Jonathan Paul Manziel

Axe

Oh sweet baby Jesus, PLEASE let this happen... This is just a warm up act for what the Billy Manziel act could produce in Dallas

Canton Mike

The problem is that the Browns can't trade him until the draft in late April.

I was behind Johnny & still think the talent is there, but the drama, distractions, & negative perceptions of the Browns have to go. As long as he is here, those negatives stay.

What will Jerry spend? Will the Browns cut him, trade him, or keep him? CAN they afford to wait until draft day?

We'll just have to wait & see what the new FO decides.

Mike

Johnny Fingers Farmer

Full disclosure: Teams I'd love Billy boy to land with. Steelers, Cowboys & Patriots. I have every confidence that when Billy boy said "let's wreck this league" he was referring to ruining one team at a time.

I don't know why any GM would want to give up a draft pick for someone that they could just wait and pick up in FA. The Cowboys have the 4th pick anyways they could easily trade up or stay put drafting a QB with more talent and less baggage.

hoorta

@furious-styles said:

Anyone talk to Phil yet ?

Browns fan (Phil) reacts to Manziel pick:

I sorta threw up when the pick was announced. Fact.

@browns52 said:
never saw anyone on concussion protocol put on a wig and mustache.....man o man...cmon man.....

He was concussed, and not himself. Really, just call him Johnny Devious.

wargograw

I thought Jalyn Smith was only a junior anyway?

hoorta

@atenears said:
Sadly though, he is the most "entertainment value" of this franchise. Although the poster-boy of all that has gone wrong with this franchise since 1996 ... and that is really saying something to be vaulted at the top of that class at this stage of the fiasco. I'm starting to really like this guy now. He's freaking crazy! I'm not sure that I'm sane, or you're sane (for being here, still engaged in this franchise). I was numb, but now I'm glued to this circus ... this is unbelievable.

Stan- I was on record when they drafted JFF- "You draft him, you're bringing the circus to town along with him." TOOT, TOOT, hate to blow my own horn, but damned if I wasn't right. Enjoy the Circus while you can, it's leaving town shortly.

@stillmotion said:
or maybe he just thought he could get away with it with the instagram post saying he was in avon and all, and being slick.
or maybe the kid is just a crazy alcoholic, mentally unstable, the biggest bust of the century, and the next ryan leaf.

I vote for the former, and he'll never be as big a bust as Leaf- he was drafted around 18 slots lower.

@mddawg said:

Not surprised at all. Bill Belichick's scouting report about the "outlaw Manziels" was correct after all. Johnny's displaying a dangerous combination of alcoholism and privilege. His family's always considered themselves above the law so sucker Jimmy forces his front office and coaching staff to draft this jerk (reports now say Carr was Pettine's preferred QB) and this is how he repays Haslam.

Botttomline is it serves Haslam right but now we have many families losing their jobs without recompense (junior coaching staff, front office grunts) because of this selfish pr**k.

Yeah- assuming Pettine is right about Carr, then Haslam repays him for being right by firing him.

@mark-o said:

Acting like a jackass and lying to your team about where you are and what you're doing and trying to cover it up isn't exactly going to endear him to other team owners and coaches.

Johnny is in serious denial about his substance abuse problem. (or maybe not) If the report about him showing up Wednesday for the qb meeting smashed is true (I don't doubt it) JFF may have said to himself- screw it- I know I'm f**ked. Mark- it's D-Nile, and then lying to cover it up on top of it- classic behavior.

Opal312

Did you know he's hiding out in his home in Avon Lake with a sheet on his door. FanSided showed a picture of his front door that was published by TMZ.

THEY ALSO POSTED A PIC OF HIM SHOPPING FOR WINE AND POTATO CHIPS

Doesn't TMZ have anything better to do.

Opal312

Dallas has the fourth pick and Jerrah has intimated he'd take a QB. No team in their right mind wants Johnny Baggage. Maybe Chip Kelly takes a flier if he lands the SanFrancisco job.

RG3 can't stay healthy, His teammates hated him but he's still better than Manziel.

Chip Kelly is still the wildcard ( or Joker) in this year's coaching carousel. Knowing Kelly he'll take both these guys to wherever he lands.

The Rams need a quarterback, San Francisco, Browns, Chicago might want one, Houston will need to draft one too

And finally, if I was Indy, I would at least get a backup.

Bottom line,for Dallas: they'll work out RG3 and Manziel,then draft a QB.

AS LONG AS,IT IS NOT CARDALE

gftChris

VesnaKociper said:

This is like finding out that BOTH Oprah Winfrey and Whoopie Goldberg want to be your prom date.

Wow, I bet Jerry Jones is just shitting himself over these two great opportunities. A run-first cripple.........A POS punk.

Both garbage.

You're forgetting that Jerry Jones is way in to middle aged big black women (in this analogy).

Westside Steve

Well if you can set aside the personal beef that you guys have had since johnny was drafted you must admit that he has shown potential and has actually played and won in 2015. There must be some reason that rg3 never even saw the field.

And at least some of you guys wanted him here.

One would assume Reginald is harder to get along with, teamwise, than Johnny.

I'd bet Washington fans would have more information.

WSS

gftChris

@westside-steve said:

Well if you can set aside the personal beef that you guys have had since johnny was drafted you must admit that he has shown potential and has actually played and won in 2015. There must be some reason that rg3 never even saw the field.

And at least some of you guys wanted him here.

One would assume Reginald is harder to get along with, teamwise, than Johnny.

I'd bet Washington fans would have more information.

WSS

I think RG3's problem was that he was front and centre in a tug of power between Snyder and The Shanahans, and generally wasn't that good. Snyder wanted to build the franchise around him, Shanahans didn't, and RG3 suffered. He hasn't done or said anything that indicates bad teammate as far as I can remember.

With Johnny, he's shown progress as a player, to the point where now we're like 'OK, maybe this guy can be decent in the future' and his team mates were all pleased with the attitude, in the building. But, he keeps giving the finger to those same team mates by just not really caring when he's outside the building. Like JT said, he wants the Browns to be the most important thing in his QB's life, and it's clear that Manziel's priorities lie elsewhere, and he's sure it'll be addressed in the offseason.

Westside Steve

I assume players are not allowed to talk to other teams while they are under contract.

If they were I'm sure Johnny could convince Jerry that the reason he wanted out of Cleveland was the fact the coach dislike him and kept him off the field for spite.

He did fairly well here and should do a lor better with a strong team where he will assumedly be the heir apparent to Tony Romo.

So is the behavior a result of his perceived vote of no confidence by the team administration or systemic within himself?

The answer to that riddle will tell the story of whether he successful or not.

There is always the chance the new staff here will see him as the quarterback of the future and his attitude may change.

Or not.

WSS

Westside Steve

I don't see that as a finger toward his teammates, I don't think they care that much. I'd assume his relationships with them in the locker room and on the field are what they care about. The coaching staff and the PR team are a different story.

One thought about the Vegas trip; I'm sure he smelled the smoke about his guy ray farmer about to be shown the door.

WSS

gftChris

@westside-steve said:

I don't see that as a finger toward his teammates, I don't think they care that much. I'd assume his relationships with them in the locker room and on the field are what they care about. The coaching staff and the PR team are a different story.

One thought about the Vegas trip; I'm sure he smelled the smoke about his guy ray farmer about to be shown the door.

WSS

Seemed like big Joe was pretty pissed off:

“If that’s a true report that’s obvious for him some things are more important than football and being a starting quarterback and that’s something that probably needs to be addressed in the offseason,” left tackle Joe Thomas said.

When asked what he’d like to see from Manziel in the future, Thomas replied: “Just a commitment to the game, that’s the biggest thing. I just want to know the Cleveland Browns are the most important thing in that person’s life.”

And Thomas is a bit of a gentle giant. Can't imagine Dansby took it too well, or Whitner, or guys that are really invested.

sisky fringo

if Johnny truly did show up to a meeting drunk, i bet they care quite a bit. if nothing else the favoritism and double standard would drive a teammate crazy.

also, the days where Night Train Lane could go m.i.a. then show up an hour before a game and win it are ancient history, today's playbooks would eat him alive.

to me JmfM's antics are more because he wants out and doesn't care about repercussions rather than addiction, but I could be wrong. orchestrating a release this way while still maintaining other NFL team's respect for him even surpasses Kosar's wiley draft manipulation. if he ends up back in Texas somehow his maneuvering will not just be admired, it will be legendary.

because of this--for better or for worse--letting him out won't allow the Browns to save face if true. it says to the public that he rejected Cleveland and the Browns, and got away with all of it.

as backwards as it may feel, keeping him as a backup is the only way to maintain some respect for the organization in my opinion.

sisky fringo

@opal312 said:
Doesn't TMZ have anything better to do.

what should the paparazzi and the tabloids be doing rather than their jobs?

lodilobo

Early on, I was thrilled with the draft pick of Manziel. Last season showed me that he really did not have the talent or desire needed to play in the NFL. All this crap that has happened lately should be more than enough to convince the most devoted follower of Johnny Football, that the kid is a joke, and there is no chance that he will ever be even an average qb in the NFL. For anyone to suggest that Manziel has some brilliant scheme to get out of Cleveland is about as far fetched and ridiculous as you can get. Even though I'm a firm believer that there are aliens living and working among us, I refuse to believe this crap. This is just a concoction of some of you JM fans because you can't believe that he could really be that dumb. Well...he is that dumb. Deal with it. We need to cut this loser immediately, and let someone else deal with him. If Jerry Jones is willing to give it a shot, then so be it. I refuse to believe that until I see it happen.

Westside Steve

Chris I'm sure there are members of the team who are annoyed. Still Joe Thomas is the kind of guy who praises him when he worked hard. I'm sure he's disappointed if in fact these actions are indicative Johnny's cavalier attitude toward the game, as opposed to a way out of a place he felt he wasn't wanted.

Rumor has it he's well liked among some other players. Who knows?

Sisky I mostly agree with that.

Imagine a player from Cleveland drafted by the Dallas Cowboys who got and round up getting dumped or traded to the Browns and took us to the playoffs. Nobody would care if he fucked a sheep in downtown Dallas to get out.

WSS

TexasAg1969

@mark-o said:
if i'm the Cowboys...I take RGIII all day long and twice on Sundays.

LOL. Yeah, I want two brittle QB's all the way to the Superbowl. Naa!!

sisky fringo

@lodilobo said:

For anyone to suggest that Manziel has some brilliant scheme to get out of Cleveland is about as far fetched and ridiculous as you can get. Even though I'm a firm believer that there are aliens living and working among us, I refuse to believe this crap.

you firmly believe there are ET's not only present but fully integrated into our society but Johnny orchestrating a release is about as far fetched and ridiculous as it gets?

part of me likes your firm beliefs.

another part of me wonders why you think this is harder to believe than your ET example.

to me it's not even far fetched or difficult to imagine. i've personally done crazier, many times.

and i'm no JmfM apologist but i disagree you can not draw those strong conclusions about his talent from a rookie year plagued by staff infighting and Hoyer resentments. Drew Brees', Paul Warfield's, and Gary Barnidge's do exist after all.