How To Get A Qb
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Why take anyone? They'll just bust
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No matter who we take first I hope we take a chance on cardale jones later. Could be a huge payoff.
JaMarcus Russell part 2
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I'd consider cardale with a 5th or 6th round pick.
We still gotta get the #1 guy
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Why take anyone? They'll just bust
Why take anyone? They'll just bust
If we don't turn the ship around they sure will.
And just for the record I agree, why take anyone?
But especially why take anyone just because he's from Ohio State?
If the Cleveland Browns suck because of the quarterback position yes indeed. Draft your best guess at the number 2 spot.
WSS
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Of course if the team is no better than its been there's a damn good chance he will bust and so will your boy Cardale.Because we don't have one and we need one. If our top pick busts (imagine that) there needs to be a backup plan. What huge defensive picks do the patriots have playing for them? What huge offensive picks?
If the team is only one player, quarterback, away from success AND if the heir apparent to Philip Rivers and Drew Brees is in place and they up salary cap casualties that might help.
WSS
Of course if the team is no better than its been there's a damn good chance he will bust and so will your boy Cardale.
If the team is only one player, quarterback, away from success AND if the heir apparent to Philip Rivers and Drew Brees is in place and they up salary cap casualties that might help.
WSS
The point is there always guys that can play that fall through the cracks. Belichick has built a dynasty finding them. We can't possibly draft to fill all our positions of need so you really have to rank them in importance.
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Of course if the team is no better than its been there's a damn good chance he will bust and so will your boy Cardale.
If the team is only one player, quarterback, away from success AND if the heir apparent to Philip Rivers and Drew Brees is in place and they up salary cap casualties that might help.
WSS
The point is there always guys that can play that fall through the cracks. Belichick has built a dynasty finding them. We can't possibly draft to fill all our positions of need so you really have to rank them in importance.
The point is there always guys that can play that fall through the cracks. Belichick has built a dynasty finding them. We can't possibly draft to fill all our positions of need so you really have to rank them in importance.
New England's entire starting offense only has 1 1st round pick on it.
However, it also has Tom Brady on it.
Really I want to see us go QB @ #2. Pray for the second coming of Gordon, hope and pray we can get a guy like Alshon Jeffrey. Maybe draft a mid-low WR/RB/OL but I think most of our draft should really focus on the defensive front.
Going to a power run game, we really need to find a solid lead FB blocker and a TE bruiser too - but we may be able to find some cheap gems from FA or get UDFAs. For some reason though we haven't been find a decent fullback.
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Well there is a dissenting opinion.
(Yes players do fall through the cracks.
Are there any other second string college quarterbacks you have your eye on?)
WSS
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Well there is a dissenting opinion.
(Yes players do fall through the cracks.
Are there any other second string college quarterbacks you have your eye on?)
WSS
Well there is a dissenting opinion.
(Yes players do fall through the cracks.
Are there any other second string college quarterbacks you have your eye on?)
WSS
Knocks on Goff there are all easily explained by him not being on a very good team:
Doesn't show up in big games (8:8 TD:INT against four big teams) - you watch the games and those teams were all over him, he got no help from the OL.
Not a winner (14-23 record) - Cal was 1-11 before he joined, and this year were 8-5. Lord knows we'd hate that kind of turn around in three years in Cleveland...
Big numbers come from system - it's college. Everyone's big numbers come from the system.
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Well it can't be manziel and I can't see banking on concussion mccown so unless joey bosa can play qb were going to need to get somebody.
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Point being, there's nothing there about his skills, his physical and mental attributes, how they translate to the pros. Lazy 'scouting' to just look at his record and say he's 'not a winner' therefore we shouldn't draft him. Connor Shaw was a winner at South Carolina, something like 26-6 or thereabouts. Does that make him a better QB than Goff? How about Colt McCoy, the 'winningest QB in college history'?
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So how about wentz?
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Well there is a dissenting opinion.
(Yes players do fall through the cracks.
Are there any other second string college quarterbacks you have your eye on?)
WSS
Well there is a dissenting opinion.
(Yes players do fall through the cracks.
Are there any other second string college quarterbacks you have your eye on?)
WSS
That description of Goff doesn't seem accurate at all to me - it's more of a generalization than an evaluation. Transitioning from a spread to pro NFL offense should not automatically disqualify a guy - because several have to make that transition. He has the footwork to make it a painless transition, and he already reads the entire field and makes pre-snap reads + changes plays. Also calling him a loser isn't totally fair, considering the entire Cal team except for him pretty much sucks - he elevated them to a much higher level than they'd otherwise be.
And I can't think of any reason anybody would have their eye on a second string college quarterback - it pretty much never happens. A guy that goes 4 years and can't become a starter on his college team would probably not even be anywhere close to an NFL scout's radar. The only reason Cardale is there is because Browns fans tend to be huge OSU fans - and OSU is a huge program that gets much more national attention.
Meyer's spread option system is also much worse if you're talking about transitioning to a pro offense (Seeing Cardale make this transition is hard for me) than Cal's air raid type offense - which demands a lot more stuff down the field and gives more power to the quarterback.
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Wentz is fine, but we take the #1 prospect with the highest ceiling at #2. That's Goff.
No offense to Wentz, we're talking a 2 year starter from a tiny FCS program against basically no competition - who is rapidly rising based on a limited sample size of his performance. Also rising in big part because of his prototypical size.
I like Wentz, but those things are scary to me. Wentz is also much more raw mentally and physically - he locks on to targets, rougher footwork, struggles getting the right touch on throws, etc.
There's also the fact Wentz missed 2 months this season when he broke his throwing wrist. And apparently has a history of arm and shoulder injuries as a baseball player.
The only QB we'll consider at #2 is Goff - I have no doubts about that. Otherwise we may be looking at a lower prospect like Prescott.
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i think Goff is a reach at #2, it's like another Geno Smith-type scenario where there's no really stand out QB that's worthy of a first-round pick so teams settle on drafting a QB just to draft a QB instead of getting the best player available. Imagine if JFF stayed in school and declared this year, would Goff beat him out?
I think the Browns should go for a stud linebacker at #2 overall, or trade down for more picks since there are a ton of holes on both defense and offense. Roll with McCown and Shaw as QB, draft a project QB in later rounds to groom, let go of Austin Davis. I wouldn't be sad if Manziel got another chance, he did show lots of improvement and I think he can win in this league but I think it's unlikely that Jackson puts up with him.
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Maybe to temper the quarterback obsession?
WSS
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i think Goff is a reach at #2, it's like another Geno Smith-type scenario where there's no really stand out QB that's worthy of a first-round pick so teams settle on drafting a QB just to draft a QB instead of getting the best player available. Imagine if JFF stayed in school and declared this year, would Goff beat him out?
I think the Browns should go for a stud linebacker at #2 overall, or trade down for more picks since there are a ton of holes on both defense and offense. Roll with McCown and Shaw as QB, draft a project QB in later rounds to groom, let go of Austin Davis. I wouldn't be sad if Manziel got another chance, he did show lots of improvement and I think he can win in this league but I think it's unlikely that Jackson puts up with him.
i think Goff is a reach at #2, it's like another Geno Smith-type scenario where there's no really stand out QB that's worthy of a first-round pick so teams settle on drafting a QB just to draft a QB instead of getting the best player available. Imagine if JFF stayed in school and declared this year, would Goff beat him out?
Not even close to a Geno Smith - who was actually taken in the second round. EJ Manuel, however was a big reach at #13 or whatever. I knew, you knew it, the Bills knew it, literally everybody knew it. Not the same situation as this draft - where we have 3 worthy first round prospects.
And JFF wouldn't beat out any of Goff, Wentz, or Lynch.
I'm pretty sure he didn't beat out Bortles, Bridgewater, or Carr either - we're just Retard and ignore our scouting department for text messages.
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Can we hop off the Cardale train? Does anyone really believe he has the mental capacity to be a top QB in this league? Thats what we need to find out. Who is the smartest, quickest thinker of the bunch? Who is the best leader? They all have the arm strength, size, and look of a pro QB. We need to find the guy who can outsmart the defense.
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Maybe to temper the quarterback obsession?
WSS
Maybe to temper the quarterback obsession?
WSS
It would be a disaster if we lost all 3. I think JT will stay and we'll re-sign Schwartz though. I see Mack as 50/50 really.
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http://www.vavel.com/en-us/nfl/592422-2016-nfl-draft-profile-jared-goff.html
Another good analysis on Goff
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Well just from the consensus BB f it is inevitable we take a quarterback with the second pic I would go with your boy. Not because that's the route I think we should go but whatever the risks may be he seems like the best bet on the board.
Sure its no guarantee of success but the best odds anyway.
But I still think he's going to have problems unless we drastically change this teams performance.
WSS
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