Browns Hire Horton For D C
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Zombo said:
Ya, I was talking about that with someone else.
That's gotta be embarrassing in negotiations.
"Yes, Ray, we will still pay out your first contract and match what the Tits will pay you,plus more."
Seems our defense got a lit up like a Christmas Tree that year down the stretch by teams like Jacksonville.
Gordon had games of around 250 yards twice ... and we lost them both.
But we had Brady and the Patriots snuffled for 59 minutes before T
abor's ST couldn't field an onside kick.
Zombo
--Horton & Tabor ... Back for More!
To carry this a little further ... the first team that Jimmy put together that he jettisoned after one year ... Chud/Norv - Horton - Tabor ... we are just inserting Hue/Hue for Chud/Norv as far as coaching leaders/schemes.
And Hue and Chud/Norv seem pretty similar schematically.
So there's that.
Zombo
Zombo said:
To carry this a little further ... the first team that Jimmy put together that he jettisoned after one year ... Chud/Norv - Horton - Tabor ... we are just inserting Hue/Hue for Chud/Norv as far as coaching leaders/schemes.
And Hue and Chud/Norv seem pretty similar schematically.
So there's that.
Zombo
Hopefully the difference is Hue
...I think this makes it pretty clear we would have been better off keeping Chud.
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Zombo said:
To carry this a little further ... the first team that Jimmy put together that he jettisoned after one year ... Chud/Norv - Horton - Tabor ... we are just inserting Hue/Hue for Chud/Norv as far as coaching leaders/schemes.
And Hue and Chud/Norv seem pretty similar schematically.
So there's that.
Zombo
Hopefully the difference is Hue
...I think this makes it pretty clear we would have been better off keeping Chud.
Hopefully the difference is Hue
...I think this makes it pretty clear we would have been better off keeping Chud.
Ya, I have digested that.
Seems like we wasted two years with two football grunts who weren't interested in analytics and now we are going back to that, but in full force with Sashi and Paul and Hue, who is all in.
Don't get me wrong, I am all in going forward, excited about this ... but the Cleveland Browns are funny.
Zombo
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It sounds insane, but I actually liked Chud for some reason. I also liked having Norv Turner. Horton had success in Arizona I guess, but hasn't done well of late. It probably all comes down to talent, and here's to hoping we have the rights guys looking for our next stars.
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I didn't understand anybody that didn't like Chud, he was a homer...I thought for once we had a local boy who was emotionally invested in Cleveland. And we shit him away. HAD to fire him, just like Shurm and just like Mangini. This coaching carousel is on my last fucking nerve. I almost want them to just fire Hue now and get it over with.
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Probably a stupid question, but I must ask it: Horton doesn't seem to me to be a must have DC, so am I right in guessing Jackson wants him because he feels they would work well together? A related question: is it down to personality or his defensive schemes (which Jackson presumably prefers) or both? It isn't because Horton has been hugely successful so why him?
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I didn't understand anybody that didn't like Chud, he was a homer...I thought for once we had a local boy who was emotionally invested in Cleveland. And we shit him away. HAD to fire him, just like Shurm and just like Mangini. This coaching carousel is on my last fucking nerve. I almost want them to just fire Hue now and get it over with.
I didn't understand anybody that didn't like Chud, he was a homer...I thought for once we had a local boy who was emotionally invested in Cleveland. And we shit him away. HAD to fire him, just like Shurm and just like Mangini. This coaching carousel is on my last fucking nerve. I almost want them to just fire Hue now and get it over with.
With you on a couple ghosts of coaches past, but Chud?
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I didn't understand anybody that didn't like Chud, he was a homer...I thought for once we had a local boy who was emotionally invested in Cleveland. And we shit him away. HAD to fire him, just like Shurm and just like Mangini. This coaching carousel is on my last fucking nerve. I almost want them to just fire Hue now and get it over with.
With you on a couple ghosts of coaches past, but Chud?
With you on a couple ghosts of coaches past, but Chud?
I didn't have a big problem with Chud, maybe in a few years I dunno....but I def thought he did NOTHING to warrant getting rid of after 1 year. I also at the time didn't have a big problem with Hortons D even though now I realize the players they got were junk. If we stick with a 3-4 i'd rather his 3-4 than Pettines. The problem the first go round with Hortons D is that it suited the DL's but our edges were not 3-4 guys, and our ILB'ers were also lacking.
I'm ok with hiring Horton if we still tear the defense up, I just suspect the interest in Horton is for the reason they don't want to do that. But overall I'd still prefer a switch to the 4-3.
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I wonder what Dick Lebeau is planning on doing. He must be planning on coaching until he dies, but I wonder if he's planning to stay with the Titans.
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If we indeed hire Ray Horton, then we need linebackers. Lots of them. Can't fix that in one year, or possibly even two. Making matters worse, we need a QB and WR this year (we WANT Josh Gordon, but obviously can't count on him). If we go offense for round one and two, it makes getting an impact linebacker all that more difficult this year.
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If we indeed hire Ray Horton, then we need linebackers. Lots of them. Can't fix that in one year, or possibly even two. Making matters worse, we need a QB and WR this year (we WANT Josh Gordon, but obviously can't count on him). If we go offense for round one and two, it makes getting an impact linebacker all that more difficult this year.
If we indeed hire Ray Horton, then we need linebackers. Lots of them.
Can I interest you in a "Mudfly draft"?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I haven't seen Mud post in awhile.
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If we indeed hire Ray Horton, then we need linebackers. Lots of them. Can't fix that in one year, or possibly even two. Making matters worse, we need a QB and WR this year (we WANT Josh Gordon, but obviously can't count on him). If we go offense for round one and two, it makes getting an impact linebacker all that more difficult this year.
If we indeed hire Ray Horton, then we need linebackers. Lots of them. Can't fix that in one year, or possibly even two. Making matters worse, we need a QB and WR this year (we WANT Josh Gordon, but obviously can't count on him). If we go offense for round one and two, it makes getting an impact linebacker all that more difficult this year.
we need LB'ers no matter who we hire.
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How about we go back to Marty Schottenheimer and pretend that nothing in between ever happened?
whats funny is i'd take ole Marty back in a second if he was still coachin.
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If we indeed hire Ray Horton, then we need linebackers. Lots of them. Can't fix that in one year, or possibly even two. Making matters worse, we need a QB and WR this year (we WANT Josh Gordon, but obviously can't count on him). If we go offense for round one and two, it makes getting an impact linebacker all that more difficult this year.
then we need linebackers. Lots of them.
Can I interest you in a "Mudfly draft"?
we need LB'ers no matter who we hire.
I think you mean a Cleve draft...
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cause excuse me, last time we were in the AFC championship was when?
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then we need linebackers. Lots of them.
Can I interest you in a "Mudfly draft"?
we need LB'ers no matter who we hire.
I think you mean a Cleve draft...
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