How To Get A Qb
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Getting a quality quarterback in free agency or through a trade is extremely difficult. These types of QB's generally attract interest from multiple teams, and several can almost pick and choose where they want to play the remainder of their career. Getting somebody to play in the windy, cold atmosphere of Cleveland is difficult. Never mind that our Browns have been a constant mess and a place where many players go to die. It would be so hard to trade for a quality player at the QB position. What team in their right mind would let a starting QB go? Arizona got Carson Palmer, sure, but remember how? Palmer went to Oakland and did not play all that well. It wasn't like the Cardinals were getting a sure thing. New Orleans got Drew Brees, but only because the Bolts had Phillip Rivers. And if you remember, Brees was coming off a nasty shoulder injury, and his future was far from certain. Peyton Manning? Yeah...one of the most prolific free agents ever, and a guy like THAT isn't coming to Cleveland (no offense to our beloved team).
Any QB we're going to get through free agency or a trade will have a ton of question marks. Guys like RG III, Kaepernick, etc.
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VesnaKociper said:
Gipper, I don't think the Browns or anyone else can learn anything by looking at history, other than the obvious.
Perhaps not....but I like doing it.
You can't win championships without a great QB.
And no matter what method the Browns have used....it hasn't worked.
You can probably research and see the places the great ones came from in regards to draft position. I would bet 1st rounder represent the biggest sector, but not by a huge majority. Getting a great , proven FA is obviously the best probability, but good luck finding one. Again, if it were me in charge I would trade the benefit of being the starting QB no BS with JM, in exchange for his commitment that he wants it.
I think it would actually be proven that more championship caliber QBs come from high draft picks.
If not, they the Browns can't take Bosa, they have to take Goff, OR the better prospect, Paxton Lynch.
This is not a matter of a QB prospect guaranteeing us a SB, it is a matter of the Browns biggest glaring weakness is QB. That position deserves top priority. The risk involved is the most expensive, but it is the most likely to pay dividends.
That is why I started this thread.....the Browns need a good QB....how the hell do they get one?
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Btw, we've done this - you've done this - countless times before. There are multiple ways of getting a great QB, none is fool proof and most times you try you'll fail. Don't stop trying, though.
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I'm not sure Bosa is even the best DE in the draft, much less the best overall prospect.
With that said, I firmly expect him to go #1 to Tennessee now.
I'm not sure Bosa is even the best DE in the draft, much less the best overall prospect.
You do love swimming against the tide...
And the reason I hesitate to do that is the fact that the homers will go absolutely out of their minds if he doesn't start immediately and for a long period of time regardless of his performance.
I haven't got anything against the kid but he did lose the starting job on the team he took to the national championship in three spectacular outings.
Pretty sure that after two-years of training we can resist calls for a QB who is clearly not ready to play...
Big numbers come from system - it's college. Everyone's big numbers come from the system.
There are a couple legit issues around Goff's numbers...
- he played from behind a lot against better teams playing "soft";
- his Offense sputtered in the red zone.
The former is what it is and Goff's stats did benefit. The latter is not unusual when a spread offense gets compressed and has no power options to turn to... and Cal did not.
i think Goff is a reach at #2...
He may well be, but how much of a "reach"? No doubt he's a 1st Rounder. He's easily Top 20... arguably Top 10... likely Top 5.
At what point does the reach become "unacceptable"?
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I'm not sure Bosa is even the best DE in the draft, much less the best overall prospect.
You do love swimming against the tide...
And the reason I hesitate to do that is the fact that the homers will go absolutely out of their minds if he doesn't start immediately and for a long period of time regardless of his performance.
I haven't got anything against the kid but he did lose the starting job on the team he took to the national championship in three spectacular outings.
Pretty sure that after two-years of training we can resist calls for a QB who is clearly not ready to play...
Big numbers come from system - it's college. Everyone's big numbers come from the system.
There are a couple legit issues around Goff's numbers...
- he played from behind a lot against better teams playing "soft";
- his Offense sputtered in the red zone.
The former is what it is and Goff's stats did benefit. The latter is not unusual when a spread offense gets compressed and has no power options to turn to... and Cal did not.
i think Goff is a reach at #2...
He may well be, but how much of a "reach"? No doubt he's a 1st Rounder. He's easily Top 20... arguably Top 10... likely Top 5.
At what point does the reach become "unacceptable"?
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Maybe to temper the quarterback obsession?
WSS
It would be a disaster if we lost all 3. I think JT will stay and we'll re-sign Schwartz though. I see Mack as 50/50 really.
It would be a disaster if we lost all 3. I think JT will stay and we'll re-sign Schwartz though. I see Mack as 50/50 really.
I still think the whole JT thing is way overblown. I count Mack as gone. Schwartz is the key and I hope our odds are as good as 50/50.
http://www.vavel.com/en-us/nfl/592422-2016-nfl-draft-profile-jared-goff.html
Another good analysis on Goff
And it actually was an "analysis" rather than a glossy generalization. One of the things mentioned, but Goff still does not get enough credit for is his "niftiness" in the pocket.
In one of his tapes at DraftBreakdown, you can hear a commentator (may have been McShay who was a "sideline reporter" for a game) say something to the effect of: "He has a sharp focus downfield and a soft focus in his immediate area."
I'd never heard pocket presence put that way, but it was dead on. Time after time I have seen Goff react to pressure at which he never seemed to look. It's not "feeling pressure". It's trusting and reacting to his peripheral input without having to confirm it by looking at it.
Put another way... after five tapes and counting, I have never seen Goff look "frantic".
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Tour, the biggest thing for me by far that stands out with Goff is his ability to slide up and away from pressure in the pocket. Seen him countless times just sidestep a blitzer, or turn and roll out at just the right time, as opposed to being a statue or being to quick to bolt.
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Tour, the biggest thing for me by far that stands out with Goff is his ability to slide up and away from pressure in the pocket. Seen him countless times just sidestep a blitzer, or turn and roll out at just the right time, as opposed to being a statue or being to quick to bolt.
Tour, the biggest thing for me by far that stands out with Goff is his ability to slide up and away from pressure in the pocket. Seen him countless times just sidestep a blitzer, or turn and roll out at just the right time, as opposed to being a statue or being to quick to bolt.
That's it! And how many times have you seen him turn his head to look at the defender pressuring him?
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http://www.vavel.com/en-us/nfl/592422-2016-nfl-draft-profile-jared-goff.html
Another good analysis on Goff
http://www.vavel.com/en-us/nfl/592422-2016-nfl-draft-profile-jared-goff.html
Another good analysis on Goff
I see similar things in there. Accurate, escapes pressure well. The things highlighted as weaknesses are the things that are eminently coachable - footwork, mainly, and some throwing mechanics.
I'm getting ahead of myself, and have rarely been so excited by a prospect, and there's a decent chance he'll bust as with any QB (and most picked by us). But thinking about drafting Goff, keeping Mack/Schwartz/Benjamin, signing someone like Alshon Jeffrey and then adding Josh Gordon to the mix? It's enough to make me go all PoeticG...
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I'm not sure Bosa is even the best DE in the draft, much less the best overall prospect.
You do love swimming against the tide...
And the reason I hesitate to do that is the fact that the homers will go absolutely out of their minds if he doesn't start immediately and for a long period of time regardless of his performance.
I haven't got anything against the kid but he did lose the starting job on the team he took to the national championship in three spectacular outings.
Pretty sure that after two-years of training we can resist calls for a QB who is clearly not ready to play...
Big numbers come from system - it's college. Everyone's big numbers come from the system.
There are a couple legit issues around Goff's numbers...
- he played from behind a lot against better teams playing "soft";
- his Offense sputtered in the red zone.
The former is what it is and Goff's stats did benefit. The latter is not unusual when a spread offense gets compressed and has no power options to turn to... and Cal did not.
i think Goff is a reach at #2...
He may well be, but how much of a "reach"? No doubt he's a 1st Rounder. He's easily Top 20... arguably Top 10... likely Top 5.
At what point does the reach become "unacceptable"?
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http://www.vavel.com/en-us/nfl/592422-2016-nfl-draft-profile-jared-goff.html
Another good analysis on Goff
I see similar things in there. Accurate, escapes pressure well. The things highlighted as weaknesses are the things that are eminently coachable - footwork, mainly, and some throwing mechanics.
I'm getting ahead of myself, and have rarely been so excited by a prospect, and there's a decent chance he'll bust as with any QB (and most picked by us). But thinking about drafting Goff, keeping Mack/Schwartz/Benjamin, signing someone like Alshon Jeffrey and then adding Josh Gordon to the mix? It's enough to make me go all PoeticG...
I'm getting ahead of myself, and have rarely been so excited by a prospect, and there's a decent chance he'll bust as with any QB (and most picked by us). But thinking about drafting Goff, keeping Mack/Schwartz/Benjamin, signing someone like Alshon Jeffrey and then adding Josh Gordon to the mix? It's enough to make me go all PoeticG...
Sounds like a good reason to go all PoeticG to me. I'm pretty much there, but not without good reason.
Getting Alshon Jeffrey would be pretty nice...
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http://www.vavel.com/en-us/nfl/592422-2016-nfl-draft-profile-jared-goff.html
Another good analysis on Goff
I see similar things in there. Accurate, escapes pressure well. The things highlighted as weaknesses are the things that are eminently coachable - footwork, mainly, and some throwing mechanics.
I'm getting ahead of myself, and have rarely been so excited by a prospect, and there's a decent chance he'll bust as with any QB (and most picked by us). But thinking about drafting Goff, keeping Mack/Schwartz/Benjamin, signing someone like Alshon Jeffrey and then adding Josh Gordon to the mix? It's enough to make me go all PoeticG...
I see similar things in there. Accurate, escapes pressure well. The things highlighted as weaknesses are the things that are eminently coachable - footwork, mainly, and some throwing mechanics.
The comment about needing proper footwork to maximize his throwing range is correct, but his arm is not that weak and pressure in the face will force every QB in the draft, and nearly all in the NFL, to either throw off their back foot or step to the side rather than to their target. The key is whether mechanics are consistent when pressure is "phantom". So far what I have seen from Goff says they are.
The only mystery variation I have seen is the length of his delivery's release. Not quite sure what is going on there as yet, but it ranges from tight over his back shoulder to at times a near Wheezy windup from his waist. Fortunately there's is a lot more of the former than the latter... a lot more.
You're dreaming.
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I see similar things in there. Accurate, escapes pressure well. The things highlighted as weaknesses are the things that are eminently coachable - footwork, mainly, and some throwing mechanics.
The comment about needing proper footwork to maximize his throwing range is correct, but his arm is not that weak and pressure in the face will force every QB in the draft, and nearly all in the NFL, to either throw off their back foot or step to the side rather than to their target. The key is whether mechanics are consistent when pressure is "phantom". So far what I have seen from Goff says they are.
The only mystery variation I have seen is the length of his delivery's release. Not quite sure what is going on there as yet, but it ranges from tight over his back shoulder to at times a near Wheezy windup from his waist. Fortunately there's is a lot more of the former than the latter... a lot more.
You're dreaming.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one..."
The comment about needing proper footwork to maximize his throwing range is correct, but his arm is not that weak and pressure in the face will force every QB in the draft, and nearly all in the NFL, to either throw off their back foot or step to the side rather than to their target. The key is whether mechanics are consistent when pressure is "phantom". So far what I have seen from Goff says they are.
The only mystery variation I have seen is the length of his delivery's release. Not quite sure what is going on there as yet, but it ranges from tight over his back shoulder to at times a near Wheezy windup from his waist. Fortunately there's is a lot more of the former than the latter... a lot more.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one..."
the problem is that when you make the transition to nfl(from college) there is a big relative drop off in arm strength. A college arm that is 'pretty strong' can easily become a 'sorta weak' arm in the nfl. Take a guy like matt ryan. He had a 'strong arm' in college, but it wasn't really a cannon or a bazooka. It wasn't an aaron rodgers or joe flacco arm iow. And now midway through his nfl career, how would you assess his arm strength? I would use terms like adequate....he certainly would be a better qb if he had the sort of arm talent from different positions rodgers or stafford(stafford would be a lot better if he had other strengths as well...different strengths), flacco, etc have. But he doesn't.
I'm not saying that Goff's arm talent isn't good...it is. Just that it doesn't jump off the page at me.....
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The comment about needing proper footwork to maximize his throwing range is correct, but his arm is not that weak and pressure in the face will force every QB in the draft, and nearly all in the NFL, to either throw off their back foot or step to the side rather than to their target. The key is whether mechanics are consistent when pressure is "phantom". So far what I have seen from Goff says they are.
The only mystery variation I have seen is the length of his delivery's release. Not quite sure what is going on there as yet, but it ranges from tight over his back shoulder to at times a near Wheezy windup from his waist. Fortunately there's is a lot more of the former than the latter... a lot more.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one..."
the problem is that when you make the transition to nfl(from college) there is a big relative drop off in arm strength. A college arm that is 'pretty strong' can easily become a 'sorta weak' arm in the nfl. Take a guy like matt ryan. He had a 'strong arm' in college, but it wasn't really a cannon or a bazooka. It wasn't an aaron rodgers or joe flacco arm iow. And now midway through his nfl career, how would you assess his arm strength? I would use terms like adequate....he certainly would be a better qb if he had the sort of arm talent from different positions rodgers or stafford(stafford would be a lot better if he had other strengths as well...different strengths), flacco, etc have. But he doesn't.
I'm not saying that Goff's arm talent isn't good...it is. Just that it doesn't jump off the page at me.....
the problem is that when you make the transition to nfl(from college) there is a big relative drop off in arm strength. A college arm that is 'pretty strong' can easily become a 'sorta weak' arm in the nfl. Take a guy like matt ryan. He had a 'strong arm' in college, but it wasn't really a cannon or a bazooka. It wasn't an aaron rodgers or joe flacco arm iow. And now midway through his nfl career, how would you assess his arm strength? I would use terms like adequate....he certainly would be a better qb if he had the sort of arm talent from different positions rodgers or stafford(stafford would be a lot better if he had other strengths as well...different strengths), flacco, etc have. But he doesn't.
I'm not saying that Goff's arm talent isn't good...it is. Just that it doesn't jump off the page at me.....
I understand your point and slightly agree, but it's not...entirely...true?
I THINK what you're trying to say is that a "college arm" gets you more in college but in the NFL, where the windows are tighter, it doesn't get you as much.
A 60 yard pass is a 60 yard pass, regardless of level. A 20 yard laser is a 20 yard laser, regardless of level. The arm strength doesn't change drastically over the course of a player's career, unless you're pulling a Manning.
What you're talking about is more of an arm strength + accuracy + timing thing - which is mostly exhibited on intermediate throws.
In college, a QB can get by with a (let's put this on a 1-10 scale, with 5 being average) 6 for an arm just because the timing doesn't have to be as precise. He can hang a 20 yard post a bit more because the safety isn't going to break on it as fast. He can put a little more air on a 15-and-out because the corner can't make it back to the ball.
Matt Ryan, IIRC, was never a strong armed QB - even in college. I seem to remember him drawing comparisons to an NFL version of Chad Pennington, actually. He was efficient in the short and intermediate game, and could drive the ball on certain throws, but he wasn't routinely slinging 45 yarders with relative ease. His yards per attempt in college were slightly low, only at around 7 YPA. Compare that to guys like Rodgers, Flacco, Goff, Luck, etc. who are in the 8-9 YPA range in college.
His arm strength hasn't changed, it's the windows that have changed. Luckily, Ryan is a cerebral QB with a fine-tuned internal clock, so the effect isn't felt as much. Which is how Goff is as well.
IMO, Goff's strongest aspect is his internal clock, he's routinely shown he's adept at knowing when to deliver the ball, when to get out of the pocket, etc.
All of this is a roundabout way of saying I agree that Goff's arm talent doesn't jump off the page. In truth, nothing about Goff jumps off the page. He's just above average at all aspects, and is a smart, cerebral guy with good instincts on top of that.
If you gave him a cannon arm, 4.5 speed, and the ability to shed tackles a la Roethlisberger...Goff would be a consensus generational player, probably. However, he's just a guy with mediocre strength, mediocre speed who takes hits like a quarterback.
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the problem is that when you make the transition to nfl(from college) there is a big relative drop off in arm strength. A college arm that is 'pretty strong' can easily become a 'sorta weak' arm in the nfl. Take a guy like matt ryan. He had a 'strong arm' in college, but it wasn't really a cannon or a bazooka. It wasn't an aaron rodgers or joe flacco arm iow. And now midway through his nfl career, how would you assess his arm strength? I would use terms like adequate....he certainly would be a better qb if he had the sort of arm talent from different positions rodgers or stafford(stafford would be a lot better if he had other strengths as well...different strengths), flacco, etc have. But he doesn't.
I'm not saying that Goff's arm talent isn't good...it is. Just that it doesn't jump off the page at me.....
I understand your point and slightly agree, but it's not...entirely...true?
I THINK what you're trying to say is that a "college arm" gets you more in college but in the NFL, where the windows are tighter, it doesn't get you as much.
A 60 yard pass is a 60 yard pass, regardless of level. A 20 yard laser is a 20 yard laser, regardless of level. The arm strength doesn't change drastically over the course of a player's career, unless you're pulling a Manning.
What you're talking about is more of an arm strength + accuracy + timing thing - which is mostly exhibited on intermediate throws.
In college, a QB can get by with a (let's put this on a 1-10 scale, with 5 being average) 6 for an arm just because the timing doesn't have to be as precise. He can hang a 20 yard post a bit more because the safety isn't going to break on it as fast. He can put a little more air on a 15-and-out because the corner can't make it back to the ball.
Matt Ryan, IIRC, was never a strong armed QB - even in college. I seem to remember him drawing comparisons to an NFL version of Chad Pennington, actually. He was efficient in the short and intermediate game, and could drive the ball on certain throws, but he wasn't routinely slinging 45 yarders with relative ease. His yards per attempt in college were slightly low, only at around 7 YPA. Compare that to guys like Rodgers, Flacco, Goff, Luck, etc. who are in the 8-9 YPA range in college.
His arm strength hasn't changed, it's the windows that have changed. Luckily, Ryan is a cerebral QB with a fine-tuned internal clock, so the effect isn't felt as much. Which is how Goff is as well.
IMO, Goff's strongest aspect is his internal clock, he's routinely shown he's adept at knowing when to deliver the ball, when to get out of the pocket, etc.
All of this is a roundabout way of saying I agree that Goff's arm talent doesn't jump off the page. In truth, nothing about Goff jumps off the page. He's just above average at all aspects, and is a smart, cerebral guy with good instincts on top of that.
If you gave him a cannon arm, 4.5 speed, and the ability to shed tackles a la Roethlisberger...Goff would be a consensus generational player, probably. However, he's just a guy with mediocre strength, mediocre speed who takes hits like a quarterback.
I understand your point and slightly agree, but it's not...entirely...true?
I THINK what you're trying to say is that a "college arm" gets you more in college but in the NFL, where the windows are tighter, it doesn't get you as much.
A 60 yard pass is a 60 yard pass, regardless of level. A 20 yard laser is a 20 yard laser, regardless of level. The arm strength doesn't change drastically over the course of a player's career, unless you're pulling a Manning.
What you're talking about is more of an arm strength + accuracy + timing thing - which is mostly exhibited on intermediate throws.
In college, a QB can get by with a (let's put this on a 1-10 scale, with 5 being average) 6 for an arm just because the timing doesn't have to be as precise. He can hang a 20 yard post a bit more because the safety isn't going to break on it as fast. He can put a little more air on a 15-and-out because the corner can't make it back to the ball.
Matt Ryan, IIRC, was never a strong armed QB - even in college. I seem to remember him drawing comparisons to an NFL version of Chad Pennington, actually. He was efficient in the short and intermediate game, and could drive the ball on certain throws, but he wasn't routinely slinging 45 yarders with relative ease. His yards per attempt in college were slightly low, only at around 7 YPA. Compare that to guys like Rodgers, Flacco, Goff, Luck, etc. who are in the 8-9 YPA range in college.
His arm strength hasn't changed, it's the windows that have changed. Luckily, Ryan is a cerebral QB with a fine-tuned internal clock, so the effect isn't felt as much. Which is how Goff is as well.
IMO, Goff's strongest aspect is his internal clock, he's routinely shown he's adept at knowing when to deliver the ball, when to get out of the pocket, etc.
All of this is a roundabout way of saying I agree that Goff's arm talent doesn't jump off the page. In truth, nothing about Goff jumps off the page. He's just above average at all aspects, and is a smart, cerebral guy with good instincts on top of that.
If you gave him a cannon arm, 4.5 speed, and the ability to shed tackles a la Roethlisberger...Goff would be a consensus generational player, probably. However, he's just a guy with mediocre strength, mediocre speed who takes hits like a quarterback.
So....you agree with me that Goff and Lynch may be nothing very special......and overrated due to their position and a dearth of real quality QBs coming out?
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I understand your point and slightly agree, but it's not...entirely...true?
I THINK what you're trying to say is that a "college arm" gets you more in college but in the NFL, where the windows are tighter, it doesn't get you as much.
A 60 yard pass is a 60 yard pass, regardless of level. A 20 yard laser is a 20 yard laser, regardless of level. The arm strength doesn't change drastically over the course of a player's career, unless you're pulling a Manning.
What you're talking about is more of an arm strength + accuracy + timing thing - which is mostly exhibited on intermediate throws.
In college, a QB can get by with a (let's put this on a 1-10 scale, with 5 being average) 6 for an arm just because the timing doesn't have to be as precise. He can hang a 20 yard post a bit more because the safety isn't going to break on it as fast. He can put a little more air on a 15-and-out because the corner can't make it back to the ball.
Matt Ryan, IIRC, was never a strong armed QB - even in college. I seem to remember him drawing comparisons to an NFL version of Chad Pennington, actually. He was efficient in the short and intermediate game, and could drive the ball on certain throws, but he wasn't routinely slinging 45 yarders with relative ease. His yards per attempt in college were slightly low, only at around 7 YPA. Compare that to guys like Rodgers, Flacco, Goff, Luck, etc. who are in the 8-9 YPA range in college.
His arm strength hasn't changed, it's the windows that have changed. Luckily, Ryan is a cerebral QB with a fine-tuned internal clock, so the effect isn't felt as much. Which is how Goff is as well.
IMO, Goff's strongest aspect is his internal clock, he's routinely shown he's adept at knowing when to deliver the ball, when to get out of the pocket, etc.
All of this is a roundabout way of saying I agree that Goff's arm talent doesn't jump off the page. In truth, nothing about Goff jumps off the page. He's just above average at all aspects, and is a smart, cerebral guy with good instincts on top of that.
If you gave him a cannon arm, 4.5 speed, and the ability to shed tackles a la Roethlisberger...Goff would be a consensus generational player, probably. However, he's just a guy with mediocre strength, mediocre speed who takes hits like a quarterback.
So....you agree with me that Goff and Lynch may be nothing very special......and overrated due to their position and a dearth of real quality QBs coming out?
So....you agree with me that Goff and Lynch may be nothing very special......and overrated due to their position and a dearth of real quality QBs coming out?
No, and I'm not sure how you could make that leap. You're grasping at straws here just to prove a (very wrong) point.
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So....you agree with me that Goff and Lynch may be nothing very special......and overrated due to their position and a dearth of real quality QBs coming out?
No, and I'm not sure how you could make that leap. You're grasping at straws here just to prove a (very wrong) point.
No, and I'm not sure how you could make that leap. You're grasping at straws here just to prove a (very wrong) point.
Your point (as I understand it) is that Goff is average-to-above-average in most categories, whereas other college QBs are great at some and weak at others; the latter will fail at the NFL level for lack of timing/accuracy/pocket awareness etc, while Goff won't, even though he may look a weaker prospect in others.
Gip is understanding that you are calling Goff a mediocre prospect because he's 'only' average in all aspects...I think.
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I guess in a way I would agree with Gipper but then Tour is a guy who knows his shit and if he thinks Goff is the third best in 5 or 10 years I at least consider it. Who is a guy who knows his shit and if he thinks Goff is the third best in 5 or 10 years I at least consider it.
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Goff is average/above average in the physical aspects (like arm strength, athleticism).
He's pretty great in other categories (like accuracy, composure, release)
I think he's best in class in terms of footwork, pocket composure, accuracy, best internal clock, etc.
He's rated as a top 10 prospect on pretty much everybody's big board with good reason, it's not a matter of overvaluing him because he's a QB.
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