Goff Or Lynch @2?
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Don't get too full of yourself pal, anybody over 15 years or so turned out to be right if they predicted the Browns would suck and can pat themselves on the back and boast.True enough Steve- but we haven't drafted a qb in the top 5 since Couch. Other than Quinn, none of those guys had the aspirations you're going to put on a #2 overall pick. Remember my "It's a sin if we draft Quinn"? I cringed when we drafted Wee-Done, thought it was a desperation move by Homgren- right again. I was probably the #1 Manziel critic pre-draft. Damn, I'm about as smart as those chickens that outsmarted Farmer.
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And when we fail every year we reset everything we're doing the year before like a video game except it doesn't seem like anybody remembers where the monsters are hiding when you start over.
We get a boner listening to Mel Kiper so we pretend it's been the quarterback that's been keeping us down all these years.
So we haven't drafted a top 5 quarterback? That's true. And Jared Goff wouldn't be a top 5 quarterback in any recent draft.
And when you say the Cowboys wouldn't give up a bunch of pics for a quarterback that's not going to start for two years are you kidding? Not that I think they'd be wise to mortgage the ranch on him but somebody new is going to start within the next two years. Tony Romo isn't getting any healthier.
You also mention other shitty teams have drafted quarterbacks. Yes. Still in last place in the NFC South, and the team that drafts before us this year drafted big-name Hot Shot superstar quarterbacks. Everybody's boyfriend Bilgewater wasn't a top five pick and the only reason the Vikings havent sucked too badly is that they've had plenty of other first-rate weapons.
The Faguars didn't finish in the basement just because they've got the other hotshot quarterback in their division, and they are still the shittiest team in football. Still only won 2 more games than we did.
And no team with a highly rated quarterback runs the ball as poorly, stop the run and/or defend the pass as poorly as the Cleveland Browns.
And even the lowly Houston dumbass Texans got to the playoffs with bums under center.
Everybody talks about the elite teams but the one thread that runs through them is consistency.
And if you guys think Jared Goff or Paxton Lynch aren't going to start the first year you are dreaming.
Especially if Joe Thomas wants out, Mack leaves and Mitchell Schwartz gets a golden parachute from somebody. Hell even with them we couldn't run the ball or protect the quarterback. Imagine three Cameron Irving's on the front line...
WSS
What makes one game in 82 that occurs before the halfway point of the season "huge"?
Don't get too full of yourself pal, anybody over 15 years or so turned out to be right if they predicted the Browns would suck and can pat themselves on the back and boast.
... Jared Goff wouldn't be a top 5 quarterback in any recent draft.
Sounds like the words of someone who hasn't gotten any player predictions right.
And as for Goff... with the exception of 2015 are you sure? Looks a lot more like "would have in every draft" to these old eyes.
2014
1 Houston Texans Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina
2 St. Louis Rams Greg Robinson T Auburn
3 Jacksonville Jaguars Blake Bortles QB Central Florida
4 Buffalo Bills Sammy Watkins WR Clemson
5 Oakland Raiders Khalil Mack OLB Buffalo
6 Atlanta Falcons Jake Matthews T Texas A&M
2013
1 Kansas City Chiefs Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan
2 Jacksonville Jaguars Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M
3 Miami Dolphins Dion Jordan DE Oregon
4 Philadelphia Eagles Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma
5 Detroit Lions Ezekiel Ansah DE Brigham Young
6 Cleveland Browns Barkevious Mingo OLB LSU
2012
1 Indianapolis Colts Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2 Washington Redskins Robert Griffin QB Baylor
3 Cleveland Browns Trent Richardson RB Alabama
4 Minnesota Vikings Matt Kalil T USC
5 Jacksonville Jaguars Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
6 Dallas Cowboys Morris Claiborne CB LSU
2011 is killer, but even Blaine Gabbert was taken at #10...
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Could be I'm missing your point but which of these players would have been replaced in their draft order if Jared Goff had been available? Or Paxton Lynch?
ps in case I wasn't clear I meant he would not be a quarterback picked in the top 5. Yes hed probably be one of the five quarterbacks taken in the first few rounds, maybe.
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We'll have to wait until the rest of the pre-draft stuff before getting the final shakedown on Goff (and others).
But today, I think he's a better prospect than Mariotta, Bortles, and EJ Manuel (2015, 2014, 2013 top QB picks)
I don't care what draft class you're talking about frankly, Goff is a top-class prospect period and would be considered high in any draft class. Definitely the most ready to make an impact day 1 as a starter in this class.
This is actually not a very weak QB class - I don't know why people say that every year that Andrew Luck isn't in the draft. There's a few prospects that would be considered first-round in any given year IMO (Goff, Wentz, Lynch)
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We'll have to wait until the rest of the pre-draft stuff before getting the final shakedown on Goff (and others).
But today, I think he's a better prospect than Mariotta, Bortles, and EJ Manuel (2015, 2014, 2013 top QB picks)
I don't care what draft class you're talking about frankly, Goff is a top-class prospect period and would be considered high in any draft class. Definitely the most ready to make an impact day 1 as a starter in this class.
This is actually not a very weak QB class - I don't know why people say that every year that Andrew Luck isn't in the draft. There's a few prospects that would be considered first-round in any given year IMO (Goff, Wentz, Lynch)
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BB I'm not saying that guy is going to suck. The first few quarterbacks are crap shoots as a general rule.
As a matter of fact after his first bad game and the rest of these guys start calling for his head I'll probably be preaching patience.
WSS
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BB I'm not saying that guy is going to suck. The first few quarterbacks are crap shoots as a general rule.
As a matter of fact after his first bad game and the rest of these guys start calling for his head I'll probably be preaching patience.
WSS
BB I'm not saying that guy is going to suck. The first few quarterbacks are crap shoots as a general rule.
As a matter of fact after his first bad game and the rest of these guys start calling for his head I'll probably be preaching patience.
WSS
I think when the combine and pro days and all that crap start to come around he'll emerge as the consensus #1 pick. People question the competition level and don't really know too much about him - but once all of that comes around it should remove all doubt and I can just say "you heard it here first"
QBs are higher risk/higher reward in general because it's the hardest position to adapt to from college to the NFL - but Hue is a pretty good guy to have to develop a young QB, ditto with Flip, O'Connell, and McCown provided we keep Flip/O'Connell
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Well if he is getting the kind of love that Mariota or Andrew Luck got, Tennessee shouldn't have much trouble in increasing their number one into a few good choices which they could really use to prop up their new boy.
WSS
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Could be I'm missing your point but which of these players would have been replaced in their draft order if Jared Goff had been available? Or Paxton Lynch?
ps in case I wasn't clear I meant he would not be a quarterback picked in the top 5. Yes hed probably be one of the five quarterbacks taken in the first few rounds, maybe.
WSS
Could be I'm missing your point but which of these players would have been replaced in their draft order if Jared Goff had been available? Or Paxton Lynch?
ps in case I wasn't clear I meant he would not be a quarterback picked in the top 5. Yes hed probably be one of the five quarterbacks taken in the first few rounds, maybe.
Well if he is getting the kind of love that Mariota or Andrew Luck got, Tennessee shouldn't have much trouble in increasing their number one into a few good choices which they could really use to prop up their new boy.
Goff was the only QB mentioned in your post that I quoted and there just may have been a reason I only went 5 or 6 deep in each draft.
And how can you lump Mariotta and Luck together? Their "love" levels were nowhere near the same.
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Could be I'm missing your point but which of these players would have been replaced in their draft order if Jared Goff had been available? Or Paxton Lynch?
ps in case I wasn't clear I meant he would not be a quarterback picked in the top 5. Yes hed probably be one of the five quarterbacks taken in the first few rounds, maybe.
Well if he is getting the kind of love that Mariota or Andrew Luck got, Tennessee shouldn't have much trouble in increasing their number one into a few good choices which they could really use to prop up their new boy.
Goff was the only QB mentioned in your post that I quoted and there just may have been a reason I only went 5 or 6 deep in each draft.
And how can you lump Mariotta and Luck together? Their "love" levels were nowhere near the same.
Goff was the only QB mentioned in your post that I quoted and there just may have been a reason I only went 5 or 6 deep in each draft.
And how can you lump Mariotta and Luck together? Their "love" levels were nowhere near the same.
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So, since I explained what I meant, and even granted that I might not have been clear, did you have anything else or just YouTube thing?
Do you think he'd be in the top 10 quarterbacks, collectively, of the last 4 years? Or are you just mad at me for something?
WSS
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BB I'm not saying that guy is going to suck. The first few quarterbacks are crap shoots as a general rule.
As a matter of fact after his first bad game and the rest of these guys start calling for his head I'll probably be preaching patience.
WSS
I think when the combine and pro days and all that crap start to come around he'll emerge as the consensus #1 pick. People question the competition level and don't really know too much about him - but once all of that comes around it should remove all doubt and I can just say "you heard it here first"
QBs are higher risk/higher reward in general because it's the hardest position to adapt to from college to the NFL - but Hue is a pretty good guy to have to develop a young QB, ditto with Flip, O'Connell, and McCown provided we keep Flip/O'Connell
I think when the combine and pro days and all that crap start to come around he'll emerge as the consensus #1 pick. People question the competition level and don't really know too much about him - but once all of that comes around it should remove all doubt and I can just say "you heard it here first"
QBs are higher risk/higher reward in general because it's the hardest position to adapt to from college to the NFL - but Hue is a pretty good guy to have to develop a young QB, ditto with Flip, O'Connell, and McCown provided we keep Flip/O'Connell
We have already suffered the risk of choosing QBs in the first round......When will we see our reward? I am not certain this is the year for it.
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We'll have to wait until the rest of the pre-draft stuff before getting the final shakedown on Goff (and others).
But today, I think he's a better prospect than Mariotta, Bortles, and EJ Manuel (2015, 2014, 2013 top QB picks)
I don't care what draft class you're talking about frankly, Goff is a top-class prospect period and would be considered high in any draft class. Definitely the most ready to make an impact day 1 as a starter in this class.
This is actually not a very weak QB class - I don't know why people say that every year that Andrew Luck isn't in the draft. There's a few prospects that would be considered first-round in any given year IMO (Goff, Wentz, Lynch)
We'll have to wait until the rest of the pre-draft stuff before getting the final shakedown on Goff (and others).
But today, I think he's a better prospect than Mariotta, Bortles, and EJ Manuel (2015, 2014, 2013 top QB picks)
I don't care what draft class you're talking about frankly, Goff is a top-class prospect period and would be considered high in any draft class. Definitely the most ready to make an impact day 1 as a starter in this class.
Agree... easier to see Goff's transition to the Pros than it was Mariotta's or Bortles' or any other recent QB not named Luck... or maybe Winston. And he comes without any off-field baggage.
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Mad? No... but since you do troll at times... Why I pulled the top few picks from each of the recent drafts except 2015 seemed pretty transparent. I could only assume you were being purposefully "obtuse"... thus the inspiration for the youtube...
Top ten? Easily... Top five? Yes. Top two? Probably.
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I think when the combine and pro days and all that crap start to come around he'll emerge as the consensus #1 pick. People question the competition level and don't really know too much about him - but once all of that comes around it should remove all doubt and I can just say "you heard it here first"
QBs are higher risk/higher reward in general because it's the hardest position to adapt to from college to the NFL - but Hue is a pretty good guy to have to develop a young QB, ditto with Flip, O'Connell, and McCown provided we keep Flip/O'Connell
We have already suffered the risk of choosing QBs in the first round......When will we see our reward? I am not certain this is the year for it.
We have already suffered the risk of choosing QBs in the first round......When will we see our reward? I am not certain this is the year for it.
When we stop drafting drunk midgets, old men, and Brady Quinn bodybuilders in the first round
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So, and forgive me if I'm being obtuse and missing your point, you believe Goff is one of the two best quarterbacks in the last four drafts?
If that's the case I'd say he's certainly worth the second pick.
WSS
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Certainly one of the three best, Steve. Hard to place him vs. Winston due to the latter's off-field concerns.
Agree, bb?
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We have already suffered the risk of choosing QBs in the first round......When will we see our reward? I am not certain this is the year for it.
When we stop drafting drunk midgets, old men, and Brady Quinn bodybuilders in the first round
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Certainly one of the three best, Steve. Hard to place him vs. Winston due to the latter's off-field concerns.
Agree, bb?
Certainly one of the three best, Steve. Hard to place him vs. Winston due to the latter's off-field concerns.
Agree, bb?
I agree, I'm almost to the point of "best since Luck", which would make him #1 in 2013, 14, 15. Of course, it's still pretty early and something major could happen to change my mind (though I don't forecast it)
Winston lost me at "show ne da boobies"
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Certainly one of the three best, Steve. Hard to place him vs. Winston due to the latter's off-field concerns.
Agree, bb?
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I say neither at #2 - hear me out.
- #2 - Bosa.
- #32 - We hope to god Jaylon Smith falls to #32 because of his destroyed-to-shit knee. If he doesn't we just pick between Reggie Ragland, Shilique Calhoun, Michael Thomas, Laquan Treadwell, Shaq Lawson, or Josh Doctson (I include this wide range of players because I haven't watched extensive film on them but I assume they will be available in this area and have skill sets that I like as of this current moment...again, pre-film).
- #65 - Cardale Jones.
- #96 - Trade for 2017 third.
- #129 - Trade for 2017 fourth.
- 5th round compensatory - take best SS available
- Probable other 5th round compensatory - BPA if can't trade.
- The rest - move to 2017 assets if possible.
- We trade Johnny Manziel to Dallas for whatever we can get - ideally a 2017 third, but likely not. Probably more in the range of a fifth.
We go into the season with Josh McCown at the helm and let Cardale ride the bench. Now, ideally Cardale would take over in training camp, pass for 5,000+ yards, become a future HOF QB and lead us to the Super Bowl next season and every season for the next 12-15 years.
But that is highly unlikely to happen.
What will likely more happen is that Cardale will struggle to grasp the playbook, he'll play sparingly in the preseason and look lost, and then never see the field until Josh McCown comes down with an injury. But that's fine. Because we win 4 games next season under McCown, then only one under Cardale - putting us at 5-11 and picking 5th.
Then we:
- Package our 2017 first and second and our 2018 first and second, move up to #1 and take Deshaun Watson.
- 3rd round - BPA OL
- 3rd round (via trade) - BPA WR
- 4th round - trade for 2018 3rd round
- 4th round (via trade) - trade for 2018 3rd round
- Trade for future assets
This plan allows us to take the likely BPA available in this draft (Bosa), get a strong LB (a position of need) and take a QB - while accounting for the fact that the QB we get in 2016 might not work out. It's a plan with a built-in backup plan.
I did this just to piss everyone off.
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