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Here Is My Concern If We Take A Qb At #2......

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  • C Clevfan4life

    let's say Tn goes with Bosa, would anyone be mad if we traded JT to a good team and took that tackle that Tn was projected to?

    @clevfan4life said:

    let's say Tn goes with Bosa, would anyone be mad if we traded JT to a good team and took that tackle that Tn was projected to?

    You mean the OT who is so good that you don't even know his name?

    I haven't looked at Tunsil yet, but if your hypo means losing Goff, then as of now... Fuck yeah, I'd be mad.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @clevfan4life said:

    let's say Tn goes with Bosa, would anyone be mad if we traded JT to a good team and took that tackle that Tn was projected to?

    You mean the OT who is so good that you don't even know his name?

    I haven't looked at Tunsil yet, but if your hypo means losing Goff, then as of now... Fuck yeah, I'd be mad.

    @tour2ma said:

    You mean the OT who is so good that you don't even know his name?

    Cant remember all these fucking names. I just knew that he was projected as one of the best tackles to come out of college in a few years. Of course it's all predicated on what we could get packaging up JT and maybe another player or two. If we got something that took away other draft needs, than yeah i wouldn't be mad if we made a replacement like that at LT.

  • Then maybe you mean the last wondrous OT... Greg Robinson.

    Ask Ram's fans how that turned out.

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  • JT still has a few great years ahead of him, no need to replace him unless he demands a trade.

  • bbedwardB bbedward

    JT still has a few great years ahead of him, no need to replace him unless he demands a trade.

    @bbedward said:

    JT still has a few great years ahead of him, no need to replace him unless he demands a trade.

    I agree which is why I advocate trading him "only" if we get something valuable for him.

  • bbedwardB bbedward

    @htownbrown said:

    Where do you rank Goff on that list based on what you knew about those other guys coming out of college?

    #2

    Wasn't really crazy about any of those top guys when they were coming out except Luck.

    After seeing cam newton now? Maybe #3

    Maybe I'm just better at evaluating QBs if you'd have him rated last though πŸ˜‰

    @bbedward said:

    #2

    Wasn't really crazy about any of those top guys when they were coming out except Luck.

    After seeing cam newton now? Maybe #3

    Maybe I'm just better at evaluating QBs if you'd have him rated last though πŸ˜‰

    Sure, let's pretend your better at evaluating tape then me, how do you make that argument against paid professionals who disagree with you? And there are plenty who do. People who make statements like that typically know what feet taste like.

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  • htownbrownH htownbrown

    @bbedward said:

    #2

    Wasn't really crazy about any of those top guys when they were coming out except Luck.

    After seeing cam newton now? Maybe #3

    Maybe I'm just better at evaluating QBs if you'd have him rated last though πŸ˜‰

    Sure, let's pretend your better at evaluating tape then me, how do you make that argument against paid professionals who disagree with you? And there are plenty who do. People who make statements like that typically know what feet taste like.

    @htownbrown said:

    Sure, let's pretend your better at evaluating tape then me, how do you make that argument against paid professionals who disagree with you? And there are plenty who do. People who make statements like that typically know what feet taste like.

    Who are the paid professionals who have said Goff is a worst prospect than your entire list? A source would help.

    I don't claim to be an expert, I'm just telling you what I personally think in the context of your question. That I wasn't high on Bradford, Newton, Griffin, Bortles, Winston, Mariotta, etc. If we were there I may not have had a problem with us taking them, but I saw lower floors and lower ceilings than I do with Goff.

    Since all the early (repeat: early) big boards and mock drafts have Goff in the top 10 I'm inclined to believe many people agree with me.

  • They have us taking Goff at #2 because they expect, and rightfully so, us to be the same old stupid Browns. McShay I know for sure doesn't think Goff is a top ten pick outside of teams reaching for a QB.

    I like the Hue hire, but he should not think a rookie QB will deflect blame in the Cleveland media. He's no safer than the last guy. He needs immediate results to stay in favor.

    I'm not opposed to Goff if he convinces me through the off-season he can improve upon what we have from the start, but at this point I'm not seeing it.

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  • Then who is your QB outside of a fragile McCown ?

  • F Furious Styles

    Then who is your QB outside of a fragile McCown ?

    @furious-styles said:

    Then who is your QB outside of a fragile McCown ?

    My back up QB is the guy who ends up on the top of the draft board at any given time. Don't care how many rounds pass. That's simply all you will get out of them season 1.

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  • T Tacosman

    if goff is such a consensus #1 qb prospect, we're going to have to move to 1 to get him. I cant predict the future(although anyone who has followed me on this board knows Ive done a pretty damn good job of it the last year or so), but right now he's just not viewed as good enough to make us go to #1 to get him.

    @tacosman said:

    if goff is such a consensus #1 qb prospect, we're going to have to move to 1 to get him. I cant predict the future(although anyone who has followed me on this board knows Ive done a pretty damn good job of it the last year or so), but right now he's just not viewed as good enough to make us go to #1 to get him.

    Then If we don't move to #1, you think another team is going to give up even more to get him? Not likely. I already laid out the scenarios for you . It would cost the Browns their second rounder to move up. Dallas would have to cough up their first, second and next years first. San Fan would have to offer up three firsts. We're in a rebuild mode, and can't afford to give up picks. If someone takes Goff ahead of us. We'll sit pat and take Bosa.

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @tacosman said:

    if goff is such a consensus #1 qb prospect, we're going to have to move to 1 to get him. I cant predict the future(although anyone who has followed me on this board knows Ive done a pretty damn good job of it the last year or so), but right now he's just not viewed as good enough to make us go to #1 to get him.

    Then If we don't move to #1, you think another team is going to give up even more to get him? Not likely. I already laid out the scenarios for you . It would cost the Browns their second rounder to move up. Dallas would have to cough up their first, second and next years first. San Fan would have to offer up three firsts. We're in a rebuild mode, and can't afford to give up picks. If someone takes Goff ahead of us. We'll sit pat and take Bosa.

    @hoorta said:

    Then If we don't move to #1, you think another team is going to give up even more to get him? Not likely. I already laid out the scenarios for you . It would cost the Browns their second rounder to move up. Dallas would have to cough up their first, second and next years first. San Fan would have to offer up three firsts. We're in a rebuild mode, and can't afford to give up picks. If someone takes Goff ahead of us. We'll sit pat and take Bosa.

    I agree we don't move to #1, but I don't see Dallas or San Fran moving up either.

    Dallas isn't hard pressed to replace Romo, their best bet is taking talent and trying to win now.

    SF is also in rebuild mode and I can't see them paying the price it would take to get #1.

  • htownbrownH htownbrown

    @furious-styles said:

    Then who is your QB outside of a fragile McCown ?

    My back up QB is the guy who ends up on the top of the draft board at any given time. Don't care how many rounds pass. That's simply all you will get out of them season 1.

    @htownbrown said:

    My back up QB is the guy who ends up on the top of the draft board at any given time. Don't care how many rounds pass. That's simply all you will get out of them season 1.

    "Don't care how many rounds pass" ? "At any given time" ? So you're willing to put anyone out there WHEN McCown goes down ? Better make sure the backup is a potential starter because he WILL end up starting.

  • The Titans are rebuilding too, why would they give up first pick (genuine question)?

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @htownbrown said:

    Bradford - Newton - Luck - Griffin - Bortles - Winston - Mariota

    These are the guys taken where everyone wants to take Goff. Where do you rank Goff on that list based on what you knew about those other guys coming out of college? I rank him dead last on that list myself. And for me that begs the question 'does he belong?'. Hell, I would put him in the EJ Manuel category coming out. There is not enough there to say Goff is worthy. He lived off shit competition and was very inconsistent. All those guys on that list elevated their teams to contenders and powerhouses. Goff did not.

    If Wentz has a great Senior Bowl and combine, Goff may not even be the #1 QB in the draft. It's silly to suggest we've seen enough from Goff to crown him at #2.

    It is early, and yes, things may still change. But it is not silly, if you have watched tape on him... and I have.

    As to your list...

    • Luck is the clear number one. He was "can't miss" in my book.
    • On-field I put Winston at #2 and his off-field issues had diminished enough for him to stay there.
    • Then I put Goff...
    As for the rest... not in order..
    • Bradford drops due to injury history in college.
    • Newton drops due to off-field primarily, but also heavy reliance on his run skills.
    • RG drops due to run reliance and size/ build adding up to high injury potential.
    • Bortles drops due to being far more raw.
    • Mariota drops due to serious scheme vs. talent questions.

    @tour2ma said:

    <p>

    It is early, and yes, things may still change. But it is not silly, if you have watched tape on him... and I have.

    As to your list...

    • Luck is the clear number one. He was "can't miss" in my book.
    • On-field I put Winston at #2 and his off-field issues had diminished enough for him to stay there.
    • Then I put Goff...
    As for the rest... not in order..
    • Bradford drops due to injury history in college.
    • Newton drops due to off-field primarily, but also heavy reliance on his run skills.
    • RG drops due to run reliance and size/ build adding up to high injury potential.
    • Bortles drops due to being far more raw.
    • Mariota drops due to serious scheme vs. talent questions.
    And Mr Bilgewater? Mr Carr?

    WSS

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  • W Westside Steve

    @tour2ma said:

    <p>

    It is early, and yes, things may still change. But it is not silly, if you have watched tape on him... and I have.

    As to your list...

    • Luck is the clear number one. He was "can't miss" in my book.
    • On-field I put Winston at #2 and his off-field issues had diminished enough for him to stay there.
    • Then I put Goff...
    As for the rest... not in order..
    • Bradford drops due to injury history in college.
    • Newton drops due to off-field primarily, but also heavy reliance on his run skills.
    • RG drops due to run reliance and size/ build adding up to high injury potential.
    • Bortles drops due to being far more raw.
    • Mariota drops due to serious scheme vs. talent questions.
    And Mr Bilgewater? Mr Carr?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    And Mr Bilgewater? Mr Carr?

    WSS

    Bridgewater fell for skinny frame, lack of velocity, deep ball trouble, and system issues (The system he played in was basically entirely short throws - nothing down field).

    Carr fell for lacking ideal height, more raw foot work (throwing off back foot sometimes and floating balls), and system issues (short throws and only reading half of the field)

    ---

    JFF (Jared Fuckin' Football) has questions about his skinny frame and system (shotgun/spread system). I think it's safe to disregard any concerns regarding the system though, given that he still reads the entire field, changes plays at the LOS, and has such good footwork that adopting to play under center won't be that much of a problem. I've also seen questions on his deep ball, but I haven't observed any significant issues there. He seems to get the ball on target no matter what part of the field he's throwing to - with the right amount of zip.

    So #2/#3 on that list seems right to me. I didn't like Winston because he came across as a total moron - but seems like that may only be when he's off the field.

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  • Fuck it, sign RG3.

    Let's have fun.

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  • Anyone who watched even a slight amount of the Memphis-Auburn bowl game can't possibly want that guy as our QB.. all he did was throw horizontally. We can keep Austin Davis for 1/4th the price if all you really want to do is throw checkdowns and bubble screens and constraint plays. I wish I was joking - Memphis didn't throw beyond the LOS until the 7-minute mark of the second quarter.

    FYI constraint plays keep the defense honest by throwing to a WR from one of your interior-run formations so the D doesn't put more than 7 in the box

    Yes, we have other needs than QB, but because we're cutting/trading Johnny The Living Joke, QB will be the pick.

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  • W Westside Steve

    @tour2ma said:

    <p>

    It is early, and yes, things may still change. But it is not silly, if you have watched tape on him... and I have.

    As to your list...

    • Luck is the clear number one. He was "can't miss" in my book.
    • On-field I put Winston at #2 and his off-field issues had diminished enough for him to stay there.
    • Then I put Goff...
    As for the rest... not in order..
    • Bradford drops due to injury history in college.
    • Newton drops due to off-field primarily, but also heavy reliance on his run skills.
    • RG drops due to run reliance and size/ build adding up to high injury potential.
    • Bortles drops due to being far more raw.
    • Mariota drops due to serious scheme vs. talent questions.
    And Mr Bilgewater? Mr Carr?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    And Mr Bilgewater? Mr Carr?

    Pretty much what bb said above plus:

    - Teddy B: I did not see leadership qualities. Likely is listed above Bradford only.

    - Derek πŸ˜„ I did let the bloodline thing influence me. Probably lists just above Teddy B.

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  • The Rams would take Goff and so would the 49ers. The Rams have nobody! And Chip Kelly will most probably trade Kaepernick or move up in the draft. The Cowboys will take a QB if they're smart. Romo is old and banged up.

    Let's face it; we need a QB, we have the 2nd pick. And even though experts say this QB class needs to sit and learn, what choice do we have?

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
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