First Draft Pick Must be a QB - Paxton
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UPDATE:
After 8 full games of Goff, the scales are shifting. He might be worth the pick at #2.
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Trying to tell you people...
It was never a doubt of his talent in my opinion, it was a cost-benefit analysis of our draft as a whole. I didn't (and still don't yet) see Goff + whoever benefitting us more than Bosa + Wentz, especially with the chance of landing Rosen in two years. I didn't see Goff as a can't miss QB, and that's what you really have to look for when picking at #2.
I still don't see Goff as a can't miss, but he's certainly better than I gave him credit for. Depending on coaching hires and free agent acquisitions, I could see the value in taking Goff at #2 - he has natural arm talent, size, intangibles, football intelligence, and proven performance against top talent for the most part.
But I'm still salivating over the Bosa + Wentz combination as well. This is tough for me.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Trying to tell you people...
It was never a doubt of his talent in my opinion, it was a cost-benefit analysis of our draft as a whole. I didn't (and still don't yet) see Goff + whoever benefitting us more than Bosa + Wentz, especially with the chance of landing Rosen in two years. I didn't see Goff as a can't miss QB, and that's what you really have to look for when picking at #2.
I still don't see Goff as a can't miss, but he's certainly better than I gave him credit for. Depending on coaching hires and free agent acquisitions, I could see the value in taking Goff at #2 - he has natural arm talent, size, intangibles, football intelligence, and proven performance against top talent for the most part.
But I'm still salivating over the Bosa + Wentz combination as well. This is tough for me.
But I'm still salivating over the Bosa + Wentz combination as well. This is tough for me.
I think the question really is.....can Bosa be on the same level as someone like JJ Watt? Picking a defensive player at #2 overall, he needs to be a gamechanger. If that opinion is that Bosa can be that guy....then thats who we have to take in my opinion.. I don't know enough about college football or watch enough of it to have a strong opinion but I'm leaning more towards liking the Bosa and then a QB in 2nd or 3rd. Twatwater went 32nd and I think we'd all agree we'd rather have him that Johnny shitshow right now.
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Trying to tell you people...
It was never a doubt of his talent in my opinion, it was a cost-benefit analysis of our draft as a whole. I didn't (and still don't yet) see Goff + whoever benefitting us more than Bosa + Wentz, especially with the chance of landing Rosen in two years. I didn't see Goff as a can't miss QB, and that's what you really have to look for when picking at #2.
I still don't see Goff as a can't miss, but he's certainly better than I gave him credit for. Depending on coaching hires and free agent acquisitions, I could see the value in taking Goff at #2 - he has natural arm talent, size, intangibles, football intelligence, and proven performance against top talent for the most part.
But I'm still salivating over the Bosa + Wentz combination as well. This is tough for me.
But I'm still salivating over the Bosa + Wentz combination as well. This is tough for me.
lol... May I suggest you look for a late-first, front-seven player with impact potential to balance the scales?
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But I'm still salivating over the Bosa + Wentz combination as well. This is tough for me.
I think the question really is.....can Bosa be on the same level as someone like JJ Watt? Picking a defensive player at #2 overall, he needs to be a gamechanger. If that opinion is that Bosa can be that guy....then thats who we have to take in my opinion.. I don't know enough about college football or watch enough of it to have a strong opinion but I'm leaning more towards liking the Bosa and then a QB in 2nd or 3rd. Twatwater went 32nd and I think we'd all agree we'd rather have him that Johnny shitshow right now.
I think the question really is.....can Bosa be on the same level as someone like JJ Watt? Picking a defensive player at #2 overall, he needs to be a gamechanger. If that opinion is that Bosa can be that guy....then thats who we have to take in my opinion.. I don't know enough about college football or watch enough of it to have a strong opinion but I'm leaning more towards liking the Bosa and then a QB in 2nd or 3rd. Twatwater went 32nd and I think we'd all agree we'd rather have him that Johnny shitshow right now.
No, I don't believe he is another JJ Watt. That is a generational talent. I'd put him more as a Jared Allen in his prime.
Or like one of my all-time favorites...Pat Kerney.
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But I'm still salivating over the Bosa + Wentz combination as well. This is tough for me.
lol... May I suggest you look for a late-first, front-seven player with impact potential to balance the scales?
lol... May I suggest you look for a late-first, front-seven player with impact potential to balance the scales?
The problem is...who? Ragland won't be there.
Allen, Bullard, Lawson, Nassib are mocked to be in that general area, but I think that the talent differential between Bosa and any of these guys is much larger than that between Goff and Wentz.
As for LB's - Ragland won't be there. Beckwith will likely be available at the top of the third as of today.
The best I could come up with would be Calhoun. And the Goff + Calhoun combo, while interesting enough, doesn't strike me as much as the Bosa + Wentz combo. Especially if we keep McCown.
The biggest factor for me is what we plan on doing with McCown. I could get by for another year or possibly two with McCown at the helm if it means we make solid decisions in the draft to acquire top talent in problem areas. Then it would be a better situation to add a young QB.
I see us winning no more than 7 games a season regardless of who we have at QB for the next few years. That's why I'm hesitant on Goff if Bosa is on the board.
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If Goff is "the guy" then you can't pass him up. He might not last past Dallas, definitely won't past San Fran. Someone may wanna trade up.
I know we suck everywhere, I'm just leaning towards the idea that Goff is the guy with pretty high franchise QB potential.
At #32 I'm not sure. Taking the analytical approach probably contradicts any expensive trade up unless we really, really like another guy who won't fall that far
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lol... May I suggest you look for a late-first, front-seven player with impact potential to balance the scales?
The problem is...who? Ragland won't be there.
Allen, Bullard, Lawson, Nassib are mocked to be in that general area, but I think that the talent differential between Bosa and any of these guys is much larger than that between Goff and Wentz.
As for LB's - Ragland won't be there. Beckwith will likely be available at the top of the third as of today.
The best I could come up with would be Calhoun. And the Goff + Calhoun combo, while interesting enough, doesn't strike me as much as the Bosa + Wentz combo. Especially if we keep McCown.
The biggest factor for me is what we plan on doing with McCown. I could get by for another year or possibly two with McCown at the helm if it means we make solid decisions in the draft to acquire top talent in problem areas. Then it would be a better situation to add a young QB.
I see us winning no more than 7 games a season regardless of who we have at QB for the next few years. That's why I'm hesitant on Goff if Bosa is on the board.
The problem is...who?
Someone will pop... I don't have a name yet. But once you add any reasonable candidate it starts balancing the scale.
My "advantage" (if you want to call it that) is that I am not head over heels for Bosa. Also my advantage... I've not yet looked hard at Wentz. Still looking for something/anything wrong with Goff...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
UPDATE:
After 8 full games of Goff, the scales are shifting. He might be worth the pick at #2.
I have to admit, I'm warming up to the idea of drafting Goff as well.UPDATE:
After 8 full games of Goff, the scales are shifting. He might be worth the pick at #2.
With McCown on the team for the next 2 years, the timing couldn't be better to have a veteran QB to mentor whoever we draft.
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I think the question really is.....can Bosa be on the same level as someone like JJ Watt? Picking a defensive player at #2 overall, he needs to be a gamechanger. If that opinion is that Bosa can be that guy....then thats who we have to take in my opinion.. I don't know enough about college football or watch enough of it to have a strong opinion but I'm leaning more towards liking the Bosa and then a QB in 2nd or 3rd. Twatwater went 32nd and I think we'd all agree we'd rather have him that Johnny shitshow right now.
No, I don't believe he is another JJ Watt. That is a generational talent. I'd put him more as a Jared Allen in his prime.
Or like one of my all-time favorites...Pat Kerney.
No, I don't believe he is another JJ Watt. That is a generational talent. I'd put him more as a Jared Allen in his prime.
Or like one of my all-time favorites...Pat Kerney.
JJ Watt may be the wrong example. Jared Allen though is in that same mold. A guy who can change the game. A guy who the other team has to game plan for. A guy on defense that will make the opposing QB come to the line and go....."ok..where is whoever?" (Watt, Allen, Lewis, etc). If Bosa can be that guy? He's the guy I want.
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The problem is...who?
Someone will pop... I don't have a name yet. But once you add any reasonable candidate it starts balancing the scale.
My "advantage" (if you want to call it that) is that I am not head over heels for Bosa. Also my advantage... I've not yet looked hard at Wentz. Still looking for something/anything wrong with Goff...
Someone will pop... I don't have a name yet. But once you add any reasonable candidate it starts balancing the scale.
My "advantage" (if you want to call it that) is that I am not head over heels for Bosa. Also my advantage... I've not yet looked hard at Wentz. Still looking for something/anything wrong with Goff...
That's what I'm afraid of, actually. Someone "popping" between now and the draft shows us what? That he's a great offseason worker, but that's likely it. For non QB's, I really don't care too much what they do between now and the draft. For QB's, I really only care about the Wonderlic and how they look throwing the ball at the combine.
I'm not head over heels for Bosa, either. I'm not an Ohio State homer, for the most part I don't really watch too much college football until after the fact for evaluation. But I think he is handly the best DE, and possibly the best prospect in general ... and that's a position of need for us.
The "problems" I have with Goff aren't necessarily problems. They are all just tiny points of contention that just keep him from being a can't miss guy.
One, I don't think he played well against the best talent he faced - a relatively minor issue. Two, he added 25 lbs. of bulk over the last season or two and he's still slight, he might not have much more to add - also a minor issue. Three, his deep accuracy leaves something to be desired...he has just as many bad deep throws as he does great ones.
And that's about it. In a bubble, that's not NEARLY enough to dissuade me from liking him. But the fact that Wentz exists, and will probably be there at #32, gives me enough to wonder about the pick. Wentz possesses nearly all of the same physical and mental gifts as Goff. IMO, the trade off is that he's less accurate on his mid-level throws and he's played against far inferior talent, but he's in a bigger frame and he would allow us to get an impact player at he top of the draft.
That's where my dilemma is.
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I just want to see the Browns usual carousel of fire staff, get a QB, fail, rinse, repeat, to just fucking stop. Draft a difference maker on D. I think Bosa looks to be that guy. Look for a QB later or pay the money to steal Denver's QB in waiting.
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I just want to see the Browns usual carousel of fire staff, get a QB, fail, rinse, repeat, to just fucking stop. Draft a difference maker on D. I think Bosa looks to be that guy. Look for a QB later or pay the money to steal Denver's QB in waiting.
I just want to see the Browns usual carousel of fire staff, get a QB, fail, rinse, repeat, to just fucking stop. Draft a difference maker on D. I think Bosa looks to be that guy. Look for a QB later or pay the money to steal Denver's QB in waiting.
We all want it to stop, which is I'm leaning towards drafting the best QB prospect to come out since 2012.
Weeden and Manziel were always a long shot to be the answer
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I just want to see the Browns usual carousel of fire staff, get a QB, fail, rinse, repeat, to just fucking stop. Draft a difference maker on D. I think Bosa looks to be that guy. Look for a QB later or pay the money to steal Denver's QB in waiting.
I just want to see the Browns usual carousel of fire staff, get a QB, fail, rinse, repeat, to just fucking stop. Draft a difference maker on D. I think Bosa looks to be that guy. Look for a QB later or pay the money to steal Denver's QB in waiting.
I don't think we have the money to steal Denver's QB in waiting.
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Someone will pop... I don't have a name yet. But once you add any reasonable candidate it starts balancing the scale.
My "advantage" (if you want to call it that) is that I am not head over heels for Bosa. Also my advantage... I've not yet looked hard at Wentz. Still looking for something/anything wrong with Goff...
That's what I'm afraid of, actually. Someone "popping" between now and the draft shows us what? That he's a great offseason worker, but that's likely it. For non QB's, I really don't care too much what they do between now and the draft. For QB's, I really only care about the Wonderlic and how they look throwing the ball at the combine.
I'm not head over heels for Bosa, either. I'm not an Ohio State homer, for the most part I don't really watch too much college football until after the fact for evaluation. But I think he is handly the best DE, and possibly the best prospect in general ... and that's a position of need for us.
The "problems" I have with Goff aren't necessarily problems. They are all just tiny points of contention that just keep him from being a can't miss guy.
One, I don't think he played well against the best talent he faced - a relatively minor issue. Two, he added 25 lbs. of bulk over the last season or two and he's still slight, he might not have much more to add - also a minor issue. Three, his deep accuracy leaves something to be desired...he has just as many bad deep throws as he does great ones.
And that's about it. In a bubble, that's not NEARLY enough to dissuade me from liking him. But the fact that Wentz exists, and will probably be there at #32, gives me enough to wonder about the pick. Wentz possesses nearly all of the same physical and mental gifts as Goff. IMO, the trade off is that he's less accurate on his mid-level throws and he's played against far inferior talent, but he's in a bigger frame and he would allow us to get an impact player at he top of the draft.
That's where my dilemma is.
That's what I'm afraid of, actually. Someone "popping" between now and the draft shows us what?
That's where my dilemma is.
I was more thinking of someone you've not yet seen/looked hard at as yet. Assumed you had a life...
I just want to see the Browns usual carousel of fire staff, get a QB, fail, rinse, repeat, to just fucking stop. Draft a difference maker on D. I think Bosa looks to be that guy. Look for a QB later or pay the money to steal Denver's QB in waiting.
Not really feeling the Brockweiller... plus as bb pointed out no better place for the wheel to stop than on the right QB.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I have seen that we have the 32nd pick? Did i miss something
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That's what I'm afraid of, actually. Someone "popping" between now and the draft shows us what?
That's where my dilemma is.
I was more thinking of someone you've not yet seen/looked hard at as yet. Assumed you had a life...
I just want to see the Browns usual carousel of fire staff, get a QB, fail, rinse, repeat, to just fucking stop. Draft a difference maker on D. I think Bosa looks to be that guy. Look for a QB later or pay the money to steal Denver's QB in waiting.
Not really feeling the Brockweiller... plus as bb pointed out no better place for the wheel to stop than on the right QB.
I was more thinking of someone you've not yet seen/looked hard at as yet. Assumed you had a life...
Not really feeling the Brockweiller... plus as bb pointed out no better place for the wheel to stop than on the right QB.
Oh. That's a possibility. I haven't watched much defensive game tape outside of the usual suspects.
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