Pettine & Farmer fired what's next?
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Here's Peter King's opinion for whatever that's worth.....
ClevelandAdam Gase, offensive coordinator, Chicago
One of the whip-smartest play designers and callers, and he’s probably ready for a head-coaching job. I think he’d be a perfect three- to five-year mentor for the quarterback the Browns are sure to draft with the second pick on April 28. (I say three- to five-year mentor, because owner Jimmy Haslam won’t be able to be cavalier with his firing this time.) Another consideration: Not that he would come, but if I were Haslam I’d at least call Kirk Ferentz, the Iowa coach and former Browns aide, to see if the rock-solid Ferentz would ever leave Iowa City.
I would put them all together. King-- master scout. Gase--HC ( jimmy better have strings from Peyton with this roster set-up to fail awhile) & Ferentz OC can do what he did before & fix whatever OL line we got left.
I would put them all together. King-- master scout. Gase--HC ( jimmy better have strings from Peyton with this roster set-up to fail awhile) & Ferentz OC can do what he did before & fix whatever OL line we got left.
Ferentz isn't leaving a HC job at Iowa to come here and be the offensive coordinator.
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Involved part-time at best...
If Jimmah was a "presence" in the org then things between Farmer and Pet would not have spiraled to the depths they did.
When two employees who cannot work together directly report to the same person, the fault lies with their immediate manager.
Exactly.....it was very clear that those 2 reported to Farmer.....and now we all know that they couldnt agree on things and, basically, blamed each other for the teams shortcomings....
And Haslem had set himself up as the only possible mediator in this situation.....and OBVIOUSLY did nothing when things went downhill...
So.....whether you think he's highly committed, or not.....Haslem has basically done what Lerner did.....hire and hand off....
And he definitely wasnt there to lead when it was needed most.....
and, now, due to his lack of involvement, lack of leadership and inability to handle his staff.....they are fired and a new "more agreeable" staff is on it's way......
should we just expect a solid group of yes men???....
So.....whether you think he's highly committed, or not.....Haslem has basically done what Lerner did.....hire and hand off....
Except he hasn't "handed-off"... With the Podesta hire he has put himself even more in the middle.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Except he hasn't "handed-off"... With the Podesta hire he has put himself even more in the middle.
Right, he has Sashi and the hc that will answer to Jerry, er jimmy plus whoever else. I kinda hope Dee gets more involved in this. She actually has a few good brain cells and not afraid of ole whatsisname
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2 more FO people were fired today.
Bill Kuharic and Morroco Brown were giving their walking papers.
2 more FO people were fired today.
Bill Kuharic and Morroco Brown were giving their walking papers.
Well Kuharich was pretty competent with the Chiefs.
A lot of these guys.....at least Pettine....are going to continue to be paid well for sitting on their keisters. So the tea and sympathy for them is going to be in short supply from me... as, apparently, according to you, they will be doing the same thing as me....sitting on their keister griping about the Browns on this forum.....but getting paid lots of money to do so.
Forget it.
Exactly Gip.
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Morocco Brown?? no clue who that is but his name sounds like a fit!
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Morocco Brown?? no clue who that is but his name sounds like a fit!
Morocco Brown?? no clue who that is but his name sounds like a fit!
I think we are looking at a trend. Funny namers with the surname Brown.
WSS
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At least Haslam is going from the top first rebuilding. I can truthfully say I dont really know who they are yet but changes are coming. This explains why he was so silent through all this mess. Hold people accountable and put the right front office in place. That's what I wanted to begin with. Now let the dominos fall it can't be any worse than this last season.
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I think the name "Morocco Brown" would be an excellent handle for a professional wrestler.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Except he hasn't "handed-off"... With the Podesta hire he has put himself even more in the middle.
Maybe going forward.....but I feel like he did last year(which is what I referencing)....in that he hired 2 guys and then basically disappeared....
And based upon what we're hearing, those 2 guys couldnt resolve their issues, which hurt the team and cost them their jobs....
So....Id only ask if he didnt hand off and go away....where was he and why wasnt some type of corrective action taken during the season?
I know its a fine line between being involved and meddling....but I do think the owner has to be involved to the point that his staff is working together, etc....and in more than a weekly or monthly update type of way....
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I think we're in agreement, Mud...
My point was that Jimmah was the focal point between Pat and Farmer, two of his three direct reports, and looked to have done nothing on any continuing basis to see that they worked together. If anything the distinct lines of responsibility he drew going into their year 2 promoted less cooperation.
And now, rather than set up a true POFO as Gip proposed, he has a VPOFO reporting to him along with the HC and the CSO (Chief Strategy Officer) plus, I guess, Alec Scheiner(?), who a month ago was reportedly "gaining power"??? He's even undermined his mediator by giving him a reporting stake in the form of the ScoutMaster General.
Jimmah clearly does not want to give up control, but if he, as we suspect he has, continues to also not want to get involved the mess is still there.
And if he does "get involved" then there's the danger you wrote about of him poisoning the process.
Or everything could be great...
One chance in three... I hope the odds are that good.
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I read/heard a different take about the firings, and maybe this was mentioned earlier in the thread. I read that this firing was really about analytics in that Pettine and Farmer butted heads with Sashi Brown and Scheiner over the use of it. We know analytics said to draft Bridgewater and Farmer ignored it. My guess is they ignored a lot of other analytics and Brown and the other analytics guys in Berea showed Haslem how their their analytics were right and Pettine and Farmer were wrong about a lot of things.
Now we see the team going full steam ahead into analytics with those two gone.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
So what kind of time frame are we looking at for a new coach...by the end of feb, or sooner, or wait until 2 weeks before the draft.
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So what kind of time frame are we looking at for a new coach...by the end of feb, or sooner, or wait until 2 weeks before the draft.
So what kind of time frame are we looking at for a new coach...by the end of feb, or sooner, or wait until 2 weeks before the draft.
Depends - some of the guys we want to talk to are in the playoffs. We're talking to Hue Jackson/Guenther Sunday it seems like (probably in Cincinnatti I would imagine). We want to talk to Patricia but I haven't seen us schedule anything yet - if we don't do it this week then we have to wait until NE is eliminated.
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I read/heard a different take about the firings, and maybe this was mentioned earlier in the thread. I read that this firing was really about analytics in that Pettine and Farmer butted heads with Sashi Brown and Scheiner over the use of it. We know analytics said to draft Bridgewater and Farmer ignored it. My guess is they ignored a lot of other analytics and Brown and the other analytics guys in Berea showed Haslem how their their analytics were right and Pettine and Farmer were wrong about a lot of things.
Now we see the team going full steam ahead into analytics with those two gone.
I read/heard a different take about the firings, and maybe this was mentioned earlier in the thread. I read that this firing was really about analytics in that Pettine and Farmer butted heads with Sashi Brown and Scheiner over the use of it. We know analytics said to draft Bridgewater and Farmer ignored it. My guess is they ignored a lot of other analytics and Brown and the other analytics guys in Berea showed Haslem how their their analytics were right and Pettine and Farmer were wrong about a lot of things.
Interesting take that would make Pettine Art Howe...
Issue is of course that Farmer was allowed to ignore the QB report.
And the take leaves me wondering where the analytics sticking-point was with Pet since he did not play JM???
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So what kind of time frame are we looking at for a new coach...by the end of feb, or sooner, or wait until 2 weeks before the draft.
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So what kind of time frame are we looking at for a new coach...by the end of feb, or sooner, or wait until 2 weeks before the draft.
Depends - some of the guys we want to talk to are in the playoffs. We're talking to Hue Jackson/Guenther Sunday it seems like (probably in Cincinnatti I would imagine). We want to talk to Patricia but I haven't seen us schedule anything yet - if we don't do it this week then we have to wait until NE is eliminated.
Depends - some of the guys we want to talk to are in the playoffs. We're talking to Hue Jackson/Guenther Sunday it seems like (probably in Cincinnatti I would imagine). We want to talk to Patricia but I haven't seen us schedule anything yet - if we don't do it this week then we have to wait until NE is eliminated.
well bb grossi says he likes the net Jonah Hill has thrown in this coaching search compared to haslam's last search. Confirmed done interviews. Marrone, Gase, DC lions Teryl Austin & DB coach dallas Jerome Henderson. Up this Sunday is going to Cinn. to interview Cinn. OC Hue Jackson & DC Paul Guenther than travel to Charlotte with DC S. McDermott. If all else fails this weekend it will be Paul Depo to pull his NY strings to get to Pats. DC Patrica. You maybe right on this guy. The way I read it, He Fits FO.
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Depends - some of the guys we want to talk to are in the playoffs. We're talking to Hue Jackson/Guenther Sunday it seems like (probably in Cincinnatti I would imagine). We want to talk to Patricia but I haven't seen us schedule anything yet - if we don't do it this week then we have to wait until NE is eliminated.
well bb grossi says he likes the net Jonah Hill has thrown in this coaching search compared to haslam's last search. Confirmed done interviews. Marrone, Gase, DC lions Teryl Austin & DB coach dallas Jerome Henderson. Up this Sunday is going to Cinn. to interview Cinn. OC Hue Jackson & DC Paul Guenther than travel to Charlotte with DC S. McDermott. If all else fails this weekend it will be Paul Depo to pull his NY strings to get to Pats. DC Patrica. You maybe right on this guy. The way I read it, He Fits FO.
MKC & Grossi both tweeted that the Browns are not scheduled to interview Guenther. Not saying they won't...he's just not scheduled.well bb grossi says he likes the net Jonah Hill has thrown in this coaching search compared to haslam's last search. Confirmed done interviews. Marrone, Gase, DC lions Teryl Austin & DB coach dallas Jerome Henderson. Up this Sunday is going to Cinn. to interview Cinn. OC Hue Jackson & DC Paul Guenther than travel to Charlotte with DC S. McDermott. If all else fails this weekend it will be Paul Depo to pull his NY strings to get to Pats. DC Patrica. You maybe right on this guy. The way I read it, He Fits FO.
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When does Art Howe interview?
I can't believe Gase chose Miami over Cleveland, the Browns are definitely the best gig in the NFL. Paging Doug Marrone, Doug Marrone you're wanted in Berea.
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I can't believe Gase chose Miami over Cleveland, the Browns are definitely the best gig in the NFL. Paging Doug Marrone, Doug Marrone you're wanted in Berea.
Great weather, no state income tax, hot chicks, and the owner isn't Haslam.
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