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  • gftChris gftChrisG
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    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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    On the interception percentage - Josh McBrown's is 1.4%. That's nestled neatly alongside Aaron Rodgers and Brandon Weeden, both also on 1.4%

    http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-interception-rates/2015/

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      bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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      The picture looks pretty bleak if we fail in the draft.

      I said before if we get 2013 versions of Gordon, Gipson, Haden, Mack then things look a lot better for us. Especially if we get the 2015 Benji - but keeping Gipson, Mack, and Benji is questonable at this point. Getting Haden, Gipson, Mack back to their pro bowl level might be equally questionable.

      I really, really hope we keep Schwartz...Another homegrown talent I'd hate to see walk for nothing.

      Dansby will probably stay next year because what's the alternative - we probably have bigger needs to fill this year than finding his replacement - unless there's a lower end guy we think can develop into a solid center piece. I see QB/DE/OLB with picks #2/#32 as it sits right now.

      McCown is staying no matter what, but I also see us drafting a QB no matter what - likely there at #2 overall. He was very smart with the football this year and is more than good enough to win football games - he's just a couple years from retirement though. Great guy to have in a Browns uni - more of a player-coach.

      Shelton has all the makings to develop into a solid anchor on the DL - despite the haters. A bit more practice on technique and maybe hitting the weights in an off season might see a supreme sophomore year.

      Many of the others are TBD...but I like some of the things we've seen from Orchard, Cooper, Desir, DJohnson, and Kirksey

      Really I don't think the picture is as bleak or the sky is falling as much as everyone seems to think. We're not 1 year away, but we aren't 5 either from being competitive in the division.

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        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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        Another thing to consider is that if Schwartz leaves, we will be in position to draft either Bosa or, more pertinently, Laremy Tunsil, the consensus top tackle in the draft. He could slot in at RT, giving us the eventual successor to JT when he retires, or is traded.

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          Another thing to consider is that if Schwartz leaves, we will be in position to draft either Bosa or, more pertinently, Laremy Tunsil, the consensus top tackle in the draft. He could slot in at RT, giving us the eventual successor to JT when he retires, or is traded.

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          bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by bbedward
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          @gftchris said:

          Another thing to consider is that if Schwartz leaves, we will be in position to draft either Bosa or, more pertinently, Laremy Tunsil, the consensus top tackle in the draft. He could slot in at RT, giving us the eventual successor to JT when he retires, or is traded.

          My boner is for Goff, but the Titans are proably about 50/50 for Tunsil/Bosa. I see them leaning towards Tunsil but who knows.

          Regardless, it'd suck to have to draft a high-end OT prospect to replace one that we let walk in FA.

          Bitonio very well may be JT's successor when he asks for a trade or retires, too. Erving would likely be Mack's successor - given our current roster anyway.

          I dig Calhoun at #32 at the moment as well as a Bosa consolation prize, but he may not fall that far.

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            Another thing to consider is that if Schwartz leaves, we will be in position to draft either Bosa or, more pertinently, Laremy Tunsil, the consensus top tackle in the draft. He could slot in at RT, giving us the eventual successor to JT when he retires, or is traded.

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            jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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            @gftchris said:

            Another thing to consider is that if Schwartz leaves, we will be in position to draft either Bosa or, more pertinently, Laremy Tunsil, the consensus top tackle in the draft. He could slot in at RT, giving us the eventual successor to JT when he retires, or is traded.

            Ya know, I didn't even think about that, and it's worth considering. It might not be a sexy pick, but it would be vital to both our running game and the eventual progression of a young QB (whenever we take one). To your previous post, I too am more than happy to roll with McCown rather than "force" an early draft pick for a QB UNLESS we absolutely love one.

            I would also trade back in the draft, but NOT very far. I don't see this happening this year unless somebody falls in love with either Goff or Lynch, but it's a possibility. I wouldn't go further back than around the 10-12 range.

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              gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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              For a while my draft wants have been:

              1. Bosa

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              Maybe Goff

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              Meh

              If Bosa's not there, I'm all about trading down. You can probably pick up a great player down until about #5 - Bosa, Tunsil, Hargreaves, Ramsay, and previously Jaylon Smith would be good value. As it is, there are some good players available, though depending on how we handle free agency, not necessarily at a position of great need.

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                Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                Interesting read...

                I'd take issue with the categorization of two players: Des Bryant as "Not" and Barn as "Foundational".

                "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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                  T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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                  I think all Superbowl teams are built on defense first. I really like Cooper's and Orchard's upsides and agree with the article that adding Bosa to that mix along with Selton really gives us a huge upside. The hard decision will be at pick #2 for us. If we trust Josh Gordon then a later round WR makes sense. Of course I still think adding Henry as a power inside player opens this offense up because he has to be accounted for every play running, receiving or blocking. In the game tonight take a look at his pass blocking skills. Nothing to sneeze at and something our team lacks totally with our current backs who tend to get run over in route to the QB.

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                    I think all Superbowl teams are built on defense first. I really like Cooper's and Orchard's upsides and agree with the article that adding Bosa to that mix along with Selton really gives us a huge upside. The hard decision will be at pick #2 for us. If we trust Josh Gordon then a later round WR makes sense. Of course I still think adding Henry as a power inside player opens this offense up because he has to be accounted for every play running, receiving or blocking. In the game tonight take a look at his pass blocking skills. Nothing to sneeze at and something our team lacks totally with our current backs who tend to get run over in route to the QB.

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                    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                    @texasag1969 said:

                    ... pass blocking skills... something our team lacks totally with our current backs who tend to get run over in route to the QB.

                    Not even close to true, Ag...

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                      MasterDogM MasterDog wrote on last edited by MasterDog
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                      The word "Foundation" should not be lumped with "Manziel" .

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                        The word "Foundation" should not be lumped with "Manziel" .

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                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                        @masterdog said:

                        The word "Foundation" should not be lumped with "Manziel" .

                        It's not...

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                          @texasag1969 said:

                          ... pass blocking skills... something our team lacks totally with our current backs who tend to get run over in route to the QB.

                          Not even close to true, Ag...

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                          T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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                          @tour2ma said:

                          Not even close to true, Ag...

                          Seems several times a game our RB's got run over or slipped right past. Did I miss something this season? Seems like multiple times I recall our QB getting his clock cleaned and either the RB was not there when he should have been or had one of the other two options happen. At any rate Henry has been trained by a pro coach to be a real blocking asset on plays when he does not carry the ball. And in his case size & strength do matter-a lot.

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