia has no place in modern society?
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This.
Seems like you're both saying that that militia has no place in modern society?
Seems like you're both saying that that militia has no place in modern society?
It doesn't apply to this situation. If it was used anytime someone felt wronged by a government official, there would be standoffs over parking tickets.
If the government is rounding people up or cooking the books on elections then those are definitely times that a militia would be important.
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God save the Queen...
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This.
Seems like you're both saying that that militia has no place in modern society?
Seems like you're both saying that that militia has no place in modern society?
I think a militia might be good if we have a breakdown in society (a concern I do have). We have seen the anarchy and chaos after hurricane Katrina or the riots which always are just one video camera spark away from happening. If something were to happen on a national scale you could see the same results nationally as you did locally in Los Angeles (Rodney King riots) or New Orleans, Baltimore, Ferguson etc... I know we have the national guard but I see nothing wrong with a militia in place as well.
I also see another scenario where we could have a break down in society and that is with an economic crisis. How would people act today if we had another Great Depression? I think there would be looting and rioting nationwide. The atheists may knock religion but I personally believe it was that people in the 30's had more (religious) morality than today and that was the reason people did not go on a looting rampage when things were very bad in this country and people persevered through the trial.
I had someone tell me once that he and his family had a steady diet of lard sandwiches during the Great Depression. I think people today will riot and loot before eating lard sandwiches. JMO.
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Seems like you're both saying that that militia has no place in modern society?
It doesn't apply to this situation. If it was used anytime someone felt wronged by a government official, there would be standoffs over parking tickets.
If the government is rounding people up or cooking the books on elections then those are definitely times that a militia would be important.
It doesn't apply to this situation. If it was used anytime someone felt wronged by a government official, there would be standoffs over parking tickets.
If the government is rounding people up or cooking the books on elections then those are definitely times that a militia would be important.
Fair enough.
FWIW, I'd be all in favour of an actual well trained, armed militia.
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It doesn't apply to this situation. If it was used anytime someone felt wronged by a government official, there would be standoffs over parking tickets.
If the government is rounding people up or cooking the books on elections then those are definitely times that a militia would be important.
Fair enough.
FWIW, I'd be all in favour of an actual well trained, armed militia.
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Actually, as is the case with most protests, I don't give a fuck about their cause at all and think they are attention hog pains in the ass.
Less annoying but just as stupid as the Occupy Wall Street jerk offs that some of you may support.
WSS
Actually, as is the case with most protests, I don't give a fuck about their cause at all and think they are attention hog pains in the ass.
Less annoying but just as stupid as the Occupy Wall Street jerk offs that some of you may support.
WSS
but the occupy wall st people actually had a legit cause, you remember...the bullshit that wall st did that gave us the 08 recession? Annoying or not, they were right. Yes they were annoying full admission, but they were "right". I'm still trying to figure out what these Oregon people are about, and why they took over a wildlife refuge.
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ok my buddy from that area just texted me that it's the last family in that valley that's rich in uranium that hasn't sold their property. So they're protesting being forced off their land by the govt so they can destroy the land with a uranium mine. Good on those folks. They're "right".
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First I've heard of this uranium angle. From what I've read both sides have been in the wrong at one time or another. Been a quiet story for the most part.
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