Star Wars: TFA, Spoiler Alerts
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You are making an assumption about who the mother of Rey is based on fan fiction. I don't know if Lucas/Abrams are going to pull out a concept from a fan fiction forum.....no matter how logical your assumption is....and how many clues there are that its true. (Luke's lightsaber responding to her...R2D2 respoding to her presence) And I agree, it is logical.
The "fan fiction" was actually canon up until this movie was released and, while Lucas himself didn't come up with the concepts or stories, he did at least give his mark of approval on the overarching plot points (births, deaths, etc.) Lucas even used elements from the EU when making the prequels. It's more than a fan fic forum, it's been an entire series of published books and video games, all with the consent of Lucasfilms and, in most cases, their logo and backing on it.
I think there will be general aspects used - there already have been (Ben abandoning his training and taking on a dark moniker). I think we'll see that Rey is Luke's daughter, Ren killed Luke's Jedi wife and the young Jedi apprentices because of favoritism/rage, and that Luke shipped her to Jakku to protect her.
Once again, in regards to the issues that some folks are having with it being very similar to ANH... I think that is the exact point. I think it's a metaphor - we are destined to repeat the sins of our fathers, the faces and names change but the events cycle over time. The father teaches the son, the son tries to be better than/overtake his father, the son kills the father, the son has his own son and becomes the father, repeat as nauseum. Star Wars is and always has been heavy-handed with the father/son symbolism.
Luke/ Vader. Vader meaning father. Anakin literally having no father, then Obi Wan basically becoming his father. Han/Ren. Jango/Boba. The Master/Padawan relationship, etc.
Anakin had no father, then Obi Wan takes him under his wing. Anakin even says as much in Episode 2, saying he's basically his father. Then Anakin is forced to kill Obi Wan. Luke is forced time and again to fight his father, tying to defeat him, which he ultimately does. Ren taking out Han is just the next step in the same line...for two reasons.
1 - because Star Wars has to have that father/son conflict
2 - fans would revolt even more if Luke had become evil and had to be Killed.
The "fan fiction" was actually canon up until this movie was released and, while Lucas himself didn't come up with the concepts or stories, he did at least give his mark of approval on the overarching plot points (births, deaths, etc.) Lucas even used elements from the EU when making the prequels. It's more than a fan fic forum, it's been an entire series of published books and video games, all with the consent of Lucasfilms and, in most cases, their logo and backing on it.
I think there will be general aspects used - there already have been (Ben abandoning his training and taking on a dark moniker). I think we'll see that Rey is Luke's daughter, Ren killed Luke's Jedi wife and the young Jedi apprentices because of favoritism/rage, and that Luke shipped her to Jakku to protect her.
Once again, in regards to the issues that some folks are having with it being very similar to ANH... I think that is the exact point. I think it's a metaphor - we are destined to repeat the sins of our fathers, the faces and names change but the events cycle over time. The father teaches the son, the son tries to be better than/overtake his father, the son kills the father, the son has his own son and becomes the father, repeat as nauseum. Star Wars is and always has been heavy-handed with the father/son symbolism.
Luke/ Vader. Vader meaning father. Anakin literally having no father, then Obi Wan basically becoming his father. Han/Ren. Jango/Boba. The Master/Padawan relationship, etc.
Anakin had no father, then Obi Wan takes him under his wing. Anakin even says as much in Episode 2, saying he's basically his father. Then Anakin is forced to kill Obi Wan. Luke is forced time and again to fight his father, tying to defeat him, which he ultimately does. Ren taking out Han is just the next step in the same line...for two reasons.
1 - because Star Wars has to have that father/son conflict
2 - fans would revolt even more if Luke had become evil and had to be Killed.
So, you are basically saying that the back story has already been written....and that we just have to go to some alternate source to learn what it is? (I have never read any of the books, played the video games nor watched the cartoon series.).
If what you say is true: Kylo Ren killed Luke's "wife"...Rey's mother.....that she is Luke's daughter....then can I assume that at some point in the next movie perhaps all that will be revealed to us non-gamers and book readers?
So....OK, the backstory is revealed....now where will they go with this.
Clearly the prime conflict is going to be between Rey and Ren..(coincidence that the names are similar?)
And did the "canon" say where this first Order and Snoke came from?
If the same pattern is to follow (history repeating itself), then Ren will have to be redeemed and Snoke will have to be killed.
Of course the good guys win in the end.
But....can there be redemption for Ben Solo.......he killed one of the main heroes of the tale...his father no less. Can there be any forgiveness for that?
And is Luke now to assume the Yoda role? The mentor....or will there be more to him in the future rather than being a recluse who will train Rey like Yoda trained him?
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The "fan fiction" was actually canon up until this movie was released and, while Lucas himself didn't come up with the concepts or stories, he did at least give his mark of approval on the overarching plot points (births, deaths, etc.) Lucas even used elements from the EU when making the prequels. It's more than a fan fic forum, it's been an entire series of published books and video games, all with the consent of Lucasfilms and, in most cases, their logo and backing on it.
I think there will be general aspects used - there already have been (Ben abandoning his training and taking on a dark moniker). I think we'll see that Rey is Luke's daughter, Ren killed Luke's Jedi wife and the young Jedi apprentices because of favoritism/rage, and that Luke shipped her to Jakku to protect her.
Once again, in regards to the issues that some folks are having with it being very similar to ANH... I think that is the exact point. I think it's a metaphor - we are destined to repeat the sins of our fathers, the faces and names change but the events cycle over time. The father teaches the son, the son tries to be better than/overtake his father, the son kills the father, the son has his own son and becomes the father, repeat as nauseum. Star Wars is and always has been heavy-handed with the father/son symbolism.
Luke/ Vader. Vader meaning father. Anakin literally having no father, then Obi Wan basically becoming his father. Han/Ren. Jango/Boba. The Master/Padawan relationship, etc.
Anakin had no father, then Obi Wan takes him under his wing. Anakin even says as much in Episode 2, saying he's basically his father. Then Anakin is forced to kill Obi Wan. Luke is forced time and again to fight his father, tying to defeat him, which he ultimately does. Ren taking out Han is just the next step in the same line...for two reasons.
1 - because Star Wars has to have that father/son conflict
2 - fans would revolt even more if Luke had become evil and had to be Killed.
So, you are basically saying that the back story has already been written....and that we just have to go to some alternate source to learn what it is? (I have never read any of the books, played the video games nor watched the cartoon series.).
If what you say is true: Kylo Ren killed Luke's "wife"...Rey's mother.....that she is Luke's daughter....then can I assume that at some point in the next movie perhaps all that will be revealed to us non-gamers and book readers?
So....OK, the backstory is revealed....now where will they go with this.
Clearly the prime conflict is going to be between Rey and Ren..(coincidence that the names are similar?)
And did the "canon" say where this first Order and Snoke came from?
If the same pattern is to follow (history repeating itself), then Ren will have to be redeemed and Snoke will have to be killed.
Of course the good guys win in the end.
But....can there be redemption for Ben Solo.......he killed one of the main heroes of the tale...his father no less. Can there be any forgiveness for that?
And is Luke now to assume the Yoda role? The mentor....or will there be more to him in the future rather than being a recluse who will train Rey like Yoda trained him?
So, you are basically saying that the back story has already been written....and that we just have to go to some alternate source to learn what it is? (I have never read any of the books, played the video games nor watched the cartoon series.).
If what you say is true: Kylo Ren killed Luke's "wife"...Rey's mother.....that she is Luke's daughter....then can I assume that at some point in the next movie perhaps all that will be revealed to us non-gamers and book readers?
So....OK, the backstory is revealed....now where will they go with this.
Clearly the prime conflict is going to be between Rey and Ren..(coincidence that the names are similar?)
And did the "canon" say where this first Order and Snoke came from?
If the same pattern is to follow (history repeating itself), then Ren will have to be redeemed and Snoke will have to be killed.
Of course the good guys win in the end.
But....can there be redemption for Ben Solo.......he killed one of the main heroes of the tale...his father no less. Can there be any forgiveness for that?
And is Luke now to assume the Yoda role? The mentor....or will there be more to him in the future rather than being a recluse who will train Rey like Yoda trained him?
A backstory has already been written, but it might not be the same backstory. When this movie was announced, they officially deemed the entire EU as non-canon and said that, they might take bits and pieces here and there, if they fit.
There are similarities so far - Leia and Han having kid(s), one of them becoming a "Sith" lord, Leia taking over as the leader of the Rebellion (Resistance). But the details are different.
Snoke, First Order, all of that isn't mentioned in the EU. I'm sure we'll find out in the next movie where he's from.
If I had to predict it all, I'd say Rey is Luke's daughter. Ren/Ben got jealous in training, let his anger take over, killed Luke's wife. Rey was shipped to Jakku for her protection and has forgotten all of it.
Ren/Ben will eventually turn on Snoke, express regret over killing Han, save Rey from Snoke somehow and the "light" in him will shine through. Luke will die trying to protect Rey at some point. Rey will realize her Force powers and become a great Jedi. Ren/Ben will ultimately die at the hands of Snoke/First Order trying to save the Resistance.
No idea where Finn fits into this, he's a wild card. Logic would point to him assuming the role of Han - the comic relief, smart ass love interest...but I don't see that happening.
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The great thing about Star Wars being out is that security is so low on other things, I have DVD quality copies of of movies that are set to come out this week, Like the hateful 8 and the Revenant something else, costs way to much to take the family to the movies so.........................
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The great thing about Star Wars being out is that security is so low on other things, I have DVD quality copies of of movies that are set to come out this week, Like the hateful 8 and the Revenant something else, costs way to much to take the family to the movies so.........................
The great thing about Star Wars being out is that security is so low on other things, I have DVD quality copies of of movies that are set to come out this week, Like the hateful 8 and the Revenant something else, costs way to much to take the family to the movies so.........................
It's Oscar screening season, that's probably why.
I've got most of the big ones so far in great quality, just gotta be careful.
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So, you are basically saying that the back story has already been written....and that we just have to go to some alternate source to learn what it is? (I have never read any of the books, played the video games nor watched the cartoon series.).
If what you say is true: Kylo Ren killed Luke's "wife"...Rey's mother.....that she is Luke's daughter....then can I assume that at some point in the next movie perhaps all that will be revealed to us non-gamers and book readers?
So....OK, the backstory is revealed....now where will they go with this.
Clearly the prime conflict is going to be between Rey and Ren..(coincidence that the names are similar?)
And did the "canon" say where this first Order and Snoke came from?
If the same pattern is to follow (history repeating itself), then Ren will have to be redeemed and Snoke will have to be killed.
Of course the good guys win in the end.
But....can there be redemption for Ben Solo.......he killed one of the main heroes of the tale...his father no less. Can there be any forgiveness for that?
And is Luke now to assume the Yoda role? The mentor....or will there be more to him in the future rather than being a recluse who will train Rey like Yoda trained him?
A backstory has already been written, but it might not be the same backstory. When this movie was announced, they officially deemed the entire EU as non-canon and said that, they might take bits and pieces here and there, if they fit.
There are similarities so far - Leia and Han having kid(s), one of them becoming a "Sith" lord, Leia taking over as the leader of the Rebellion (Resistance). But the details are different.
Snoke, First Order, all of that isn't mentioned in the EU. I'm sure we'll find out in the next movie where he's from.
If I had to predict it all, I'd say Rey is Luke's daughter. Ren/Ben got jealous in training, let his anger take over, killed Luke's wife. Rey was shipped to Jakku for her protection and has forgotten all of it.
Ren/Ben will eventually turn on Snoke, express regret over killing Han, save Rey from Snoke somehow and the "light" in him will shine through. Luke will die trying to protect Rey at some point. Rey will realize her Force powers and become a great Jedi. Ren/Ben will ultimately die at the hands of Snoke/First Order trying to save the Resistance.
No idea where Finn fits into this, he's a wild card. Logic would point to him assuming the role of Han - the comic relief, smart ass love interest...but I don't see that happening.
A backstory has already been written, but it might not be the same backstory. When this movie was announced, they officially deemed the entire EU as non-canon and said that, they might take bits and pieces here and there, if they fit.
There are similarities so far - Leia and Han having kid(s), one of them becoming a "Sith" lord, Leia taking over as the leader of the Rebellion (Resistance). But the details are different.
Snoke, First Order, all of that isn't mentioned in the EU. I'm sure we'll find out in the next movie where he's from.
If I had to predict it all, I'd say Rey is Luke's daughter. Ren/Ben got jealous in training, let his anger take over, killed Luke's wife. Rey was shipped to Jakku for her protection and has forgotten all of it.
Ren/Ben will eventually turn on Snoke, express regret over killing Han, save Rey from Snoke somehow and the "light" in him will shine through. Luke will die trying to protect Rey at some point. Rey will realize her Force powers and become a great Jedi. Ren/Ben will ultimately die at the hands of Snoke/First Order trying to save the Resistance.
No idea where Finn fits into this, he's a wild card. Logic would point to him assuming the role of Han - the comic relief, smart ass love interest...but I don't see that happening.
What about Poe?
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was no one else bothered by the fact that this new empire remade the deathstar only bigger but with the same flaws as the first one? Like really? And yet again a handful of x wings can get in there and fuck the whole thing up? really? It's like ROJ never happened, the empire just rebranded itself but took no real hit. In the books the rebels gain power and become the new republic or some shit like that. They regained coruscant, the seat of power. The empire had to withdraw to their original systems. I mean that only makes sense. Where was the battlefleet that undoubtedly would have engaged the new deathstar?
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My personal take is that the movie was "very" good for about the first 1/2 to 3/4 of the movie. Than it got hasty and lazy. Maybe could have been two movies, or 3 hours like the LOTR movies. I don't know anyone that would have complained about a properly made 3 hour star wars movie. The death of Solo bothered me cause if you're gonna kill Han Solo, you gotta send that nicka off right. It was lame.
And snokes? really? what kind of gay ass name is that? I know this guy is gonna end up being the emperors old master, plagous or something like that....but couldn' t they have come up wth a better name than snokes? And Skywalker being surprised someone came up to him on his little island....like 1) you didn't feel someone coming through the force 2) you didn't hear that big ass starship landing on your little island?
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I wasn't going to mention that until my review but you are 100% correct. Even though its a thousand times bigger than the old Death Star I can't imagine the engineer not saying to the client, "look guys remember when the fighter pilots went right down that ditch where there was that one spot that would blow up the entire thing? Did nobody notice that we just did the same thing again???"
WSS
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They killed off Has Solo.... that was bs. Wasn't a reason to do that.
Did they kill off Indiana Jones in any of those movies?
HELL NO !
The special effects were wild, and it was fun. I think I could have written the last
fourth of the movie a lot better and more fun.
And Chewbakka gets injured? That's bs. What... sympathy for the old characters, they
weren't that great...whatever.
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I wasn't surprised by that. Harrison Ford is pretty old and probably doesn't need the money at all.
Hence he doesn't want to get roped into another 2 or 3 movie series at this point in his life when he can pick and choose things he'd like to do.
WSS
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One thing that bothered me is Rey is all like "Luke Skywalker? I thought he was a legend"
Like it's only been thirty years since the empire was overthrown. Han solo and Leia are still alive. Not enough time has passed for him to be forgotten and become a "legend" already. I mean it wasn't like he was a covert operator. He personally blew up the first death star and faced down vader.
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One thing that bothered me is Rey is all like "Luke Skywalker? I thought he was a legend"
Like it's only been thirty years since the empire was overthrown. Han solo and Leia are still alive. Not enough time has passed for him to be forgotten and become a "legend" already. I mean it wasn't like he was a covert operator. He personally blew up the first death star and faced down vader.
One thing that bothered me is Rey is all like "Luke Skywalker? I thought he was a legend"
Like it's only been thirty years since the empire was overthrown. Han solo and Leia are still alive. Not enough time has passed for him to be forgotten and become a "legend" already. I mean it wasn't like he was a covert operator. He personally blew up the first death star and faced down vader.
30 years is a long time....plenty of time to become a legend. But the term you are thinking of is "myth" not legend....as in, some people didn't think he was real. To that extent, OK, he should not have been considered a myth...i.e. believed to not be real.
But Rey is very young....and out of touch on a far planet. So to her "myth" may be approptiate.
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She knew who han solo was though.
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