Pettine & Farmer fired what's next?
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Except he hasn't "handed-off"... With the Podesta hire he has put himself even more in the middle.
Maybe going forward.....but I feel like he did last year(which is what I referencing)....in that he hired 2 guys and then basically disappeared....
And based upon what we're hearing, those 2 guys couldnt resolve their issues, which hurt the team and cost them their jobs....
So....Id only ask if he didnt hand off and go away....where was he and why wasnt some type of corrective action taken during the season?
I know its a fine line between being involved and meddling....but I do think the owner has to be involved to the point that his staff is working together, etc....and in more than a weekly or monthly update type of way....
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I think we're in agreement, Mud...
My point was that Jimmah was the focal point between Pat and Farmer, two of his three direct reports, and looked to have done nothing on any continuing basis to see that they worked together. If anything the distinct lines of responsibility he drew going into their year 2 promoted less cooperation.
And now, rather than set up a true POFO as Gip proposed, he has a VPOFO reporting to him along with the HC and the CSO (Chief Strategy Officer) plus, I guess, Alec Scheiner(?), who a month ago was reportedly "gaining power"??? He's even undermined his mediator by giving him a reporting stake in the form of the ScoutMaster General.
Jimmah clearly does not want to give up control, but if he, as we suspect he has, continues to also not want to get involved the mess is still there.
And if he does "get involved" then there's the danger you wrote about of him poisoning the process.
Or everything could be great...
One chance in three... I hope the odds are that good.
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I read/heard a different take about the firings, and maybe this was mentioned earlier in the thread. I read that this firing was really about analytics in that Pettine and Farmer butted heads with Sashi Brown and Scheiner over the use of it. We know analytics said to draft Bridgewater and Farmer ignored it. My guess is they ignored a lot of other analytics and Brown and the other analytics guys in Berea showed Haslem how their their analytics were right and Pettine and Farmer were wrong about a lot of things.
Now we see the team going full steam ahead into analytics with those two gone.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
So what kind of time frame are we looking at for a new coach...by the end of feb, or sooner, or wait until 2 weeks before the draft.
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So what kind of time frame are we looking at for a new coach...by the end of feb, or sooner, or wait until 2 weeks before the draft.
So what kind of time frame are we looking at for a new coach...by the end of feb, or sooner, or wait until 2 weeks before the draft.
Depends - some of the guys we want to talk to are in the playoffs. We're talking to Hue Jackson/Guenther Sunday it seems like (probably in Cincinnatti I would imagine). We want to talk to Patricia but I haven't seen us schedule anything yet - if we don't do it this week then we have to wait until NE is eliminated.
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I read/heard a different take about the firings, and maybe this was mentioned earlier in the thread. I read that this firing was really about analytics in that Pettine and Farmer butted heads with Sashi Brown and Scheiner over the use of it. We know analytics said to draft Bridgewater and Farmer ignored it. My guess is they ignored a lot of other analytics and Brown and the other analytics guys in Berea showed Haslem how their their analytics were right and Pettine and Farmer were wrong about a lot of things.
Now we see the team going full steam ahead into analytics with those two gone.
I read/heard a different take about the firings, and maybe this was mentioned earlier in the thread. I read that this firing was really about analytics in that Pettine and Farmer butted heads with Sashi Brown and Scheiner over the use of it. We know analytics said to draft Bridgewater and Farmer ignored it. My guess is they ignored a lot of other analytics and Brown and the other analytics guys in Berea showed Haslem how their their analytics were right and Pettine and Farmer were wrong about a lot of things.
Interesting take that would make Pettine Art Howe...
Issue is of course that Farmer was allowed to ignore the QB report.
And the take leaves me wondering where the analytics sticking-point was with Pet since he did not play JM???
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So what kind of time frame are we looking at for a new coach...by the end of feb, or sooner, or wait until 2 weeks before the draft.
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So what kind of time frame are we looking at for a new coach...by the end of feb, or sooner, or wait until 2 weeks before the draft.
Depends - some of the guys we want to talk to are in the playoffs. We're talking to Hue Jackson/Guenther Sunday it seems like (probably in Cincinnatti I would imagine). We want to talk to Patricia but I haven't seen us schedule anything yet - if we don't do it this week then we have to wait until NE is eliminated.
Depends - some of the guys we want to talk to are in the playoffs. We're talking to Hue Jackson/Guenther Sunday it seems like (probably in Cincinnatti I would imagine). We want to talk to Patricia but I haven't seen us schedule anything yet - if we don't do it this week then we have to wait until NE is eliminated.
well bb grossi says he likes the net Jonah Hill has thrown in this coaching search compared to haslam's last search. Confirmed done interviews. Marrone, Gase, DC lions Teryl Austin & DB coach dallas Jerome Henderson. Up this Sunday is going to Cinn. to interview Cinn. OC Hue Jackson & DC Paul Guenther than travel to Charlotte with DC S. McDermott. If all else fails this weekend it will be Paul Depo to pull his NY strings to get to Pats. DC Patrica. You maybe right on this guy. The way I read it, He Fits FO.
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Depends - some of the guys we want to talk to are in the playoffs. We're talking to Hue Jackson/Guenther Sunday it seems like (probably in Cincinnatti I would imagine). We want to talk to Patricia but I haven't seen us schedule anything yet - if we don't do it this week then we have to wait until NE is eliminated.
well bb grossi says he likes the net Jonah Hill has thrown in this coaching search compared to haslam's last search. Confirmed done interviews. Marrone, Gase, DC lions Teryl Austin & DB coach dallas Jerome Henderson. Up this Sunday is going to Cinn. to interview Cinn. OC Hue Jackson & DC Paul Guenther than travel to Charlotte with DC S. McDermott. If all else fails this weekend it will be Paul Depo to pull his NY strings to get to Pats. DC Patrica. You maybe right on this guy. The way I read it, He Fits FO.
MKC & Grossi both tweeted that the Browns are not scheduled to interview Guenther. Not saying they won't...he's just not scheduled.well bb grossi says he likes the net Jonah Hill has thrown in this coaching search compared to haslam's last search. Confirmed done interviews. Marrone, Gase, DC lions Teryl Austin & DB coach dallas Jerome Henderson. Up this Sunday is going to Cinn. to interview Cinn. OC Hue Jackson & DC Paul Guenther than travel to Charlotte with DC S. McDermott. If all else fails this weekend it will be Paul Depo to pull his NY strings to get to Pats. DC Patrica. You maybe right on this guy. The way I read it, He Fits FO.
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When does Art Howe interview?
I can't believe Gase chose Miami over Cleveland, the Browns are definitely the best gig in the NFL. Paging Doug Marrone, Doug Marrone you're wanted in Berea.
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I can't believe Gase chose Miami over Cleveland, the Browns are definitely the best gig in the NFL. Paging Doug Marrone, Doug Marrone you're wanted in Berea.
Great weather, no state income tax, hot chicks, and the owner isn't Haslam.
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I can't believe Gase chose Miami over Cleveland, the Browns are definitely the best gig in the NFL. Paging Doug Marrone, Doug Marrone you're wanted in Berea.
Okay, so you believe that Adam GaSe is the perfect guy for this situation? Or you don't think he is and you're just bitching?
WSS
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I can't believe Gase chose Miami over Cleveland, the Browns are definitely the best gig in the NFL. Paging Doug Marrone, Doug Marrone you're wanted in Berea.
Okay, so you believe that Adam GaSe is the perfect guy for this situation? Or you don't think he is and you're just bitching?
WSS
Okay, so you believe that Adam GaSe is the perfect guy for this situation? Or you don't think he is and you're just bitching?
WSS
I think Gase is one of the better coaching options out there and I'm fairly certain that I've witnessed this shit show before. Then Jimmy Haslam put on his best douchebag smile and said after an exhaustive search they finally found the perfect guy, Mike Pettine.
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Okay, so you believe that Adam GaSe is the perfect guy for this situation? Or you don't think he is and you're just bitching?
WSS
I think Gase is one of the better coaching options out there and I'm fairly certain that I've witnessed this shit show before. Then Jimmy Haslam put on his best douchebag smile and said after an exhaustive search they finally found the perfect guy, Mike Pettine.
I think Gase is one of the better coaching options out there and I'm fairly certain that I've witnessed this shit show before. Then Jimmy Haslam put on his best douchebag smile and said after an exhaustive search they finally found the perfect guy, Mike Pettine.
But, as it's been reported ad nauseum, the Browns are looking for someone new and fresh that will buy into this magical computer football general manager app system.
WSS
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I think Gase is one of the better coaching options out there and I'm fairly certain that I've witnessed this shit show before. Then Jimmy Haslam put on his best douchebag smile and said after an exhaustive search they finally found the perfect guy, Mike Pettine.
But, as it's been reported ad nauseum, the Browns are looking for someone new and fresh that will buy into this magical computer football general manager app system.
WSS
... magical computer football general manager app system.
lol... there's an app for that...
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... magical computer football general manager app system.
lol... there's an app for that...
lol... there's an app for that...
http://www.nfl.com/mobile/flickqb
We can all be good at this now.
Up next Tour Football, Browns newest QB!
Oh, by the way, you are not my starter. Let me be very public about that so we set the ground rules before you get carried away with this.
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I'm hoping we go for Jackson and we make a decision soon before they all get appointed elsewhere.
Loyaultie me Lie. If I hadn't seen such riches I could live with being poor! -
Unless of course they let Lewis go.
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I'm hoping we go for Jackson and we make a decision soon before they all get appointed elsewhere.
I'm hoping we go for Jackson and we make a decision soon before they all get appointed elsewhere.
Jackson has his interview with the Browns in about 1/2 hour. Had a 5 hour interview with San Francisco this morning.
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