Fail for Cardale revisited.
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No. I never said it was easy. I said the good teams find them and the BAD teams don't . If I had an entire department dedicated to scouting and drafting I could be more specific. Some teams can't get first rounders correct. The fourth and later picks that do make it were identified,scouted. then drafted. Browns have misses on multuple first rounders. Using any draft pick on Jones is"drafting like a Brown".
If you can't even rattle off a list of fourth round guys without an entire scouting department, how is anyone supposed to trust your "analysis" of Jones? I use the term "analysis" very loosely, because there has been absolutely zero analysis so far.
If you can't even rattle off a list of fourth round guys without an entire scouting department, how is anyone supposed to trust your "analysis" of Jones? I use the term "analysis" very loosely, because there has been absolutely zero analysis so far.
And how am I supposed to trust your judgment when you waxed poetically about benefit of promoting a staffer who was immediatly fired.
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If you can't even rattle off a list of fourth round guys without an entire scouting department, how is anyone supposed to trust your "analysis" of Jones? I use the term "analysis" very loosely, because there has been absolutely zero analysis so far.
And how am I supposed to trust your judgment when you waxed poetically about benefit of promoting a staffer who was immediatly fired.
And how am I supposed to trust your judgment when you waxed poetically about benefit of promoting a staffer who was immediatly fired.
The two sentences that I posted about how we should put a football guy as GM? If that's waxing poetically, then I guess I need to become a writer.
The benefit remains the same, our GM needs to be a "football guy" to counterbalance the analytical prowess of our VPOFO and new CSO. Not the other way around. We saw what happens when you take a "football guy" and put him in charge of the whole shebang - he carts his fat ass into camp, does nothing but collect a paycheck, and then leaves.
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Thread bookmarked for when he leaves in less than a year (or possibly this week). Houston won't be any more than a TCU or Baylor at best. Herman could possibly be the best coach in the 40-50 group. 50-60 has Urban. 60-70 has Saban. Yeah, that guy's gonna stay at Houston. Come on.
Thread bookmarked for when he leaves in less than a year (or possibly this week). Houston won't be any more than a TCU or Baylor at best. Herman could possibly be the best coach in the 40-50 group. 50-60 has Urban. 60-70 has Saban. Yeah, that guy's gonna stay at Houston. Come on.
TCU and Baylor are better programs at this point than Tamu.
Have you not seen the rankings for like the past decade?
And now you are going to have a successful Houston program in that state to try to keep the Houston area kids at home.
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It sounds like you're trying to convince yourself.
One needs no convincing that Cougar High does not have the tools for sustainable success at the top levels, CCU AD or not.
One needs no convincing that Cougar High does not have the tools for sustainable success at the top levels, CCU AD or not.
I smell fear in your heart. Houston's football program will surpass many in the state in Herman's long tenure.
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Thread bookmarked for when he leaves in less than a year (or possibly this week). Houston won't be any more than a TCU or Baylor at best. Herman could possibly be the best coach in the 40-50 group. 50-60 has Urban. 60-70 has Saban. Yeah, that guy's gonna stay at Houston. Come on.
TCU and Baylor are better programs at this point than Tamu.
Have you not seen the rankings for like the past decade?
And now you are going to have a successful Houston program in that state to try to keep the Houston area kids at home.
TCU and Baylor are better programs at this point than Tamu.
Have you not seen the rankings for like the past decade?
And now you are going to have a successful Houston program in that state to try to keep the Houston area kids at home.
Current success does not equate to long-term program health. We've been over this. Baylor and TCU will never ever recruit well enough to win a national championship.
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One needs no convincing that Cougar High does not have the tools for sustainable success at the top levels, CCU AD or not.
I smell fear in your heart. Houston's football program will surpass many in the state in Herman's long tenure.
I smell fear in your heart. Houston's football program will surpass many in the state in Herman's long tenure.
I fear one of our rivals getting Herman. I don't fear Houston's program.
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I smell fear in your heart. Houston's football program will surpass many in the state in Herman's long tenure.
I fear one of our rivals getting Herman. I don't fear Houston's program.
I fear one of our rivals getting Herman. I don't fear Houston's program.
I thought this was pretty funny, given this conversation.
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TCU and Baylor are better programs at this point than Tamu.
Have you not seen the rankings for like the past decade?
And now you are going to have a successful Houston program in that state to try to keep the Houston area kids at home.
Current success does not equate to long-term program health. We've been over this. Baylor and TCU will never ever recruit well enough to win a national championship.
Current success does not equate to long-term program health. We've been over this. Baylor and TCU will never ever recruit well enough to win a national championship.
They have both been in the Top ten....even higher. They are both far closer than TAMU to achieving one.
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I smell fear in your heart. Houston's football program will surpass many in the state in Herman's long tenure.
I fear one of our rivals getting Herman. I don't fear Houston's program.
I fear one of our rivals getting Herman. I don't fear Houston's program.
Except, of course, if they played TAMU right now, Houston wins.
You've been a Browns fan too long when you lose your fear of losing.
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We might lose to them. We might not. Bowl games are all about motivation. Florida State with a national championship on the line is not losing to Houston. Sorry. If you think they are, then you must also think UCONN is actually a better team than Houston.
As for TCU and Baylor: A&M's actually capable of recruiting in the top 5, which is what's necessary to win a NC (proven time and time again). We just have a bad coach. They could have the greatest coach ever (and they both actually might, those guys are amazing) and they will steal have a ceiling beneath the NC (as we've seen).
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Are you implying that 4th round starters are not found in every draft ? The good teams find them. The bad teams don't. Bengals WR Marvin Jones was a 4th round pick. Would you rather have Jones or a practice squad player ?
No, you're implying that it's seemingly easy to find them, so I'm asking you which exact ones you'd pick. Names.
Shit or get off the pot.
No, you're implying that it's seemingly easy to find them, so I'm asking you which exact ones you'd pick. Names.
Shit or get off the pot.
OK, I had to cheat. Steelers Martavius Bryant, Landry Jones both 4th round. Why they're in the playoffs, and we're drafting second.
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No, you're implying that it's seemingly easy to find them, so I'm asking you which exact ones you'd pick. Names.
Shit or get off the pot.
OK, I had to cheat. Steelers Martavius Bryant, Landry Jones both 4th round. Why they're in the playoffs, and we're drafting second.
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We might lose to them. We might not. Bowl games are all about motivation. Florida State with a national championship on the line is not losing to Houston. Sorry. If you think they are, then you must also think UCONN is actually a better team than Houston.
As for TCU and Baylor: A&M's actually capable of recruiting in the top 5, which is what's necessary to win a NC (proven time and time again). We just have a bad coach. They could have the greatest coach ever (and they both actually might, those guys are amazing) and they will steal have a ceiling beneath the NC (as we've seen).
A&M's actually capable of recruiting in the top 5, which is what's necessary to win a NC (proven time and time again). We just have a bad coach.
Impossible with a "bad coach"... but still difficult with a good one.
I grew to love and appreciate Aggie-land during my daughter's five years there, but it is an acquired taste for anyone not raised in the rural lifestyle. And that is a significant recruiting disadvantage on a national scale.
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Yes, still difficult.
Waco and "Cow town" aren't any better on the country scale, and don't sport 50K student enrollments and 100K game day crowds. I would submit Tuscaloosa, Athens, Gainesville, and auburn aren't exactly urban dreams either and they recruit very well.
But, Sumlin's only signed one top 5 class and the last guy to do it with any consistency was RC in his prime, so I guess you could be on to something.
Re: Cardale, I missed reports from after his game that he refuted the reports that he was considering transferring. So he's NFL all the way.
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Listen, I'm as bad as anyone when it comes to hyping players that come from my favorite school, but this guy isn't the answer in my opinion. From what I've seen, he's so completely raw, that he'd be a massive project. Can he make progressions? Take snaps from center? What's his work ethic like? I could be dead wrong about this kid, as I haven't seen him play much. I admit that. But from the numbers I've seen, and what little play I've watched...this guy looks like an uphill battle.
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Listen, I'm as bad as anyone when it comes to hyping players that come from my favorite school, but this guy isn't the answer in my opinion. From what I've seen, he's so completely raw, that he'd be a massive project. Can he make progressions? Take snaps from center? What's his work ethic like? I could be dead wrong about this kid, as I haven't seen him play much. I admit that. But from the numbers I've seen, and what little play I've watched...this guy looks like an uphill battle.
Listen, I'm as bad as anyone when it comes to hyping players that come from my favorite school, but this guy isn't the answer in my opinion. From what I've seen, he's so completely raw, that he'd be a massive project. Can he make progressions? Take snaps from center? What's his work ethic like? I could be dead wrong about this kid, as I haven't seen him play much. I admit that. But from the numbers I've seen, and what little play I've watched...this guy looks like an uphill battle.
Yea...I think there's a lot of lower round prospects I like more than him. Well Cardale might go 4-7, the guys I like more are probably 2-4 but still.
Wentz, Prescott, Hogan, Hackenberg, Cook.... I'd probably lean for those 5 before I went with Cardale.
Of course I'm firmly of the opinion we get Goff and be done with it - but if we don't take Goff I'd probably like to see Wentz or Prescott later on.
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We might lose to them. We might not. Bowl games are all about motivation. Florida State with a national championship on the line is not losing to Houston. Sorry. If you think they are, then you must also think UCONN is actually a better team than Houston.
As for TCU and Baylor: A&M's actually capable of recruiting in the top 5, which is what's necessary to win a NC (proven time and time again). We just have a bad coach. They could have the greatest coach ever (and they both actually might, those guys are amazing) and they will steal have a ceiling beneath the NC (as we've seen).
We might lose to them. We might not. Bowl games are all about motivation. Florida State with a national championship on the line is not losing to Houston. Sorry. If you think they are, then you must also think UCONN is actually a better team than Houston.
As for TCU and Baylor: A&M's actually capable of recruiting in the top 5, which is what's necessary to win a NC (proven time and time again). We just have a bad coach. They could have the greatest coach ever (and they both actually might, those guys are amazing) and they will steal have a ceiling beneath the NC (as we've seen).
To quote Elwood Blues.....You are looking for a wish sandwich:
Have you ever heard of a wish sandwich?
A wish sandwich is the kind of a sandwich where you have two slices of bread and you, hee hee hee, wish you had some meat...
You got no meat.
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Listen, I'm as bad as anyone when it comes to hyping players that come from my favorite school, but this guy isn't the answer in my opinion. From what I've seen, he's so completely raw, that he'd be a massive project. Can he make progressions? Take snaps from center? What's his work ethic like? I could be dead wrong about this kid, as I haven't seen him play much. I admit that. But from the numbers I've seen, and what little play I've watched...this guy looks like an uphill battle.
From what I've seen, he's so completely raw, that he'd be a massive project. Can he make progressions? Take snaps from center? What's his work ethic like? I could be dead wrong about this kid, as I haven't seen him play much. I admit that. But from the numbers I've seen, and what little play I've watched...this guy looks like an uphill battle.
Agree... verging on longshot territory when you get to Cardale. Everything in the 2015 season says that... but then there's that period at the end of 2014 when he caught lightening in a bottle. So if you can recreate the circumstances, the player, that produced those results, then you have something.
And you can answer most of the questions you posed through interviews, workouts and research/investigation.
That said... I do not think we are in a position to take that chance. Sign him as an FA ala Conner Shaw? Sure... but Cardale is not falling that far and as bb wrote, there are much higher probability prospects.
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