How To Get A Qb
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Its about making the best decision with what you have available. There are plenty of 2nd round QBs who have found success. If they deem Goff the guy, go get him. But you better not miss because your jobs on the line.
While many have Goff rating out talent wise as a 2d rounder.....because he is a QB.....and considered one of the 2-3 best......and because QBs are always overvalued......and because a number of teams need a QB.....I suspect that Goff will not last until round 2.....even if he should.
While many have Goff rating out talent wise as a 2d rounder.....because he is a QB.....and considered one of the 2-3 best......and because QBs are always overvalued......and because a number of teams need a QB.....I suspect that Goff will not last until round 2.....even if he should.
As of today, Gip- there's no way Goff is going to last until the second round. Every mock I've seen has the Browns taking Goff @ #2.
This guy will have as much influence on the draft is anybody on any of the teams probably.
WSS
Those Cowboy fans are smokin' something if they think they can jump over Browns with just their first and second to take Goff First pick is worth 3,000. Cowboys first, second AND third is only 2590. Add in the qb premium. I've been saying for a couple weeks the 'Pokes will have to offer two firsts and a second to get the Titans interested. I agree with Ag- if we do get jumped, we just sit @ #2 and take Bosa. Tennessee needs a premier LT to keep Mariotta in one piece, and if they drop to #4 they might not get Tunsil- who after reading the bio, compares favorably to Joe Thomas.
Many of the Mock drafts (it's still too early) have four Quarterbacks going in the first round. Example: Goff/Cleve., Wenz/Dallas, Lynch/San Francisco and Connor Cook/ Rams
If this holds true than Cleveland had better take Goff.
Tony Grossing suggests the Browns do what the Redskins did in 2012 and take two QBs. Goff and Cardale Jones. I like going out and getting a free agent but doubt any good ones will be available.
Hue Jackson will be studying his options from now until draft day. After all, taking the wrong guy is a coach killer.
I think we all agree that the quarterback will be the Browns number 1 focus.
I hope Haslam realizes by now how stupid the Manziel pick was and NEVER interferes again!
^This.
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Defenses are critical to championship teams. All great ones build that before building the offense IMHO. Houston got to go to the playoffs despite not having an offense (nor a top QB). Let's do it right this time. Going after the QB before going after the quality defense has been one long running disaster for the Browns. How about we try to just do it different? It should be interesting how the analytics guys do it. I'm willing to give them a chance regardless of which path they choose as long as we are patient enough to give them a fair multiyear (read that more than 2 shot.
HA! I found this comment under the scout article fairly soon after reading it. From a guy calling himself skillit14, "Don't get me wrong, I've been wanting the next guy on the roster for two seasons.......but I don't want to go "Cleveland Browns" and start throwing high picks at every popular name at the position and never get one."
Why does everyone else in America get that?
Defenses are critical to championship teams. All great ones build that before building the offense IMHO. Houston got to go to the playoffs despite not having an offense (nor a top QB). Let's do it right this time. Going after the QB before going after the quality defense has been one long running disaster for the Browns. How about we try to just do it different? It should be interesting how the analytics guys do it. I'm willing to give them a chance regardless of which path they choose as long as we are patient enough to give them a fair multiyear (read that more than 2 shot.
Meh 9-7 in the worst division in football, I wouldn't give Houston too much credit for making the playoffs.
But if you say "all great ones build defense first", then I'd disagree.
- Patriots had a bottom 10 defense in Brady's first few years
- Panthers had an awful defense when they drafted Newton
- Broncos managed to get Peyton Manning and consequently invested heavily in their defense
- Cardinals built up their defense and plugged in Palmer
So I guess all it says is there's more than one way to crack an egg.
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It is supposedly set to be the best year in foreverz for DT/DE/OLB type of players. If that's the case, you'd think we'd be safer to take one at #32 since the talent pool is so saturated.
I'm not a big fan of Kiper Jr, but I think it would be absolutely Retard for Dallas to trade their 1st and 2nd rounder for Goff.
Would you take that deal if they offer it to us?
WSS
Would you take that deal if they offer it to us?
WSS
In reply Steve- it depends on how much we like Goff. Cal has been talking up Wentz. Take a look here- http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/carson-wentz?id=2555259
Hmmmmm.... small school guy- sort of like Joe Flacco.
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It is supposedly set to be the best year in foreverz for DT/DE/OLB type of players. If that's the case, you'd think we'd be safer to take one at #32 since the talent pool is so saturated.
I'm not a big fan of Kiper Jr, but I think it would be absolutely Retard for Dallas to trade their 1st and 2nd rounder for Goff.
Would you take that deal if they offer it to us?
WSS
WTF would Hue focus on the Draft when he'll still have names to comb trough for staff?
Would you take that deal if they offer it to us?
That is a tough question, but if Goff is sitting there and I know they want him, then based upon what I have seen so far, I say no thanks and turn in the pick.
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It is supposedly set to be the best year in foreverz for DT/DE/OLB type of players. If that's the case, you'd think we'd be safer to take one at #32 since the talent pool is so saturated.
I'm not a big fan of Kiper Jr, but I think it would be absolutely Retard for Dallas to trade their 1st and 2nd rounder for Goff.
Would you take that deal if they offer it to us?
WSS
Would you take that deal if they offer it to us?
WSS
Probably not, depends on the perceived talent drop off of missing out on Goff/Bosa (assuming that's what would happen if we trade down to #4 as it sits today)
It'd have to be a higher price than that anyway
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Would you take that deal if they offer it to us?
WSS
Probably not, depends on the perceived talent drop off of missing out on Goff/Bosa (assuming that's what would happen if we trade down to #4 as it sits today)
It'd have to be a higher price than that anyway
Probably not, depends on the perceived talent drop off of missing out on Goff/Bosa (assuming that's what would happen if we trade down to #4 as it sits today)
But conversely if you got wind that #1 was in play and Goff was the objective, then do you get in the bidding war?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
But conversely if you got wind that #1 was in play and Goff was the objective, then do you get in the bidding war?
Given what I suspect it would cost, I don't think so
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If the Browns draft Goff, I'll be happy.
If Goff goes 1 and the Browns draft Bosa, I'll be happy.
Either way is the way to go. Don't waste valuable assets and be happy with getting a quality player regardless.
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OK here's one, remember the rumours we were willing to offer the number 12 and 19 pick last year to trade with tk to grab Mariota?
What would peoples opinions be now had we done that, looking back with hindsight obviously! Let's face it, Shelton and cam have hardly light it up.
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While many have Goff rating out talent wise as a 2d rounder.....because he is a QB.....and considered one of the 2-3 best......and because QBs are always overvalued......and because a number of teams need a QB.....I suspect that Goff will not last until round 2.....even if he should.
As of today, Gip- there's no way Goff is going to last until the second round. Every mock I've seen has the Browns taking Goff @ #2.
This guy will have as much influence on the draft is anybody on any of the teams probably.
WSS
Those Cowboy fans are smokin' something if they think they can jump over Browns with just their first and second to take Goff First pick is worth 3,000. Cowboys first, second AND third is only 2590. Add in the qb premium. I've been saying for a couple weeks the 'Pokes will have to offer two firsts and a second to get the Titans interested. I agree with Ag- if we do get jumped, we just sit @ #2 and take Bosa. Tennessee needs a premier LT to keep Mariotta in one piece, and if they drop to #4 they might not get Tunsil- who after reading the bio, compares favorably to Joe Thomas.
Many of the Mock drafts (it's still too early) have four Quarterbacks going in the first round. Example: Goff/Cleve., Wenz/Dallas, Lynch/San Francisco and Connor Cook/ Rams
If this holds true than Cleveland had better take Goff.
Tony Grossing suggests the Browns do what the Redskins did in 2012 and take two QBs. Goff and Cardale Jones. I like going out and getting a free agent but doubt any good ones will be available.
Hue Jackson will be studying his options from now until draft day. After all, taking the wrong guy is a coach killer.
I think we all agree that the quarterback will be the Browns number 1 focus.
I hope Haslam realizes by now how stupid the Manziel pick was and NEVER interferes again!
^This.
As of today, Gip- there's no way Goff is going to last until the second round. Every mock I've seen has the Browns taking Goff @ #2.
Those Cowboy fans are smokin' something if they think they can jump over Browns with just their first and second to take Goff First pick is worth 3,000. Cowboys first, second AND third is only 2590. Add in the qb premium. I've been saying for a couple weeks the 'Pokes will have to offer two firsts and a second to get the Titans interested. I agree with Ag- if we do get jumped, we just sit @ #2 and take Bosa. Tennessee needs a premier LT to keep Mariotta in one piece, and if they drop to #4 they might not get Tunsil- who after reading the bio, compares favorably to Joe Thomas.
^This.
No, the cowpokes trade with us and we take Wentz.
WSS
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I'm not sure Bosa is even the best DE in the draft, much less the best overall prospect.
With that said, I firmly expect him to go #1 to Tennessee now.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
OK here's one, remember the rumours we were willing to offer the number 12 and 19 pick last year to trade with tk to grab Mariota?
What would peoples opinions be now had we done that, looking back with hindsight obviously! Let's face it, Shelton and cam have hardly light it up.
OK here's one, remember the rumours we were willing to offer the number 12 and 19 pick last year to trade with tk to grab Mariota?
What would peoples opinions be now had we done that, looking back with hindsight obviously! Let's face it, Shelton and cam have hardly light it up.
Outside of a select few, the QB evaluation on this board has been godawful.
I'm not sure if there was a single soul on this board who was okay with Mariota or Winston, I believe the overwhelming majority thought them to be not worth the pick.
Yet both managed to have solid rookie years despite their franchises being in utter disarray around them, while our QB was off doing blow off some dudes rod.
(And before you bring up my backing of Manziel, go look at who I was high on pre-draft. Here's a hint...it wasn't Manziel. I didn't start backing him until he became our QB. Which reminds me - I owe miktoxic a sixer.)
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Bosa doesn't want to be here so I want someone who does. Would Bosa resign with us after his rookie contract is up?
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trade down--in the top ten and still pick Lynch,Goff,or Wentz.
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trade down--in the top ten and still pick Lynch,Goff,or Wentz.
Not a fan of this idea. I doubt Jackson, Sashi and the new scoutmaster general are equally excited about all three becoming elite QBs such that they would be happy with any of them. They probably favour one and should 'go get him' if possible. Of course if that guy's gone, you can look at moving down and picking up more picks.
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Denver and Arizona were ppoised to take the next step. Peyton Manning was the product of a little bit of Indianapolis skullduggery who faked the severity an injury while the team sandbagged their way to a first round pick.
Carson Palmer was hampered by being a decent quarterback on a bad team and as usual took more blame that he deserved in Cincinnati. Arizona was on their way up being hampered by a bad quarterback.
The Cardinals were a winning team the season when he was hurt.
I don't think either of those situations applies to us. Also, Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer we're not the missing piece to the puzzle in Cleveland.
WSS
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And back to that veteran with some gas in the tank. It doesn't work if the team sucks or there's not as much gas left as one might think. Example Joe Namath in Los Angeles. Replaced midseason by a mediocre Pat Haden. Cleveland Jake Delhomme.
WSS
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And back to that veteran with some gas in the tank. It doesn't work if the team sucks or there's not as much gas left as one might think. Example Joe Namath in Los Angeles. Replaced midseason by a mediocre Pat Haden. Cleveland Jake Delhomme.
WSS
And back to that veteran with some gas in the tank. It doesn't work if the team sucks or there's not as much gas left as one might think. Example Joe Namath in Los Angeles. Replaced midseason by a mediocre Pat Haden. Cleveland Jake Delhomme.
WSS
Unless you could get Brees or Rivers there's no one even interesting out there.
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