Which Qb Goes Where?
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I wouldn't put SF in the doesn't need a QB category. Though they may not draft one high if we go Goff. If we don't go Goff, I'd see him in Dallas or SF.
Though I'm on the Goff train especially if we're talking #2, but you already knew that
I see:
Cleveland - Goff
Philly - someone else (I see them going defense first, idk)
LA - Wentz
Houston - Lynch
Dallas - RG3 in FA
CFL - Johnny Manziel
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What's nice to see looking at this way is that we are in control of our own destiny if we like a QB at #2. There's no guy who warrants trading the whole draft for to Tenn, which means we're sitting pretty to get our guy at #2. Jerry Jones has all but said he wants Manziel, so if we cut him he'll scoop him up by the time he lands in Vegas. Texans are in a good spot to get that "falling" prospect (which I think could be Lynch).
I'm all aboard the Goff train as of today, but we got a long to go obviously.
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What's nice to see looking at this way is that we are in control of our own destiny if we like a QB at #2. There's no guy who warrants trading the whole draft for to Tenn, which means we're sitting pretty to get our guy at #2. Jerry Jones has all but said he wants Manziel, so if we cut him he'll scoop him up by the time he lands in Vegas. Texans are in a good spot to get that "falling" prospect (which I think could be Lynch).
I'm all aboard the Goff train as of today, but we got a long to go obviously.
What's nice to see looking at this way is that we are in control of our own destiny if we like a QB at #2. There's no guy who warrants trading the whole draft for to Tenn, which means we're sitting pretty to get our guy at #2. Jerry Jones has all but said he wants Manziel, so if we cut him he'll scoop him up by the time he lands in Vegas. Texans are in a good spot to get that "falling" prospect (which I think could be Lynch).
I'm all aboard the Goff train as of today, but we got a long to go obviously.
I could actually see Philadelphia mortgaging the future and moving up to #1 for Goff.
It would take three first rounders, but I could see them doing it. Partially because I think Philadelphia is a organization of idiots, and partly because I think Pederson would endorse this move.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
We're in a year where we have three possible franchise quarterbacks at the top of the draft, with three different skill sets, who have all gotten very positive grades thus far from most NFL analysts. Further, we have a QB hitting the free agent market that is young and still has franchise potential.
However, there aren't very many QB needy teams this year. At least, not like in years past. With six QB's taken early over the past two years, there's a bunch of teams that are still finding out what they have in their guys. So who goes where?
Key:
Definitely needs a QB
Maybe could take a QB in draft or FA, but doesn't necessarily NEED one
Doesn't need a QB
1.Tennessee Titans
2. Cleveland Browns
3. San Diego Chargers
4. Dallas Cowboys
5. Jacksonville Jaguars
6. Baltimore Ravens
7. San Francisco 49ers
8. Miami Dolphins
9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
10. New York Giants
11. Chicago Bears
12. New Orleans Saints
13. Philadelphia Eagles
14. Oakland Raiders
15. LA Rams
16. Detroit Lions
17. Atlanta Falcons
18. Indianapolis Colts
19. Buffalo Bills
20. New York Jets
21. Washington Redskins
22. Houston Texans
23. Minnesota Vikings
24. Cincinnati Bengals
25. Green Bay Packers
26. Pittsburgh Steelers
27. Seattle Seahawks
28. Kansas City Chiefs
29. Denver Broncos
30. Arizona Cardinals
31. Carolina Panthers
Draft:
Jared Goff, QB, Cal - NFL Draft Profile Grade 6.72
Goff is obviously the choice that many here are throwing around and he makes sense. He's the most polished of the bunch, and is a great passer already. However, he doesn't blow you away with any one aspect of his game. He doesn't have a cannon, he's not supremely athletic, he's not a big body that shakes off would-be tacklers. He just goes out there, slings the rock 40 times a game, and does it with above average accuracy and decent poise. Some say they see his ceiling as elite-level. I'm not sure that I do. An Aaron Rodgers, I don't believe he is. I see him more as what they gave him on his NFL Draft profile - Matt Ryan. That's not a knock by any means, that's just an observation.
Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis - NFL Draft Profile Grade - 6.71
I don't necessarily agree with this grade of Lynch. He likely has the highest ceiling of all of the QB's - he could very well be a Cam Newton caliber player. But he's going to likely take some time to develop, and that automatically puts him lower than the other two right off the bat in my book. Of all the quarterbacks, I think Lynch has probably the highest ceiling just because he's a physical freak. But there have been many a physical freak that have flunked out in the NFL because they couldn't grasp NFL concepts.
Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State - NFL Draft Profile Grade - 6.13
Carson Wentz is my guy. I'd like to believe I was the second, maybe third, guy here to jump on the Wentzwagon. He has prototypical size, he has every intangible you could ask for, and he's put together an impressive resume at North Dakota State. Granted, the lack of top-tier competition will likely be a giant detractor for him. But if he had played at any other school and posted even similar numbers, I think Wentz would be the consensus #1 QB. As it is now, he's getting top-5 nods. Before, I'd say he'd be available for us at #32, but now I don't think he makes it past Houston. Honestly, if I were in charge, I'd take Wentz at #2.
Free Agents:
Robert Griffin III
RG3 is as good as gone, so where does he end up? The safe bet is Dallas, but I've heard some rumblings of Philly as well.
Sam Bradford
Bradford is a lock to hit the market, I would assume. Somewhere, there is a team that needs a veteran presence that can still possibly win games. Are we one of those teams?
Kirk Cousins
I doubt Washington lets him leave, I'd put the chances of Cousins not re-signing at about 2%.
Other probable availabilities:
Drew Brees
I don't see it happening, but a team in win now mode could offer up something pretty large for Brees. Personally, the only team that makes sense to me is NYJ.
Johnny Manziel
He gone.
Geno Smith
He garbage.
EJ Manuel
He gone and he garbage.
So where do you put these QB's? There are three teams that I think absolutely need to draft a QB - Cleveland, Philadelphia and Houston. The rest of the teams are kind of just "eh, maybe we could take a QB, maybe not" teams, IMO. Here's what I would like to see:
Cleveland - Carson Wentz
Philadelphia - Jared Goff
Houston- Sam Bradford in FA, Paxton Lynch in draft
Dallas - Robert Griffin III
LA (That was weird to type) - EJ Manuel
NYJ - Drew Brees
San Francisco - Johnny Manziel (as backup)
We're in a year where we have three possible franchise quarterbacks at the top of the draft, with three different skill sets, who have all gotten very positive grades thus far from most NFL analysts. Further, we have a QB hitting the free agent market that is young and still has franchise potential.
However, there aren't very many QB needy teams this year. At least, not like in years past. With six QB's taken early over the past two years, there's a bunch of teams that are still finding out what they have in their guys. So who goes where?
Key:
Definitely needs a QB
Maybe could take a QB in draft or FA, but doesn't necessarily NEED one
Doesn't need a QB
7. San Francisco 49ers Will Kelly stick with Kap?
20. New York Jets Fitz is 33, and he's hardly franchise material
My only minor disagreements.
VesnaKociper said:
I think your analysis is flawed. Pittsburgh and Denver are both in the market for a QB, and only a fool doesn't know this. Ben and Peyton are both past their prime. These franchises are both light years ahead of the Browns and they are not going to wait until their team turns to shit to find a successor. If the Browns take a QB, Paxton is the gamble to make. His upside is huge.
Should the Browns not take a QB, the Steelers have the assests to work a trade, move up and get Lynch.
This would be just typical of the Steelers, sneaking in to take yet another player the "experts" don't think is that good, and turning him into an immediate contributor. Ben has had it. This is no secret.
Tom, regarding the Donkeys- Manning is sure as hell on his last legs. Depends how highly Elway views Osweiler. Now regarding the Squealers. You're a damn expert on the subject, and you ought to know they never trade up. Hah- you think they'll give up a player like Shazier, their first, and probably more to move up? Never gonna happen.
Goff, Lynch, & Wentz are probably off the board when the Squealers pick and they need to find a replacement for the 34 year old Will Allen at safety in the first round way more than they need to find The Booger's replacement.
The leftover qbs are going to be in probable order Connor Cook (MSU), Christian Hackenberg (PSU) and hmmmm.... Cardale Jones (THE Ohio State University) I could see Pittsburgh taking a flyer on Jones if he's still there in the third round. Landry Jones kinda sucks.
For that matter, it wouldn't upset me if the Browns did what the Redskins did a few years back- draft TWO quarterbacks, one in the first round, and another in the fifth- it looks like we're going to have 4 picks in that round.
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Ughh, I'm colour (sorry i'm from the UK
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It's too early to tell where the draft picks will go. Player's stock get hot and cold during the next four months, and you never know who will be at their peak when it matters come April. Remember Teddy Twatwater being the top player for several months? Yeah, a "poor pro day" and concerns over his slight frame knocked him all the way down to 30ish. And yes...we somehow passed on him. Not that he's setting the world on fire, but he played in his first...what's that called again? Oh yeah, PLAYOFF GAME. It's amazing what happens when a team has a defense and running game.
Our talent evaluators are currently tearing apart the available QB's. If they determine that Goff has what they are looking for, then he'll be our guy 100%. Jackson has the luxury of having a competent veteran QB, and that takes some pressure off of having Goff immediately ready. Lynch has the jaw-dropping physical traits that make people go ga-ga, but as of right now, I don't want him AT ALL. My mind can always be changed, but right now I see Lynch as more of a work in progress. Not saying he won't be good, but I feel like he might need a good two years on the bench. He appears raw to me, and if I had to guess, his college offense wasn't overly complex, and he probably didn't need to complete many reads on his passing plays (I could be dead wrong, just a guess). That being said, as of right now I see Goff to Cleveland, and Lynch to San Francisco to be with Chip Kelly.
As I've said before, every year sees a QB get hot and shoot up the board. This year I don't see as being any different, and I look for Carson Wentz to blow a team's door's off. He has the mind boggling physical traits, as well as other intangibles. Ideally (to me anyways) the Browns would take Bosa, Tunsil, or Ramsey at 2, and then take Wentz in the second round. However, Wentz won't be there, so it's a pipe dream. Wentz will go to somebody like the Rams at 15.
RG III either goes to Dallas...or get this...Cleveland. Don't think so? Yeah, me either, but it's a possibility, especially if he grades out well with our new analytics. RG III could also land in San Francisco.
Cousins goes NOWHERE. His stock is scorching hot, and Washington won't screw it up. "You like THAT?"
Brees...well...there was a time when I thought New Orleans was going to trade both he and Payton, but that doesn't look likely now. He returns to Saints.
Bradford goes nowhere. He'll have a new coach, and a new offense. He stays put.
Manziel...the only place I see him going is Dallas. It's well known that Jerry loves him, and Manziel has always loved the Cowboys, as he's a Texas boy. Slight possibility of him going to 49's, and that's actually where I'd LIKE to see him. I'd love to see Manziel play for Chip Kelly. Manziel screwed up so many times with us, and he really hurt our franchise. I understand that. However, I want to see him succeed. I want to see him get his life under control, and battle his addiction. I'm tired of seeing people lose their dreams to this awful beast.
EJ Manuel...I never liked him. And that's saying something for me considering how I bleed garnet and gold and love my Seminoles. Hell, I live in Tallahassee, went to FSU, and go to many home games. And I STILL don't want EJ. Nope. No thank you.
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We're in a year where we have three possible franchise quarterbacks at the top of the draft, with three different skill sets, who have all gotten very positive grades thus far from most NFL analysts. Further, we have a QB hitting the free agent market that is young and still has franchise potential.
However, there aren't very many QB needy teams this year. At least, not like in years past. With six QB's taken early over the past two years, there's a bunch of teams that are still finding out what they have in their guys. So who goes where?
Key:
Definitely needs a QB
Maybe could take a QB in draft or FA, but doesn't necessarily NEED one
Doesn't need a QB
7. San Francisco 49ers Will Kelly stick with Kap?
20. New York Jets Fitz is 33, and he's hardly franchise material
My only minor disagreements.
VesnaKociper said:
I think your analysis is flawed. Pittsburgh and Denver are both in the market for a QB, and only a fool doesn't know this. Ben and Peyton are both past their prime. These franchises are both light years ahead of the Browns and they are not going to wait until their team turns to shit to find a successor. If the Browns take a QB, Paxton is the gamble to make. His upside is huge.
Should the Browns not take a QB, the Steelers have the assests to work a trade, move up and get Lynch.
This would be just typical of the Steelers, sneaking in to take yet another player the "experts" don't think is that good, and turning him into an immediate contributor. Ben has had it. This is no secret.
Tom, regarding the Donkeys- Manning is sure as hell on his last legs. Depends how highly Elway views Osweiler. Now regarding the Squealers. You're a damn expert on the subject, and you ought to know they never trade up. Hah- you think they'll give up a player like Shazier, their first, and probably more to move up? Never gonna happen.
Goff, Lynch, & Wentz are probably off the board when the Squealers pick and they need to find a replacement for the 34 year old Will Allen at safety in the first round way more than they need to find The Booger's replacement.
The leftover qbs are going to be in probable order Connor Cook (MSU), Christian Hackenberg (PSU) and hmmmm.... Cardale Jones (THE Ohio State University) I could see Pittsburgh taking a flyer on Jones if he's still there in the third round. Landry Jones kinda sucks.
For that matter, it wouldn't upset me if the Browns did what the Redskins did a few years back- draft TWO quarterbacks, one in the first round, and another in the fifth- it looks like we're going to have 4 picks in that round.
Tom, regarding the Donkeys- Manning is sure as hell on his last legs. Depends how highly Elway views Osweiler. Now regarding the Squealers. You're a damn expert on the subject, and you ought to know they never trade up. Hah- you think they'll give up a player like Shazier, their first, and probably more to move up? Never gonna happen.
Goff, Lynch, & Wentz are probably off the board when the Squealers pick and they need to find a replacement for the 34 year old Will Allen at safety in the first round way more than they need to find The Booger's replacement.
The leftover qbs are going to be in probable order Connor Cook (MSU), Christian Hackenberg (PSU) and hmmmm.... Cardale Jones (THE Ohio State University) I could see Pittsburgh taking a flyer on Jones if he's still there in the third round. Landry Jones kinda sucks.
For that matter, it wouldn't upset me if the Browns did what the Redskins did a few years back- draft TWO quarterbacks, one in the first round, and another in the fifth- it looks like we're going to have 4 picks in that round.
I think Kelly stays with Kaep; he tried to get him in Philly.
I would have included NYJ in the definitely list of Fitzpatrick hadn't played so well this season. 4,000 yards, 31 TDs and 15 INTs is enough of a season to make you question going for a QB. If they don't go all in for Brees or something, I could see them taking a Cook or Hackenburg in the second round.
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What's nice to see looking at this way is that we are in control of our own destiny if we like a QB at #2. There's no guy who warrants trading the whole draft for to Tenn, which means we're sitting pretty to get our guy at #2. Jerry Jones has all but said he wants Manziel, so if we cut him he'll scoop him up by the time he lands in Vegas. Texans are in a good spot to get that "falling" prospect (which I think could be Lynch).
I'm all aboard the Goff train as of today, but we got a long to go obviously.
I could actually see Philadelphia mortgaging the future and moving up to #1 for Goff.
It would take three first rounders, but I could see them doing it. Partially because I think Philadelphia is a organization of idiots, and partly because I think Pederson would endorse this move.
I could actually see Philadelphia mortgaging the future and moving up to #1 for Goff.
It would take three first rounders, but I could see them doing it. Partially because I think Philadelphia is a organization of idiots, and partly because I think Pederson would endorse this move.
Eh, I don't see it unless Goff just blows people away in pre-draft stuff. He's a top tier prospect but not the once every 10 years type.
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I could actually see Philadelphia mortgaging the future and moving up to #1 for Goff.
It would take three first rounders, but I could see them doing it. Partially because I think Philadelphia is a organization of idiots, and partly because I think Pederson would endorse this move.
Eh, I don't see it unless Goff just blows people away in pre-draft stuff. He's a top tier prospect but not the once every 10 years type.
Eh, I don't see it unless Goff just blows people away in pre-draft stuff. He's a top tier prospect but not the once every 10 years type.
I don't see it either - teams desperate for talent aren't as dumb as they used to be, it's pretty widely accepted you don't give up the farm for 1 prospect anymore (well, since the Redskins at least)
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What's nice to see looking at this way is that we are in control of our own destiny if we like a QB at #2. There's no guy who warrants trading the whole draft for to Tenn, which means we're sitting pretty to get our guy at #2. Jerry Jones has all but said he wants Manziel, so if we cut him he'll scoop him up by the time he lands in Vegas. Texans are in a good spot to get that "falling" prospect (which I think could be Lynch).
I'm all aboard the Goff train as of today, but we got a long to go obviously.
What's nice to see looking at this way is that we are in control of our own destiny if we like a QB at #2. There's no guy who warrants trading the whole draft for to Tenn, which means we're sitting pretty to get our guy at #2. Jerry Jones has all but said he wants Manziel, so if we cut him he'll scoop him up by the time he lands in Vegas. Texans are in a good spot to get that "falling" prospect (which I think could be Lynch).
I'm all aboard the Goff train as of today, but we got a long to go obviously.
This(that there is no guy who warrants trading up) has me a bit lukewarm about our prospects at #2.....
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We're in a year where we have three possible franchise quarterbacks at the top of the draft, with three different skill sets, who have all gotten very positive grades thus far from most NFL analysts. Further, we have a QB hitting the free agent market that is young and still has franchise potential.
However, there aren't very many QB needy teams this year. At least, not like in years past. With six QB's taken early over the past two years, there's a bunch of teams that are still finding out what they have in their guys. So who goes where?
Key:
Definitely needs a QB
Maybe could take a QB in draft or FA, but doesn't necessarily NEED one
Doesn't need a QB
1.Tennessee Titans
2. Cleveland Browns
3. San Diego Chargers
4. Dallas Cowboys
5. Jacksonville Jaguars
6. Baltimore Ravens
7. San Francisco 49ers
8. Miami Dolphins
9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
10. New York Giants
11. Chicago Bears
12. New Orleans Saints
13. Philadelphia Eagles
14. Oakland Raiders
15. LA Rams
16. Detroit Lions
17. Atlanta Falcons
18. Indianapolis Colts
19. Buffalo Bills
20. New York Jets
21. Washington Redskins
22. Houston Texans
23. Minnesota Vikings
24. Cincinnati Bengals
25. Green Bay Packers
26. Pittsburgh Steelers
27. Seattle Seahawks
28. Kansas City Chiefs
29. Denver Broncos
30. Arizona Cardinals
31. Carolina Panthers
Draft:
Jared Goff, QB, Cal - NFL Draft Profile Grade 6.72
Goff is obviously the choice that many here are throwing around and he makes sense. He's the most polished of the bunch, and is a great passer already. However, he doesn't blow you away with any one aspect of his game. He doesn't have a cannon, he's not supremely athletic, he's not a big body that shakes off would-be tacklers. He just goes out there, slings the rock 40 times a game, and does it with above average accuracy and decent poise. Some say they see his ceiling as elite-level. I'm not sure that I do. An Aaron Rodgers, I don't believe he is. I see him more as what they gave him on his NFL Draft profile - Matt Ryan. That's not a knock by any means, that's just an observation.
Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis - NFL Draft Profile Grade - 6.71
I don't necessarily agree with this grade of Lynch. He likely has the highest ceiling of all of the QB's - he could very well be a Cam Newton caliber player. But he's going to likely take some time to develop, and that automatically puts him lower than the other two right off the bat in my book. Of all the quarterbacks, I think Lynch has probably the highest ceiling just because he's a physical freak. But there have been many a physical freak that have flunked out in the NFL because they couldn't grasp NFL concepts.
Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State - NFL Draft Profile Grade - 6.13
Carson Wentz is my guy. I'd like to believe I was the second, maybe third, guy here to jump on the Wentzwagon. He has prototypical size, he has every intangible you could ask for, and he's put together an impressive resume at North Dakota State. Granted, the lack of top-tier competition will likely be a giant detractor for him. But if he had played at any other school and posted even similar numbers, I think Wentz would be the consensus #1 QB. As it is now, he's getting top-5 nods. Before, I'd say he'd be available for us at #32, but now I don't think he makes it past Houston. Honestly, if I were in charge, I'd take Wentz at #2.
Free Agents:
Robert Griffin III
RG3 is as good as gone, so where does he end up? The safe bet is Dallas, but I've heard some rumblings of Philly as well.
Sam Bradford
Bradford is a lock to hit the market, I would assume. Somewhere, there is a team that needs a veteran presence that can still possibly win games. Are we one of those teams?
Kirk Cousins
I doubt Washington lets him leave, I'd put the chances of Cousins not re-signing at about 2%.
Other probable availabilities:
Drew Brees
I don't see it happening, but a team in win now mode could offer up something pretty large for Brees. Personally, the only team that makes sense to me is NYJ.
Johnny Manziel
He gone.
Geno Smith
He garbage.
EJ Manuel
He gone and he garbage.
So where do you put these QB's? There are three teams that I think absolutely need to draft a QB - Cleveland, Philadelphia and Houston. The rest of the teams are kind of just "eh, maybe we could take a QB, maybe not" teams, IMO. Here's what I would like to see:
Cleveland - Carson Wentz
Philadelphia - Jared Goff
Houston- Sam Bradford in FA, Paxton Lynch in draft
Dallas - Robert Griffin III
LA (That was weird to type) - EJ Manuel
NYJ - Drew Brees
San Francisco - Johnny Manziel (as backup)
It's laughable at who you put in the 'doesn't need qb' category. About half the teams in the nfl 'need' a qb in the sense that if a truly good guy were there they would want him badly.
San francisco? Miami? They are *not* happy with what they have, and if the right guy was available they would definately try jumping up. They may not think any of these are the right guys though.
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What's nice to see looking at this way is that we are in control of our own destiny if we like a QB at #2. There's no guy who warrants trading the whole draft for to Tenn, which means we're sitting pretty to get our guy at #2. Jerry Jones has all but said he wants Manziel, so if we cut him he'll scoop him up by the time he lands in Vegas. Texans are in a good spot to get that "falling" prospect (which I think could be Lynch).
I'm all aboard the Goff train as of today, but we got a long to go obviously.
This(that there is no guy who warrants trading up) has me a bit lukewarm about our prospects at #2.....
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The first fallacy of this entire thread is the statement: "There are three potential franchise QBs that may be available in this draft".
I say that is true only if a bolt of lightning comes down and strikes the OP.
Most honest pundits say that the best of these QBs is second round talent....but because they are QBs they will be overevaluated. Yo have your Christian Ponders, Blaine Gabberts, Brandon Weedens, Brady Quinns going for you here.....all of who were touted as first round talent....but were not.
Cleveland - Carson Wentz...maybe with our #32 pick
Philadelphia - Jared Goff
Houston- Sam Bradford in FA, Paxton Lynch in draft
Dallas - Robert Griffin III
LA (That was weird to type) - EJ Manuel
NYJ - Drew Brees
San Francisco - Johnny Manziel (as backup)
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VesnaKociper said:
I think your analysis is flawed. Pittsburgh and Denver are both in the market for a QB, and only a fool doesn't know this. Ben and Peyton are both past their prime. These franchises are both light years ahead of the Browns and they are not going to wait until their team turns to shit to find a successor. If the Browns take a QB, Paxton is the gamble to make. His upside is huge.
Should the Browns not take a QB, the Steelers have the assests to work a trade, move up and get Lynch.
This would be just typical of the Steelers, sneaking in to take yet another player the "experts" don't think is that good, and turning him into an immediate contributor. Ben has had it. This is no secret.
I think you are right that both Pitt and Denver may be in the market for a QB.....but in Pittsburgh's case, I think they thing that they have 5 years left out of BR and that they do not want to invest a 1st rounder on a QB at this point. This year I do think they pick a "developmental" QB in a later round.
And is Denver all in on Brock Osweiler? You make a point.....they may not be and may in fact let him go and be in the market for a QB high in this draft.
But....honestly.....I think that most think that no QB in this draft is as good as Brock Osweiler....
So? What happens then? They give him a long term deal? Let him go and get another....or "settle" for what may be perceived as a lesser talented QB in this draft and hope to get lucky?
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We're in a year where we have three possible franchise quarterbacks at the top of the draft, with three different skill sets, who have all gotten very positive grades thus far from most NFL analysts. Further, we have a QB hitting the free agent market that is young and still has franchise potential.
However, there aren't very many QB needy teams this year. At least, not like in years past. With six QB's taken early over the past two years, there's a bunch of teams that are still finding out what they have in their guys. So who goes where?
Key:
Definitely needs a QB
Maybe could take a QB in draft or FA, but doesn't necessarily NEED one
Doesn't need a QB
7. San Francisco 49ers Will Kelly stick with Kap?
20. New York Jets Fitz is 33, and he's hardly franchise material
My only minor disagreements.
VesnaKociper said:
I think your analysis is flawed. Pittsburgh and Denver are both in the market for a QB, and only a fool doesn't know this. Ben and Peyton are both past their prime. These franchises are both light years ahead of the Browns and they are not going to wait until their team turns to shit to find a successor. If the Browns take a QB, Paxton is the gamble to make. His upside is huge.
Should the Browns not take a QB, the Steelers have the assests to work a trade, move up and get Lynch.
This would be just typical of the Steelers, sneaking in to take yet another player the "experts" don't think is that good, and turning him into an immediate contributor. Ben has had it. This is no secret.
Tom, regarding the Donkeys- Manning is sure as hell on his last legs. Depends how highly Elway views Osweiler. Now regarding the Squealers. You're a damn expert on the subject, and you ought to know they never trade up. Hah- you think they'll give up a player like Shazier, their first, and probably more to move up? Never gonna happen.
Goff, Lynch, & Wentz are probably off the board when the Squealers pick and they need to find a replacement for the 34 year old Will Allen at safety in the first round way more than they need to find The Booger's replacement.
The leftover qbs are going to be in probable order Connor Cook (MSU), Christian Hackenberg (PSU) and hmmmm.... Cardale Jones (THE Ohio State University) I could see Pittsburgh taking a flyer on Jones if he's still there in the third round. Landry Jones kinda sucks.
For that matter, it wouldn't upset me if the Browns did what the Redskins did a few years back- draft TWO quarterbacks, one in the first round, and another in the fifth- it looks like we're going to have 4 picks in that round.
Tom, regarding the Donkeys- Manning is sure as hell on his last legs. Depends how highly Elway views Osweiler. Now regarding the Squealers. You're a damn expert on the subject, and you ought to know they never trade up. Hah- you think they'll give up a player like Shazier, their first, and probably more to move up? Never gonna happen.
Goff, Lynch, & Wentz are probably off the board when the Squealers pick and they need to find a replacement for the 34 year old Will Allen at safety in the first round way more than they need to find The Booger's replacement.
The leftover qbs are going to be in probable order Connor Cook (MSU), Christian Hackenberg (PSU) and hmmmm.... Cardale Jones (THE Ohio State University) I could see Pittsburgh taking a flyer on Jones if he's still there in the third round. Landry Jones kinda sucks.
For that matter, it wouldn't upset me if the Browns did what the Redskins did a few years back- draft TWO quarterbacks, one in the first round, and another in the fifth- it looks like we're going to have 4 picks in that round.
Pittsburgh loves Ohio State players.....so they may in fact go for Cardale Jones.
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OK....what would you rather have:
Brock Osweiler....
or any QB available in this draft?
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I could actually see Philadelphia mortgaging the future and moving up to #1 for Goff.
It would take three first rounders, but I could see them doing it. Partially because I think Philadelphia is a organization of idiots, and partly because I think Pederson would endorse this move.
Eh, I don't see it unless Goff just blows people away in pre-draft stuff. He's a top tier prospect but not the once every 10 years type.
Eh, I don't see it unless Goff just blows people away in pre-draft stuff. He's a top tier prospect but not the once every 10 years type.
I think he will. He'll interview well, he'll probably be near perfect in his combine throwing, he'll have an average 40 time.
I don't see it either - teams desperate for talent aren't as dumb as they used to be, it's pretty widely accepted you don't give up the farm for 1 prospect anymore (well, since the Redskins at least)
Philadelphia is a dumb team who missed out on their top head coaching choices and the only QB they have under contract is Mark Sanchez, who becomes a free agent next year. They are desperate to erase the Chip Kelly fiasco from history and in order to do that, Howie Roseman is likely looking to give the team a figurehead to support. Lord knows its not Doug Pederson.
If Goff impresses at the combine, I feel very confident that we can convince them we're taking Goff at #2.
It's laughable at who you put in the 'doesn't need qb' category. About half the teams in the nfl 'need' a qb in the sense that if a truly good guy were there they would want him badly.
San francisco? Miami? They are *not* happy with what they have, and if the right guy was available they would definately try jumping up. They may not think any of these are the right guys though.
Do you think Miami hired Adam Gase because they wanted to retool their QB position? You think they went out and got a guy who was heralded as a "QB guru" because they're giving up on their first round QB project? Ryan Tannehill is Miami right now, for some reason. Despite his garbage performances, they keep him. He's on his third head coach and third GM, yet he's still there. Stephen Ross loves him and I'm sure the hiring of Gase had a lot to do with his supposed QB development potential (despite the fact he's just had the luck to work with two talented QB's).
Chip Kelly tried to get Kaep to Philly, I think it's safe to say he's comfortable going into this season with him at QB.
But I'd love to see evidence to the contrary.
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The first fallacy of this entire thread is the statement: "There are three potential franchise QBs that may be available in this draft".
I say that is true only if a bolt of lightning comes down and strikes the OP.
Most honest pundits say that the best of these QBs is second round talent....but because they are QBs they will be overevaluated. Yo have your Christian Ponders, Blaine Gabberts, Brandon Weedens, Brady Quinns going for you here.....all of who were touted as first round talent....but were not.
Cleveland - Carson Wentz...maybe with our #32 pick
Philadelphia - Jared Goff
Houston- Sam Bradford in FA, Paxton Lynch in draft
Dallas - Robert Griffin III
LA (That was weird to type) - EJ Manuel
NYJ - Drew Brees
San Francisco - Johnny Manziel (as backup)
Most honest pundits say that the best of these QBs is second round talent....
I still refute this claim.
Most have Goff as a top 5 overall prospect, and the #1 prospect among QBs.
They have Wentz/Lynch in the 15-40 range as overall prospects, #2-3 among QBs.
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The first fallacy of this entire thread is the statement: "There are three potential franchise QBs that may be available in this draft".
I say that is true only if a bolt of lightning comes down and strikes the OP.
Most honest pundits say that the best of these QBs is second round talent....but because they are QBs they will be overevaluated. Yo have your Christian Ponders, Blaine Gabberts, Brandon Weedens, Brady Quinns going for you here.....all of who were touted as first round talent....but were not.
Cleveland - Carson Wentz...maybe with our #32 pick
Philadelphia - Jared Goff
Houston- Sam Bradford in FA, Paxton Lynch in draft
Dallas - Robert Griffin III
LA (That was weird to type) - EJ Manuel
NYJ - Drew Brees
San Francisco - Johnny Manziel (as backup)
The first fallacy of this entire thread is the statement: "There are three potential franchise QBs that may be available in this draft".
I say that is true only if a bolt of lightning comes down and strikes the OP.
Most honest pundits say that the best of these QBs is second round talent....but because they are QBs they will be overevaluated. Yo have your Christian Ponders, Blaine Gabberts, Brandon Weedens, Brady Quinns going for you here.....all of who were touted as first round talent....but were not.
Cleveland - Carson Wentz...maybe with our #32 pick
Philadelphia - Jared Goff
Houston- Sam Bradford in FA, Paxton Lynch in draft
Dallas - Robert Griffin III
LA (That was weird to type) - EJ Manuel
NYJ - Drew Brees
San Francisco - Johnny Manziel (as backup)
Both Paxton Lynch (6.71) and Jared Goff (6.73) so far have higher draft profile grades than any QB taken in the last two years - including Winston (6.7), Mariota (6.27) and Bortles (6.22). Wentz (6.13) has the almost the same grade as Bridgewater (6.15), Carr (6.14) and Manziel (6.12). These grades aren't given on a curve compared to the rest of this year's crop, it's a 10 point scale that the NFL has used for the past two-three years.
Whatever "honest pundits" you've been reading are far from correct. I'd love to see examples of this "honest" evaluation.
Wentz won't make it past #22. All three of these QB's will be gone before the first round is over. Houston, Cleveland, and Philadelphia will all take a QB this year.
Your Weeden, Quinn, Ponder, Gabbert comparisons aren't even close to being apt, I'm not sure where you pulled those names from. Not one single QB in this draft compares favorably to any of those players.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Twatwater didn't set the world on fire. Even Christian Ponder took Minn. to the playoffs behind AP. Get a grip on something besides his cock.
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