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  • C Clevfan4life

    O and D line, anyone still disagree?

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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @clevfan4life said:

    O and D line, anyone still disagree?

    Vince Lombardi said: "Its all about blocking and tackling". Who would question him?

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      O and D line, anyone still disagree?

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      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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      @clevfan4life said:

      O and D line, anyone still disagree?

      Not a matter of agreeing or not, it's a matter of what metrics are out there...

      What are your OL and DL metrics?

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        http://footballscoop.com/news/there-have-been-68-nfl-coaching-changes-in-the-last-decade/

        There is a good statistic boys

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          Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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          Not exactly predictive though... is it?

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            Not exactly predictive though... is it?

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            @tour2ma said:

            Not exactly predictive though... is it?

            It does make a point.

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              @clevfan4life said:

              O and D line, anyone still disagree?

              Not a matter of agreeing or not, it's a matter of what metrics are out there...

              What are your OL and DL metrics?

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              C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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              @tour2ma said:

              Not a matter of agreeing or not, it's a matter of what metrics are out there...

              What are your OL and DL metrics?

              best talent available either O or D line. If that's Bosa it's Bosa, Tunsil etc, etc. Actually I should also include the LB'ers in the defensive trenches. If there was a LB'er rated higher than Bosa I'd be all for it. We just need to draft big strong athletic kids that can throw people around. Mean fuckers too.

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                http://footballscoop.com/news/there-have-been-68-nfl-coaching-changes-in-the-last-decade/

                There is a good statistic boys

                WSS

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                The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                @westside-steve said:

                http://footballscoop.com/news/there-have-been-68-nfl-coaching-changes-in-the-last-decade/

                There is a good statistic boys

                WSS

                Well, it is pretty simple: teams that lose a lot fire their coaches. Those that make the playoffs usually do not.

                Does anyone foresee any of this years playoff coaches being fired? Likely not.

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                  @westside-steve said:

                  http://footballscoop.com/news/there-have-been-68-nfl-coaching-changes-in-the-last-decade/

                  There is a good statistic boys

                  WSS

                  Well, it is pretty simple: teams that lose a lot fire their coaches. Those that make the playoffs usually do not.

                  Does anyone foresee any of this years playoff coaches being fired? Likely not.

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                  @the-gipper said:

                  Well, it is pretty simple: teams that lose a lot fire their coaches. Those that make the playoffs usually do not.

                  Does anyone foresee any of this years playoff coaches being fired? Likely not.

                  And 2 and out usually puts you behind the eight ball since no matter who's on the team and no matter what they can do the new regime wants their own guys. And it usually takes a while to replace everybody with your own guy. And your own guys need time to develop.. Then you get fired again.

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                    @tour2ma said:

                    Not a matter of agreeing or not, it's a matter of what metrics are out there...

                    What are your OL and DL metrics?

                    best talent available either O or D line. If that's Bosa it's Bosa, Tunsil etc, etc. Actually I should also include the LB'ers in the defensive trenches. If there was a LB'er rated higher than Bosa I'd be all for it. We just need to draft big strong athletic kids that can throw people around. Mean fuckers too.

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                    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                    @clevfan4life said:

                    best talent available either O or D line. If that's Bosa it's Bosa, Tunsil etc, etc. Actually I should also include the LB'ers in the defensive trenches. If there was a LB'er rated higher than Bosa I'd be all for it. We just need to draft big strong athletic kids that can throw people around. Mean fuckers too.

                    So... you're not a metrics guy...

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                      @clevfan4life said:

                      best talent available either O or D line. If that's Bosa it's Bosa, Tunsil etc, etc. Actually I should also include the LB'ers in the defensive trenches. If there was a LB'er rated higher than Bosa I'd be all for it. We just need to draft big strong athletic kids that can throw people around. Mean fuckers too.

                      So... you're not a metrics guy...

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                      C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                      @tour2ma said:

                      So... you're not a metrics guy...

                      not in the slightest. The metrics guys passed on Vontaze. So yeah.

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                        An elite QB (Brady, Rodgers & Peyton 7 years ago) and enough junk to keep it moving forward, a franchise QB (Ben, Eli, Brees, Wilson, etc.) with very good players around them or just a ton of talent on both sides of the ball to disguise the fact you've got Trent Dilfer at the helm.

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                          Not adding anything just wanted to say awesome thread. This is why I'm here great job.

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                            I honestly don't understand anyone who thinks that line play is irrelevant.

                            The whole idea of "just get a QB" and it makes no difference who is blocking just mystifies me.

                            No offense is consistently good without an O line. End of story.

                            Defense wins football games. Always did. Unless there are significant rule changes, it always will.

                            And that starts with D line. In a 3-4, you better have stud LBs too.

                            Build from the lines up and you have a dynasty.

                            Build defense first and you get to playoffs sooner.

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                              I honestly don't understand anyone who thinks that line play is irrelevant.

                              The whole idea of "just get a QB" and it makes no difference who is blocking just mystifies me.

                              No offense is consistently good without an O line. End of story.

                              Defense wins football games. Always did. Unless there are significant rule changes, it always will.

                              And that starts with D line. In a 3-4, you better have stud LBs too.

                              Build from the lines up and you have a dynasty.

                              Build defense first and you get to playoffs sooner.

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                              Flyin JF Flyin J wrote on last edited by Flyin J
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                              @brownpile said:

                              I honestly don't understand anyone who thinks that line play is irrelevant.

                              The whole idea of "just get a QB" and it makes no difference who is blocking just mystifies me.

                              No offense is consistently good without an O line. End of story.

                              Defense wins football games. Always did. Unless there are significant rule changes, it always will.

                              And that starts with D line. In a 3-4, you better have stud LBs too.

                              Build from the lines up and you have a dynasty.

                              Build defense first and you get to playoffs sooner.

                              Yeah thats worked out well. We have 5 top 40 picks on the o line.
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                                So.. what?

                                All that says to me is that our talent evaluation sucks.

                                They could have had all 40 top picks and still screwed it up by picking the wrong guys.

                                Doesn't change the fact that an O line that can protect this precious QB pick is paramount.

                                Without it you don't win games.

                                Without it, you're the Browns.

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                                  @brownpile said:

                                  I honestly don't understand anyone who thinks that line play is irrelevant.

                                  The whole idea of "just get a QB" and it makes no difference who is blocking just mystifies me.

                                  No offense is consistently good without an O line. End of story.

                                  Defense wins football games. Always did. Unless there are significant rule changes, it always will.

                                  And that starts with D line. In a 3-4, you better have stud LBs too.

                                  Build from the lines up and you have a dynasty.

                                  Build defense first and you get to playoffs sooner.

                                  Yeah thats worked out well. We have 5 top 40 picks on the o line.
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                                  gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                  @flyin-j said:

                                  Yeah thats worked out well. We have 5 top 40 picks on the o line.

                                  And each is objectively pretty good, ranking from Hall of Famer, multiple pro-bowler, pro-bowl snub, top tier at position, to John Greco, who's only 'pretty good'

                                  The inability to make them work together is not the fault of the talent evaluators.

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                                    @flyin-j said:

                                    Yeah thats worked out well. We have 5 top 40 picks on the o line.

                                    And each is objectively pretty good, ranking from Hall of Famer, multiple pro-bowler, pro-bowl snub, top tier at position, to John Greco, who's only 'pretty good'

                                    The inability to make them work together is not the fault of the talent evaluators.

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                                    @gftchris said:

                                    And each is objectively pretty good, ranking from Hall of Famer, multiple pro-bowler, pro-bowl snub, top tier at position, to John Greco, who's only 'pretty good'

                                    The inability to make them work together is not the fault of the talent evaluators.

                                    Hey on top of changing coaches every two years we change offensive schemes at the halfway mark too.

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                                      @gftchris said:

                                      And each is objectively pretty good, ranking from Hall of Famer, multiple pro-bowler, pro-bowl snub, top tier at position, to John Greco, who's only 'pretty good'

                                      The inability to make them work together is not the fault of the talent evaluators.

                                      Hey on top of changing coaches every two years we change offensive schemes at the halfway mark too.

                                      WSS

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                                      gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                      @westside-steve said:

                                      Hey on top of changing coaches every two years we change offensive schemes at the halfway mark too.

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                                      Yep. And maybe, just maybe, JT is getting tired of that? And Mack? And the Schwartz? And everyone?

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                                        bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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                                        Our OL coach resigned for punching his girlfriend or something right?

                                        We'll be fine, I believe we have a good unit - provided we retain everyone

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                                          @westside-steve said:

                                          Hey on top of changing coaches every two years we change offensive schemes at the halfway mark too.

                                          WSS

                                          Yep. And maybe, just maybe, JT is getting tired of that? And Mack? And the Schwartz? And everyone?

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                                          @gftchris said:

                                          Yep. And maybe, just maybe, JT is getting tired of that? And Mack? And the Schwartz? And everyone?

                                          No doubt since everything I've heard says that offensive line needs time to work together. I'd say that's true with any subgroup of football players. Josh McCown he played for two years in a row in the same system. Oops.

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