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What Makes A Playoff Team?

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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @westside-steve said:

    Hey on top of changing coaches every two years we change offensive schemes at the halfway mark too.

    WSS

    Yep. And maybe, just maybe, JT is getting tired of that? And Mack? And the Schwartz? And everyone?

    @gftchris said:

    Yep. And maybe, just maybe, JT is getting tired of that? And Mack? And the Schwartz? And everyone?

    No doubt since everything I've heard says that offensive line needs time to work together. I'd say that's true with any subgroup of football players. Josh McCown he played for two years in a row in the same system. Oops.

    WSS

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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    Our OL coach resigned for punching his girlfriend or something right?

    We'll be fine, I believe we have a good unit - provided we retain everyone

    @bbedward said:

    Our OL coach resigned for punching his girlfriend or something right?

    We'll be fine, I believe we have a good unit - provided we retain everyone

    I don't think we'll retain everyone though. Mack is in my mind 99% certain to leave. Schwartz is then 50/50, but if he sees Mack leave and Thomas traded, I can well imagine he would want out.

    I think, though, we retain Thomas and Schwartz, and start Erving at C next year.

  • Yes... forget Mack and hope we resign Schwartz, but remember he's a West Coast guy. I'm dropping my odds to 1 in 4. But again, I cannot see Joe being traded... especially if we invest a 1st round pick in a QB.

    We'll be drafting an O-lineman somewhere this year. Depth at OT looks pretty damn good. OG looks thinner, but there are a couple of thumpers early... same for Centers. And there's always a couple sleepers.

    Impending shift to a Power scheme may preclude Cam from center. Our starting three interior OL could be Paztor, Bito and Greco. Which would play center is a question. Greco would seem to have the experience edge, but I think Bito fits there best. That leaves Cam to sink or swim at RT.

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  • cam might not be too bad at center in a power scheme. He'll get interior help on pass protection and on run plays he'll be able to get to the 2nd level against most defensive schemes.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • C Clevfan4life

    @tour2ma said:

    So... you're not a metrics guy...

    not in the slightest. The metrics guys passed on Vontaze. So yeah.

    @clevfan4life said:

    not in the slightest. The metrics guys passed on Vontaze. So yeah.

    Did they? I don't know.....unless I am misinterpreting what you mean by metrics.

    The reason Burfict was passed on was character. He was considered....probably rightly so, a bad apple.

  • B BrownPile

    So.. what?

    All that says to me is that our talent evaluation sucks.

    They could have had all 40 top picks and still screwed it up by picking the wrong guys.

    Doesn't change the fact that an O line that can protect this precious QB pick is paramount.

    Without it you don't win games.

    Without it, you're the Browns.

    @brownpile said:

    So.. what?

    All that says to me is that our talent evaluation sucks.

    They could have had all 40 top picks and still screwed it up by picking the wrong guys.

    Weeden/Richardson?

    (but note...from that 2012 draft later Browns got The Schwartz/Travis Benjamin, John Hughe, Billy Winn.....some decent picks.

    Doesn't change the fact that an O line that can protect this precious QB pick is paramount.

    Without it you don't win games.

    Without it, you're the Browns.

    With some QBs....no amount of protection matters. They just suck. Did I say Brandon Weeden and Brady Quinn?

  • C Clevfan4life

    cam might not be too bad at center in a power scheme. He'll get interior help on pass protection and on run plays he'll be able to get to the 2nd level against most defensive schemes.

    @clevfan4life said:

    cam might not be too bad at center in a power scheme. He'll get interior help on pass protection and on run plays he'll be able to get to the 2nd level against most defensive schemes.

    True, but sooner or later teams will just put someone on his nose... just no road-grader there.

    Does free Bito to play RT though...

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @clevfan4life said:

    cam might not be too bad at center in a power scheme. He'll get interior help on pass protection and on run plays he'll be able to get to the 2nd level against most defensive schemes.

    True, but sooner or later teams will just put someone on his nose... just no road-grader there.

    Does free Bito to play RT though...

    @tour2ma said:

    True, but sooner or later teams will just put someone on his nose... just no road-grader there.

    Does free Bito to play RT though...

    even so he's still gonna have help from at least one of the guards. When he's at guard and they line up two guys on that side and blitz someone, than he's on an island...which is when he gets roasted.

  • and by roasted I mean rocked out of his shoes.

  • gets up asking if anyone caught that plate number.

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