Pettine & Farmer fired what's next?
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Luck is overrated imo.
as is e. manning, matt ryan, flacco, rivers, tannehill, bradford, stafford...
give McCown a Calvin Johnson/AJ Green/Antonio Brown/Julio Jones/Odell Beckham/Josh Flash Gordon and a satisfactory running game and i think he'd surprise us quite a bit.
Hartline has a flat tire and the shrimps have taken up residency in the "what's all the fuss i'm just fuckin concussed" crew.
Josh is the QB bar fellow teammates must overcome for the start. his numbers are good and i'd roll with him ala carson palmer/fitzpatrick but he's a little too passionately volatile--his heart is one of his biggest strengths while directly at odds with his durability (!).
not an austin davis fan, he's "ordinary" as someone once said about another Brownie once.
i do like Goff. whether it's him or someone else sufficiently adequate i hope we take a gamble and draft one high w the 2nd overall.
adios Farmer and MP. i truly was lobbying for another year, sorry it didn't work out Fellas.
give the fam my best and good luck to da both of youz.
When Carson Palmer is being compare to Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Mccown, I gotta go
When Carson Palmer is being compare to Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Mccown, I gotta go
you wanted the gm and hc back for another 3-13 season...jeeeeeez....good lord...oh and by the way, e manning has multiple superbowl victories and flacco has 1 so far...you are calling them overated...you need a shrink...
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Luck is overrated imo.
as is e. manning, matt ryan, flacco, rivers, tannehill, bradford, stafford...
give McCown a Calvin Johnson/AJ Green/Antonio Brown/Julio Jones/Odell Beckham/Josh Flash Gordon and a satisfactory running game and i think he'd surprise us quite a bit.
Hartline has a flat tire and the shrimps have taken up residency in the "what's all the fuss i'm just fuckin concussed" crew.
Josh is the QB bar fellow teammates must overcome for the start. his numbers are good and i'd roll with him ala carson palmer/fitzpatrick but he's a little too passionately volatile--his heart is one of his biggest strengths while directly at odds with his durability (!).
not an austin davis fan, he's "ordinary" as someone once said about another Brownie once.
i do like Goff. whether it's him or someone else sufficiently adequate i hope we take a gamble and draft one high w the 2nd overall.
adios Farmer and MP. i truly was lobbying for another year, sorry it didn't work out Fellas.
give the fam my best and good luck to da both of youz.
When Carson Palmer is being compare to Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Mccown, I gotta go
When Carson Palmer is being compare to Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Mccown, I gotta go
you wouldn't consider them all journeyman vets? all had good seasons this year, stat wise.
Palmer is overrated as well, hot and cold.
but when he's on he's definitely a threat.
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When Carson Palmer is being compare to Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Mccown, I gotta go
you wanted the gm and hc back for another 3-13 season...jeeeeeez....good lord...oh and by the way, e manning has multiple superbowl victories and flacco has 1 so far...you are calling them overated...you need a shrink...
don't be a schmuck they're not top tier. besides Superbowls are for sale and rings are not as much of an endorsement as most like to claim.you wanted the gm and hc back for another 3-13 season...jeeeeeez....good lord...oh and by the way, e manning has multiple superbowl victories and flacco has 1 so far...you are calling them overated...you need a shrink...
3-13 and leading the league in concussions, losing 4 defensive starters to free agency, on our 4th starting QB, lost 3 games on the last play, several more were winnable...
i just wanted some offensive continuity. no to O'Neal and honestly I was just giving the GM and HC a warm goodbye on the off chance they may read this board in between vacations...
name the game EM put the team on his back and carried them. EM and especially Flacco played near mistake free on their SB runs, not the same thing. more than managers but not clutch playmaking superstars like Brady, Big B, Brees, Rodg, Cam...
not trying to defend Matt Ryan etc? cherry pick deez nuts.
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Matt Patricia apparently is going to be interviewed at some point.
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I actually think a stickied appreciation thread for the recently released staff is a good idea. There is a good chance they do read this forum or will in the off months. I'm sure pettine and farmer and other staff are pretty bummed they failed the goals they had set out. I'm sure they did the best they could and tried to give'em hell. But it just wasn't meant to be. Maybe if the browns fan community showed some compassion...well hell guys we may even make someone's day a bit better. End of the day guys the team wins and all of the Brown's players/coaches/shareholders/suits/owner and finally the fans rejoice and have lifted spirits...and when we lose we all share the defeated feeling... Point being a thread that shows we can lose and still support our team and it's coaches and players may just show why cleveland fans are the most loyal fans in the nation. I Think the human element has gone unappreciated and unnoticed in cleveland for too long.
I dunno fella's seems like the right thing to do.
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I like that, Caine.
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Well said Caine. Would be happy to contribute to such a thread.
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Sure, hire a guy that will walk out on the team.Doug Marrone would be awesome. Then even the sunshine pumpers would come over to the dark side
Sure, hire a guy that will walk out on the team.
Keep in mind that he exercised an option placed in the contract because the ownership of the team was in flux.
Now ask yourself if you should use that cudgel against Joe Thomas who's not sure he wants to come back after another regime change.
WSS
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Well said Caine. Would be happy to contribute to such a thread.
Well said Caine. Would be happy to contribute to such a thread.
likewise, and feel free to contribute away. it may be on page 8 now but it's almost never too late to thank others for their time and energy.
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Here's Peter King's opinion for whatever that's worth.....
ClevelandAdam Gase, offensive coordinator, Chicago
One of the whip-smartest play designers and callers, and he’s probably ready for a head-coaching job. I think he’d be a perfect three- to five-year mentor for the quarterback the Browns are sure to draft with the second pick on April 28. (I say three- to five-year mentor, because owner Jimmy Haslam won’t be able to be cavalier with his firing this time.) Another consideration: Not that he would come, but if I were Haslam I’d at least call Kirk Ferentz, the Iowa coach and former Browns aide, to see if the rock-solid Ferentz would ever leave Iowa City.
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@WSSteve (my reply button doesn't work on my work computer)
I have no issue with Marrone leaving the Bills when he did, it was actually pretty smart. My issue is the manner in which he left, he sent out a mass text message after the news had already broke about his departure.
It was when he was HC at Syracuse, was when he left with one game left on the schedule.
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I actually think a stickied appreciation thread for the recently released staff is a good idea. There is a good chance they do read this forum or will in the off months. I'm sure pettine and farmer and other staff are pretty bummed they failed the goals they had set out. I'm sure they did the best they could and tried to give'em hell. But it just wasn't meant to be. Maybe if the browns fan community showed some compassion...well hell guys we may even make someone's day a bit better. End of the day guys the team wins and all of the Brown's players/coaches/shareholders/suits/owner and finally the fans rejoice and have lifted spirits...and when we lose we all share the defeated feeling... Point being a thread that shows we can lose and still support our team and it's coaches and players may just show why cleveland fans are the most loyal fans in the nation. I Think the human element has gone unappreciated and unnoticed in cleveland for too long.
I dunno fella's seems like the right thing to do.
I actually think a stickied appreciation thread for the recently released staff is a good idea. There is a good chance they do read this forum or will in the off months. I'm sure pettine and farmer and other staff are pretty bummed they failed the goals they had set out. I'm sure they did the best they could and tried to give'em hell. But it just wasn't meant to be. Maybe if the browns fan community showed some compassion...well hell guys we may even make someone's day a bit better. End of the day guys the team wins and all of the Brown's players/coaches/shareholders/suits/owner and finally the fans rejoice and have lifted spirits...and when we lose we all share the defeated feeling... Point being a thread that shows we can lose and still support our team and it's coaches and players may just show why cleveland fans are the most loyal fans in the nation. I Think the human element has gone unappreciated and unnoticed in cleveland for too long.
I dunno fella's seems like the right thing to do.
A lot of these guys.....at least Pettine....are going to continue to be paid well for sitting on their keisters. So the tea and sympathy for them is going to be in short supply from me... as, apparently, according to you, they will be doing the same thing as me....sitting on their keister griping about the Browns on this forum.....but getting paid lots of money to do so.
Forget it.
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Sorry didn't realise this was the appreciation thread! I've been of the view all along that Pettine should stay to see how year 3 panned out, along with most of the coaching staff. Clearly the discord between FO and coaches needed sorting out, but I have always regarded our HC as needing more than 2 years before their influence on the squad/tactics is much clearer. Pettine was a hard working, honourable guy whose efforts to turn around our franchise I have appreciated and thank him for it, along with any other coaches that are sacked and those who remain. I wish Pettine all the best in the future.
However, I refuse to stop believing and being positive just because of another regime change, so I intend to be just as supportive of the new guys coming in.
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Here's Peter King's opinion for whatever that's worth.....
ClevelandAdam Gase, offensive coordinator, Chicago
One of the whip-smartest play designers and callers, and he’s probably ready for a head-coaching job. I think he’d be a perfect three- to five-year mentor for the quarterback the Browns are sure to draft with the second pick on April 28. (I say three- to five-year mentor, because owner Jimmy Haslam won’t be able to be cavalier with his firing this time.) Another consideration: Not that he would come, but if I were Haslam I’d at least call Kirk Ferentz, the Iowa coach and former Browns aide, to see if the rock-solid Ferentz would ever leave Iowa City.
Here's Peter King's opinion for whatever that's worth.....
ClevelandAdam Gase, offensive coordinator, Chicago
One of the whip-smartest play designers and callers, and he’s probably ready for a head-coaching job. I think he’d be a perfect three- to five-year mentor for the quarterback the Browns are sure to draft with the second pick on April 28. (I say three- to five-year mentor, because owner Jimmy Haslam won’t be able to be cavalier with his firing this time.) Another consideration: Not that he would come, but if I were Haslam I’d at least call Kirk Ferentz, the Iowa coach and former Browns aide, to see if the rock-solid Ferentz would ever leave Iowa City.
I would put them all together. King-- master scout. Gase--HC ( jimmy better have strings from Peyton with this roster set-up to fail awhile) & Ferentz OC can do what he did before & fix whatever OL line we got left.
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Here's Peter King's opinion for whatever that's worth.....
ClevelandAdam Gase, offensive coordinator, Chicago
One of the whip-smartest play designers and callers, and he’s probably ready for a head-coaching job. I think he’d be a perfect three- to five-year mentor for the quarterback the Browns are sure to draft with the second pick on April 28. (I say three- to five-year mentor, because owner Jimmy Haslam won’t be able to be cavalier with his firing this time.) Another consideration: Not that he would come, but if I were Haslam I’d at least call Kirk Ferentz, the Iowa coach and former Browns aide, to see if the rock-solid Ferentz would ever leave Iowa City.
I would put them all together. King-- master scout. Gase--HC ( jimmy better have strings from Peyton with this roster set-up to fail awhile) & Ferentz OC can do what he did before & fix whatever OL line we got left.
I would put them all together. King-- master scout. Gase--HC ( jimmy better have strings from Peyton with this roster set-up to fail awhile) & Ferentz OC can do what he did before & fix whatever OL line we got left.
Ferentz isn't leaving a HC job at Iowa to come here and be the offensive coordinator.
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Involved part-time at best...
If Jimmah was a "presence" in the org then things between Farmer and Pet would not have spiraled to the depths they did.
When two employees who cannot work together directly report to the same person, the fault lies with their immediate manager.
Exactly.....it was very clear that those 2 reported to Farmer.....and now we all know that they couldnt agree on things and, basically, blamed each other for the teams shortcomings....
And Haslem had set himself up as the only possible mediator in this situation.....and OBVIOUSLY did nothing when things went downhill...
So.....whether you think he's highly committed, or not.....Haslem has basically done what Lerner did.....hire and hand off....
And he definitely wasnt there to lead when it was needed most.....
and, now, due to his lack of involvement, lack of leadership and inability to handle his staff.....they are fired and a new "more agreeable" staff is on it's way......
should we just expect a solid group of yes men???....
So.....whether you think he's highly committed, or not.....Haslem has basically done what Lerner did.....hire and hand off....
Except he hasn't "handed-off"... With the Podesta hire he has put himself even more in the middle.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Except he hasn't "handed-off"... With the Podesta hire he has put himself even more in the middle.
Right, he has Sashi and the hc that will answer to Jerry, er jimmy plus whoever else. I kinda hope Dee gets more involved in this. She actually has a few good brain cells and not afraid of ole whatsisname
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2 more FO people were fired today.
Bill Kuharic and Morroco Brown were giving their walking papers.
2 more FO people were fired today.
Bill Kuharic and Morroco Brown were giving their walking papers.
Well Kuharich was pretty competent with the Chiefs.
A lot of these guys.....at least Pettine....are going to continue to be paid well for sitting on their keisters. So the tea and sympathy for them is going to be in short supply from me... as, apparently, according to you, they will be doing the same thing as me....sitting on their keister griping about the Browns on this forum.....but getting paid lots of money to do so.
Forget it.
Exactly Gip.
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Morocco Brown?? no clue who that is but his name sounds like a fit!
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