Jonathan Paul Manziel
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The media circus was brought on by Johnny himself.
Not exactly accurate. His whole Heisman season he was never allowed to address the media as is Sumlin's policy for all true and redshirt freshmen. No one ever heard a peep out of him until the Heisman acceptance speech. He did all the talking with his play, not with his fake dead girlfriend like Manti T'eo. He was not the one who invented Johnny Football. Others did and the media circus created itself around that Legend.
Now did he perpetuate it? Different question and yes he certainly did AFTER he finished at A&M.
Ah... so there's no downside to keeping JM... good to know.
No one ever heard a peep out of him until the Heisman acceptance speech. He was not the one who invented Johnny Football. Others did and the media circus created itself around that Legend.
Now did he perpetuate it? Different question and yes he certainly did AFTER he finished at A&M.
So JFF was not a HS manifestation which he embraced and perpetuated?
And he was never arrested for "failing to properly identify himself to police"?*
And he never used (money)sign-language until he walked across the Radio City stage?
Feels like more revisionist history going on here than in two chapters of a Texas HS History book...
*Just realized how the recent Vegas disguise is just another step towards squaring this circle.
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Oh No! Not the money sign again!
WSS
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probably not.....but maybe your interpretation of Tours sarcastic comment was.....
I'm English mate, make of that what you will, I'm sure it increases any opinion of my cluelessness, knock me on sarcasm, fair enough, don't get me started on your american lack of understanding IRONY though!! ?
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I wouldn't call myself a "Johnny Apologist", but I was definitely a "Johnny Hopeful". I was hopeful that he'd put it together. I was hopeful that our search for a QB was over. I was hoping, beyond hope, that Johnny had enough wake up calls and knew that he was getting down to his last chance with our team. Obviously, I was wrong. My hope was severely displaced, and Johnny couldn't change. While technically still on our team, it's safe to say that Manziel will be traded for a $5 footlong or simply cut from our roster. Yet another first round pick that washes out in two years. The list is getting quite ugly.
I've spoken about addiction before, and I'll make mention of it again. Many weeks ago when Johnny had that incident with his girlfriend, Mary Kay Cabot wrote an article which specifically stated Manziel should immediately go back into rehab. She was chided and she took some heat. After all, she's not the...uh...best reporter out there (in many eyes), but it appears that she could actually be right for once. Not many addicts get sobriety right the first time, in fact, few do. The vast majority of addicts that get treatment show improvement temporarily, but then drift back to their old habits. Slowly at first, and then before they know it, they're actually WORSE than they were originally. Manipulating people, lying, and covering tracks are all staples of addictive behavior. I could be wrong, and I obviously have zero inside information, but if I was a betting man, I'd wager Manziel is not complying with his treatment plan. He's not going to meetings. He's not speaking with his sponsor. He's not doing the things he was taught in his 10 weeks of rehab.
Many people don't believe that addiction is a type of disease. After all, people were born with free will, and Johnny is choosing to drink, lie, cheat, and party. Yes, but it's not that simple. Addiction IS a disease, and it's an awful one. In fact, it's the only disease I can think of that actually causes the brain to tell the person they DON'T HAVE IT. Think about that for a second. If he's an addict, and it appears that he is, Johnny's brain is telling him that he doesn't have a problem. That people are blowing it out of proportion. That most men in their 20's like to party, and why should he be different? There is a good chance that Johnny is very ill. That he needs treatment. Did the Chiefs cut Eric Berry after his cancer diagnosis? Of course not. But what if cancer made someone inclined to lie, to cheat, and to act like a jerk. Would it be different then?
Before people start to tell me how different the circumstances are, I realize they have many discrepancies between them, but I also see the similarities. I see someone with great athletic ability who is afflicted with a terrible disease. I see this disease tearing his life apart, and taking his dreams from him. Many of us either know someone close to us who struggled with addiction, or we ourselves did. It's THAT common. The easy thing to do would be to trade him or cut him. Let another team deal with the drama, and let's start the building process over again.
I've written several statements on here saying I'm completely done with Manziel, and that I didn't even want to write his name. But I think I've changed my mind. If he changes his tune, if he makes a serious CONTINUED commitment to getting better, than I say to keep him. That's right, let's keep the kid. I would think the entire world thinks we should get rid of him. As evidence of our recent personnel hires, we don't do what people expect anymore. Our coaches aren't babysitters, and our players shouldn't have to be hammered with questions regarding Manziel...I get that. But at the same time, I see a young man in trouble. Bigger trouble than maybe he thinks. Addicts that don't receive treatment, and don't ALWAYS work on their affliction wind up in three places: jails, institutions, and cemeteries. I want him to turn it around. Not just because he's a first round pick, but because we can help him...if he decides to help himself. I'm sure I'll get panned for this, but Johnny is somebody's son. As much of a privileged, arrogant, unapologetic prick as he appears to be....I still want him to have a good life.
I totally agree with you, EXCEPT keeping him. If the Browns do keep him, so be it, but as Chris Carter has said many times, the best thing that ever happened to him was getting cut by the Eagles. He said that is when he "hit bottom", got the help he needed, & stuck to it. Getting dropped from the LeBron James tree might do it, but I think it might take more, such as getting his walking papers. That MAY do Johnny "the person" a huge favor, but only time will tell. At this point, I'm of the belief that his remaining a Brown will only enable & possibly escalate his downhill slide.
All this being said, that's just my opinion.
Mike
lol... more if he has been, then he'd know what the site's #1 hater's (maybe #2?) position is...
I totally agree with you, EXCEPT keeping him. If the Browns do keep him, so be it, but as Chris Carter has said many times, the best thing that ever happened to him was getting cut by the Eagles.
I get where you are coming from, but didn't Carter's release come as a surprise? Didn't he want and expect to continue to play for Philly? That does not appear to be the case now.
And I have no idea what Carter's endorsement deals entailed or what management firm (if any) he was signed with, but from all appearances JM idolized LBJ. So if the drop already on the books is not the "cold slap in the face" JM needed, then I don't think anything the Browns might do will reach him.
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probably not.....but maybe your interpretation of Tours sarcastic comment was.....
I'm English mate, make of that what you will, I'm sure it increases any opinion of my cluelessness, knock me on sarcasm, fair enough, don't get me started on your american lack of understanding IRONY though!! ?
I'm English mate, make of that what you will, I'm sure it increases any opinion of my cluelessness, knock me on sarcasm, fair enough, don't get me started on your american lack of understanding IRONY though!!
I mean, are you like Alaniss Morrisette or somebody, lecturing us on Irony?
Irony is the fact that Churchill invented the term Iron Curtain....but that it was Gorbachev and Lech Walesa that dropped that curtain. (and not Reagan as some of his supporters think)
It is irony that it was the guy that created the Steel Curtain, Chuck Noll who was the one to drop it.
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This is pretty early as of yet, but I can sense myself becoming more "all in" on Goff at 2.
It'd be cool to think we could grab Bosa there and someone like Wentz with the second pick... But I fear waiting too long and ending up compromising in a bad way AGAIN at the QB position. I'm liking Goff more than Mariota or Winston last season. I think it'd be a win.
I'd be more inclined to go all in on Goff if:
1) McCown didn't look as good as he did this year
2) there weren't so many QB's in this draft
3) there weren't some seemingly solid prospects in the next few years
4) Bosa wasn't in this draft
I really like Rosen, his passes are as effortless as Goff's, he's just as athletic, he has just as much poise, and he's only a freshman. With this trajectory and excluding any sort of injury, he's going to likely be the top QB...and maybe top overall pick... in whatever draft he comes out.
Not that I don't like Goff, he could possibly be the next Aaron Rodgers (I see more Flacco, though). He's very impressive and I've always been a proponent of "if he's your guy, get him."
But I think Rosen is THE guy, and I wouldn't be opposed to letting it ride with McCown for two years, taking a guy in the second or third as a project, and getting some immediate impact playmakers at other positions.
I really like Rosen, his passes are as effortless as Goff's, he's just as athletic, he has just as much poise, and he's only a freshman. With this trajectory and excluding any sort of injury, he's going to likely be the top QB...and maybe top overall pick... in whatever draft he comes out.
Lord help us if two or three-years down the road we are anywhere near being in position to tab a #1 overall QB who is The One.
I think Johnny was bad for Pettine and the entire organization, but I agree it's definitely not the reason he lost his job.
Regardless we're here - talking coach, GM, and draft prospects.
Not THE reason, but certainly a contributing factor. The time Pet was forced to spend dealing with JFF was just the tip of the iceberg.
Here's to the HC search...
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No, I say KEEP him. Worried about how he makes us look bad? We have never looked nothing but bad since we came back, and we swap coaches every other year, That makes us look bad, we change QB's 3 times a year, that makes us look bad, Give me a fucking break, ya TRADE TRADE TRADE , tell me how that would fucking fix ANYTHING?
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No, I say KEEP him. Worried about how he makes us look bad? We have never looked nothing but bad since we came back, and we swap coaches every other year, That makes us look bad, we change QB's 3 times a year, that makes us look bad, Give me a fucking break, ya TRADE TRADE TRADE , tell me how that would fucking fix ANYTHING?
No, I say KEEP him. Worried about how he makes us look bad? We have never looked nothing but bad since we came back, and we swap coaches every other year, That makes us look bad, we change QB's 3 times a year, that makes us look bad, Give me a fucking break, ya TRADE TRADE TRADE , tell me how that would fucking fix ANYTHING?
Trading Manziel is the logical solution for people have been "against him" since draft day. (personal egotistical reasons) -- While he's an idiot off the field, he has proved he's not a bust on it.
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I agree all the way. he is not a quitter on the field and wants to win, So what he does off the field who fucking cares, Not like he got accused of rape or sexual assault.
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I'm English mate, make of that what you will, I'm sure it increases any opinion of my cluelessness, knock me on sarcasm, fair enough, don't get me started on your american lack of understanding IRONY though!!
I mean, are you like Alaniss Morrisette or somebody, lecturing us on Irony?
Irony is the fact that Churchill invented the term Iron Curtain....but that it was Gorbachev and Lech Walesa that dropped that curtain. (and not Reagan as some of his supporters think)
It is irony that it was the guy that created the Steel Curtain, Chuck Noll who was the one to drop it.
The only American with a good sense of irony I've ever known is Bill Hicks, get over itI mean, are you like Alaniss Morrisette or somebody, lecturing us on Irony?
Irony is the fact that Churchill invented the term Iron Curtain....but that it was Gorbachev and Lech Walesa that dropped that curtain. (and not Reagan as some of his supporters think)
It is irony that it was the guy that created the Steel Curtain, Chuck Noll who was the one to drop it.
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I agree all the way. he is not a quitter on the field and wants to win, So what he does off the field who fucking cares, Not like he got accused of rape or sexual assault.
I agree all the way. he is not a quitter on the field and wants to win, So what he does off the field who fucking cares, Not like he got accused of rape or sexual assault.
Some people care, a lot. So much so there is a Channel 19 news crew camped out in front of his house (has been ALL WEEK), trying to get him to answer questions about his whereabouts last weekend. He messed up again if he went to Vegas and missed a concussion treatment/meeting (but the story is hilarious). I'd have him on a zero tolerance policy moving forward if he was retained.
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All the mocks I am following have now changed our pick to Goff, some have Bosa at 1. Some are now talking teams could try to jump the Browns to get Goff. We could give Tenn Joe Thomas, Johnny and Gordon for their #1 then we have 1 and 2, get Bosa and Goff then Taylor Decker at 32.
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All the mocks I am following have now changed our pick to Goff, some have Bosa at 1. Some are now talking teams could try to jump the Browns to get Goff. We could give Tenn Joe Thomas, Johnny and Gordon for their #1 then we have 1 and 2, get Bosa and Goff then Taylor Decker at 32.
All the mocks I am following have now changed our pick to Goff, some have Bosa at 1. Some are now talking teams could try to jump the Browns to get Goff. We could give Tenn Joe Thomas, Johnny and Gordon for their #1 then we have 1 and 2, get Bosa and Goff then Taylor Decker at 32.
Why would they need Johnny?
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All the mocks I am following have now changed our pick to Goff, some have Bosa at 1. Some are now talking teams could try to jump the Browns to get Goff. We could give Tenn Joe Thomas, Johnny and Gordon for their #1 then we have 1 and 2, get Bosa and Goff then Taylor Decker at 32.
Why would they need Johnny?
Why would they need Johnny?
why get technical? hes a throw in they need Thomas sweeten the pot to make it worth a #1
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lol... more if he has been, then he'd know what the site's #1 hater's (maybe #2?) position is...
I totally agree with you, EXCEPT keeping him. If the Browns do keep him, so be it, but as Chris Carter has said many times, the best thing that ever happened to him was getting cut by the Eagles.
I get where you are coming from, but didn't Carter's release come as a surprise? Didn't he want and expect to continue to play for Philly? That does not appear to be the case now.
And I have no idea what Carter's endorsement deals entailed or what management firm (if any) he was signed with, but from all appearances JM idolized LBJ. So if the drop already on the books is not the "cold slap in the face" JM needed, then I don't think anything the Browns might do will reach him.
lol... more if he has been, then he'd know what the site's #1 hater's (maybe #2?) position is...
I get where you are coming from, but didn't Carter's release come as a surprise? Didn't he want and expect to continue to play for Philly? That does not appear to be the case now.
And I have no idea what Carter's endorsement deals entailed or what management firm (if any) he was signed with, but from all appearances JM idolized LBJ. So if the drop already on the books is not the "cold slap in the face" JM needed, then I don't think anything the Browns might do will reach him.
I have to agree with you. My gut tells me Johnny is trying to get out of Cleveland, but the LBJ drop was TOTALLY unexpected. I think little Mr big ego just got kicked in the nuts (welcome to REAL life Johnny) & we'll see what happens.
Mike
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Not one Football writer or analyst thinks this year's Class Of QB's is worth a first round pick. I agree! Both Lynch and Goff are recommended to sit and learn. Goff is more pro ready than Lynch. If your going to take someone who needs to sit and learn why not take Cardale Jones in the 2nd round. Jones is a beast 6'5" 250. He has a cannon for an arm and is more accurate than Goff and Lynch.
I remember how Mel Kiper Jr hyped Jimmy Clausen and the Panthers took the bait. These sports "experts" must get kick backs to hype a guy like Lynch. He's terrible. His start of the season was great considering the level of competition. He was horrible against a bad Auburn team. He's a project that shouldn't be drafted until the third round.
If the Browns rush to take another loser at QB I will be surprised. Keep McCown and go after Jones.
Maybe trade For McCarron or Garapolo. Who were available but passed on. Thanks Farmer.
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Why would they need Johnny?
why get technical? hes a throw in they need Thomas sweeten the pot to make it worth a #1
why get technical? hes a throw in they need Thomas sweeten the pot to make it worth a #1
Can't tell if serious or joking...
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I agree all the way. he is not a quitter on the field and wants to win, So what he does off the field who fucking cares, Not like he got accused of rape or sexual assault.
Some people care, a lot. So much so there is a Channel 19 news crew camped out in front of his house (has been ALL WEEK), trying to get him to answer questions about his whereabouts last weekend. He messed up again if he went to Vegas and missed a concussion treatment/meeting (but the story is hilarious). I'd have him on a zero tolerance policy moving forward if he was retained.
Some people care, a lot. So much so there is a Channel 19 news crew camped out in front of his house (has been ALL WEEK), trying to get him to answer questions about his whereabouts last weekend. He messed up again if he went to Vegas and missed a concussion treatment/meeting (but the story is hilarious). I'd have him on a zero tolerance policy moving forward if he was retained.
Mike, Johnnie's already been on a zero tolerance policy. How many more chances does he deserve? MHO is none, unless he does another rehab stint- starting around now.
Um, it's a different scenario than Gordon, who's already proved he can play at a high level in the league, something that can't be said about Manziel. Haven't heard a peep about Josh- and assuming the silence lasts a couple more months, we have ourselves a genuine, porcupine #1 WR.
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I agree all the way. he is not a quitter on the field and wants to win, So what he does off the field who fucking cares, Not like he got accused of rape or sexual assault.
Some people care, a lot. So much so there is a Channel 19 news crew camped out in front of his house (has been ALL WEEK), trying to get him to answer questions about his whereabouts last weekend. He messed up again if he went to Vegas and missed a concussion treatment/meeting (but the story is hilarious). I'd have him on a zero tolerance policy moving forward if he was retained.
Some people care, a lot. So much so there is a Channel 19 news crew camped out in front of his house (has been ALL WEEK), trying to get him to answer questions about his whereabouts last weekend. He messed up again if he went to Vegas and missed a concussion treatment/meeting (but the story is hilarious). I'd have him on a zero tolerance policy moving forward if he was retained.
Glad you're on board.
Thanks for telling us all to "Shut.The.Fuck.Up" and that we are all "miserable pussies who deserve the losing" the last time we saw a red flag.
I guess maybe it was OK to be concerned after all.
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