Pettine & Farmer fired what's next?
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Well said Caine. Would be happy to contribute to such a thread.
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Sure, hire a guy that will walk out on the team.Doug Marrone would be awesome. Then even the sunshine pumpers would come over to the dark side
Sure, hire a guy that will walk out on the team.
Keep in mind that he exercised an option placed in the contract because the ownership of the team was in flux.
Now ask yourself if you should use that cudgel against Joe Thomas who's not sure he wants to come back after another regime change.
WSS
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Well said Caine. Would be happy to contribute to such a thread.
Well said Caine. Would be happy to contribute to such a thread.
likewise, and feel free to contribute away. it may be on page 8 now but it's almost never too late to thank others for their time and energy.
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Here's Peter King's opinion for whatever that's worth.....
ClevelandAdam Gase, offensive coordinator, Chicago
One of the whip-smartest play designers and callers, and he’s probably ready for a head-coaching job. I think he’d be a perfect three- to five-year mentor for the quarterback the Browns are sure to draft with the second pick on April 28. (I say three- to five-year mentor, because owner Jimmy Haslam won’t be able to be cavalier with his firing this time.) Another consideration: Not that he would come, but if I were Haslam I’d at least call Kirk Ferentz, the Iowa coach and former Browns aide, to see if the rock-solid Ferentz would ever leave Iowa City.
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@WSSteve (my reply button doesn't work on my work computer)
I have no issue with Marrone leaving the Bills when he did, it was actually pretty smart. My issue is the manner in which he left, he sent out a mass text message after the news had already broke about his departure.
It was when he was HC at Syracuse, was when he left with one game left on the schedule.
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I actually think a stickied appreciation thread for the recently released staff is a good idea. There is a good chance they do read this forum or will in the off months. I'm sure pettine and farmer and other staff are pretty bummed they failed the goals they had set out. I'm sure they did the best they could and tried to give'em hell. But it just wasn't meant to be. Maybe if the browns fan community showed some compassion...well hell guys we may even make someone's day a bit better. End of the day guys the team wins and all of the Brown's players/coaches/shareholders/suits/owner and finally the fans rejoice and have lifted spirits...and when we lose we all share the defeated feeling... Point being a thread that shows we can lose and still support our team and it's coaches and players may just show why cleveland fans are the most loyal fans in the nation. I Think the human element has gone unappreciated and unnoticed in cleveland for too long.
I dunno fella's seems like the right thing to do.
I actually think a stickied appreciation thread for the recently released staff is a good idea. There is a good chance they do read this forum or will in the off months. I'm sure pettine and farmer and other staff are pretty bummed they failed the goals they had set out. I'm sure they did the best they could and tried to give'em hell. But it just wasn't meant to be. Maybe if the browns fan community showed some compassion...well hell guys we may even make someone's day a bit better. End of the day guys the team wins and all of the Brown's players/coaches/shareholders/suits/owner and finally the fans rejoice and have lifted spirits...and when we lose we all share the defeated feeling... Point being a thread that shows we can lose and still support our team and it's coaches and players may just show why cleveland fans are the most loyal fans in the nation. I Think the human element has gone unappreciated and unnoticed in cleveland for too long.
I dunno fella's seems like the right thing to do.
A lot of these guys.....at least Pettine....are going to continue to be paid well for sitting on their keisters. So the tea and sympathy for them is going to be in short supply from me... as, apparently, according to you, they will be doing the same thing as me....sitting on their keister griping about the Browns on this forum.....but getting paid lots of money to do so.
Forget it.
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Sorry didn't realise this was the appreciation thread! I've been of the view all along that Pettine should stay to see how year 3 panned out, along with most of the coaching staff. Clearly the discord between FO and coaches needed sorting out, but I have always regarded our HC as needing more than 2 years before their influence on the squad/tactics is much clearer. Pettine was a hard working, honourable guy whose efforts to turn around our franchise I have appreciated and thank him for it, along with any other coaches that are sacked and those who remain. I wish Pettine all the best in the future.
However, I refuse to stop believing and being positive just because of another regime change, so I intend to be just as supportive of the new guys coming in.
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Here's Peter King's opinion for whatever that's worth.....
ClevelandAdam Gase, offensive coordinator, Chicago
One of the whip-smartest play designers and callers, and he’s probably ready for a head-coaching job. I think he’d be a perfect three- to five-year mentor for the quarterback the Browns are sure to draft with the second pick on April 28. (I say three- to five-year mentor, because owner Jimmy Haslam won’t be able to be cavalier with his firing this time.) Another consideration: Not that he would come, but if I were Haslam I’d at least call Kirk Ferentz, the Iowa coach and former Browns aide, to see if the rock-solid Ferentz would ever leave Iowa City.
Here's Peter King's opinion for whatever that's worth.....
ClevelandAdam Gase, offensive coordinator, Chicago
One of the whip-smartest play designers and callers, and he’s probably ready for a head-coaching job. I think he’d be a perfect three- to five-year mentor for the quarterback the Browns are sure to draft with the second pick on April 28. (I say three- to five-year mentor, because owner Jimmy Haslam won’t be able to be cavalier with his firing this time.) Another consideration: Not that he would come, but if I were Haslam I’d at least call Kirk Ferentz, the Iowa coach and former Browns aide, to see if the rock-solid Ferentz would ever leave Iowa City.
I would put them all together. King-- master scout. Gase--HC ( jimmy better have strings from Peyton with this roster set-up to fail awhile) & Ferentz OC can do what he did before & fix whatever OL line we got left.
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Here's Peter King's opinion for whatever that's worth.....
ClevelandAdam Gase, offensive coordinator, Chicago
One of the whip-smartest play designers and callers, and he’s probably ready for a head-coaching job. I think he’d be a perfect three- to five-year mentor for the quarterback the Browns are sure to draft with the second pick on April 28. (I say three- to five-year mentor, because owner Jimmy Haslam won’t be able to be cavalier with his firing this time.) Another consideration: Not that he would come, but if I were Haslam I’d at least call Kirk Ferentz, the Iowa coach and former Browns aide, to see if the rock-solid Ferentz would ever leave Iowa City.
I would put them all together. King-- master scout. Gase--HC ( jimmy better have strings from Peyton with this roster set-up to fail awhile) & Ferentz OC can do what he did before & fix whatever OL line we got left.
I would put them all together. King-- master scout. Gase--HC ( jimmy better have strings from Peyton with this roster set-up to fail awhile) & Ferentz OC can do what he did before & fix whatever OL line we got left.
Ferentz isn't leaving a HC job at Iowa to come here and be the offensive coordinator.
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Involved part-time at best...
If Jimmah was a "presence" in the org then things between Farmer and Pet would not have spiraled to the depths they did.
When two employees who cannot work together directly report to the same person, the fault lies with their immediate manager.
Exactly.....it was very clear that those 2 reported to Farmer.....and now we all know that they couldnt agree on things and, basically, blamed each other for the teams shortcomings....
And Haslem had set himself up as the only possible mediator in this situation.....and OBVIOUSLY did nothing when things went downhill...
So.....whether you think he's highly committed, or not.....Haslem has basically done what Lerner did.....hire and hand off....
And he definitely wasnt there to lead when it was needed most.....
and, now, due to his lack of involvement, lack of leadership and inability to handle his staff.....they are fired and a new "more agreeable" staff is on it's way......
should we just expect a solid group of yes men???....
So.....whether you think he's highly committed, or not.....Haslem has basically done what Lerner did.....hire and hand off....
Except he hasn't "handed-off"... With the Podesta hire he has put himself even more in the middle.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Except he hasn't "handed-off"... With the Podesta hire he has put himself even more in the middle.
Right, he has Sashi and the hc that will answer to Jerry, er jimmy plus whoever else. I kinda hope Dee gets more involved in this. She actually has a few good brain cells and not afraid of ole whatsisname
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2 more FO people were fired today.
Bill Kuharic and Morroco Brown were giving their walking papers.
2 more FO people were fired today.
Bill Kuharic and Morroco Brown were giving their walking papers.
Well Kuharich was pretty competent with the Chiefs.
A lot of these guys.....at least Pettine....are going to continue to be paid well for sitting on their keisters. So the tea and sympathy for them is going to be in short supply from me... as, apparently, according to you, they will be doing the same thing as me....sitting on their keister griping about the Browns on this forum.....but getting paid lots of money to do so.
Forget it.
Exactly Gip.
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Morocco Brown?? no clue who that is but his name sounds like a fit!
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Morocco Brown?? no clue who that is but his name sounds like a fit!
Morocco Brown?? no clue who that is but his name sounds like a fit!
I think we are looking at a trend. Funny namers with the surname Brown.
WSS
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At least Haslam is going from the top first rebuilding. I can truthfully say I dont really know who they are yet but changes are coming. This explains why he was so silent through all this mess. Hold people accountable and put the right front office in place. That's what I wanted to begin with. Now let the dominos fall it can't be any worse than this last season.
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I think the name "Morocco Brown" would be an excellent handle for a professional wrestler.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Except he hasn't "handed-off"... With the Podesta hire he has put himself even more in the middle.
Maybe going forward.....but I feel like he did last year(which is what I referencing)....in that he hired 2 guys and then basically disappeared....
And based upon what we're hearing, those 2 guys couldnt resolve their issues, which hurt the team and cost them their jobs....
So....Id only ask if he didnt hand off and go away....where was he and why wasnt some type of corrective action taken during the season?
I know its a fine line between being involved and meddling....but I do think the owner has to be involved to the point that his staff is working together, etc....and in more than a weekly or monthly update type of way....
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I think we're in agreement, Mud...
My point was that Jimmah was the focal point between Pat and Farmer, two of his three direct reports, and looked to have done nothing on any continuing basis to see that they worked together. If anything the distinct lines of responsibility he drew going into their year 2 promoted less cooperation.
And now, rather than set up a true POFO as Gip proposed, he has a VPOFO reporting to him along with the HC and the CSO (Chief Strategy Officer) plus, I guess, Alec Scheiner(?), who a month ago was reportedly "gaining power"??? He's even undermined his mediator by giving him a reporting stake in the form of the ScoutMaster General.
Jimmah clearly does not want to give up control, but if he, as we suspect he has, continues to also not want to get involved the mess is still there.
And if he does "get involved" then there's the danger you wrote about of him poisoning the process.
Or everything could be great...
One chance in three... I hope the odds are that good.
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I read/heard a different take about the firings, and maybe this was mentioned earlier in the thread. I read that this firing was really about analytics in that Pettine and Farmer butted heads with Sashi Brown and Scheiner over the use of it. We know analytics said to draft Bridgewater and Farmer ignored it. My guess is they ignored a lot of other analytics and Brown and the other analytics guys in Berea showed Haslem how their their analytics were right and Pettine and Farmer were wrong about a lot of things.
Now we see the team going full steam ahead into analytics with those two gone.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
So what kind of time frame are we looking at for a new coach...by the end of feb, or sooner, or wait until 2 weeks before the draft.
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