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Stafford to Lions "a done deal"?

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    Aloysius said:

    If the Lions take Stafford, I see the picks before us going as follows:
    • 1. Detroit -
    Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia

    2. St. Louis - Jason Smith, LT, Baylor

    3. KC - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest

    4. Seattle - Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia

    That'd leave us with a very interesting choice between Orakpo and Crabtree. Who we choose may depend on whether Mangini & Kokinis are going to trade Braylon Edwards.

    Even if CLE takes Crabtree, it is no guarantee they ship Edwards out. I think if they took Crabtree they'd rather him spend his first year not having to be the #1 target. Braylon may not be a UFA come next year depending on what happens with the collective bargining agreement, CLE will always have the option to franchise (or transition tag him) after the season, then trade him for picks in next years draft, and it's always possible with success next season he wants to stay and CLE would want him to stay.

    Still not sold KC takes Curry, since they do need a NT for that 3-4, and Pioli is going to build from the inside out.

    Masters said:

    Even if CLE takes Crabtree, it is no guarantee they ship Edwards out. I think if they took Crabtree they'd rather him spend his first year not having to be the #1 target. Braylon may not be a UFA come next year depending on what happens with the collective bargining agreement, CLE will always have the option to franchise (or transition tag him) after the season, then trade him for picks in next years draft, and it's always possible with success next season he wants to stay and CLE would want him to stay.

    Still not sold KC takes Curry, since they do need a NT for that 3-4, and Pioli is going to build from the inside out.

    I think will go into the season with BE and depending on how we look the first 5 games and weather or not we get him to sign a long term contract we could trade him before the week 6 trade deadline to a team in contention with a need of a receiver because of injury or poor performance. This would be the best way to get somebody to overpay for Edwards, much like what happened with Roy Williams last year.

    1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
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    @ballpeen said:

    Why draft anybody.....you might do better next year..

    I'm fairly certain that's not what we're advocating here. You get that.

    So you're saying if you're DET, and you have guys like Bradford and McCoy rated significantly higher than Stafford, and Stafford rated slightly higher than Jason Smith, who you rate much higher than any LT prospect next draft, you still select Stafford?

    mz. said:

    I'm fairly certain that's not what we're advocating here. You get that.

    So you're saying if you're DET, and you have guys like Bradford and McCoy rated significantly higher than Stafford, and Stafford rated slightly higher than Jason Smith, who you rate much higher than any LT prospect next draft, you still select Stafford?

    Thank you.

    You follow exactly where I am going with it.

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    Masters said:

    Even if CLE takes Crabtree, it is no guarantee they ship Edwards out. I think if they took Crabtree they'd rather him spend his first year not having to be the #1 target. Braylon may not be a UFA come next year depending on what happens with the collective bargining agreement, CLE will always have the option to franchise (or transition tag him) after the season, then trade him for picks in next years draft, and it's always possible with success next season he wants to stay and CLE would want him to stay.

    Still not sold KC takes Curry, since they do need a NT for that 3-4, and Pioli is going to build from the inside out.

    I think will go into the season with BE and depending on how we look the first 5 games and weather or not we get him to sign a long term contract we could trade him before the week 6 trade deadline to a team in contention with a need of a receiver because of injury or poor performance. This would be the best way to get somebody to overpay for Edwards, much like what happened with Roy Williams last year.

    nmills said:

    I think will go into the season with BE and depending on how we look the first 5 games and weather or not we get him to sign a long term contract we could trade him before the week 6 trade deadline to a team in contention with a need of a receiver because of injury or poor performance. This would be the best way to get somebody to overpay for Edwards, much like what happened with Roy Williams last year.

    That is one ideal scenario. That of course hinges on how BE performs and a tea being in that position.

    The other ideal scenario I see is that BE returns to the 07 form, which is what his perceived ability is/was, and you can ship him in next offseason for an inflated value.

  • @shepwrite said:

    I stand by it: You only pass on a franchise quarterback if you already have one.

    If you don't have a big time passer in today's NFL, you're just another team looking for a big time passer.

    Unless you don't think Stafford is a franchise QB.

  • @shepwrite said:

    I stand by it: You only pass on a franchise quarterback if you already have one.

    If you don't have a big time passer in today's NFL, you're just another team looking for a big time passer.

    But he better be a franchise QB and you better be really sure yu believe he is.

    In the case of DET, right now they are less than just another team in today's NFL. They did go winless after all. They have a lot of needs and require a lot of work to undo what Millen did to them.

    My perspective is if I am DET in this draft. Not any NFL team in a vaccume situation.

  • dont no if theres any truth to this but its interesting http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149&f=1767&t=4165046

    1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
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    dont no if theres any truth to this but its interesting http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149&f=1767&t=4165046

    nmills said:

    dont no if theres any truth to this but its interesting http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149&f=1767&t=4165046

    my god we can only hope that is the exact terms of the possible trade. #5 #20 #50 no DA sign ol gus as a back up. that sounds to good to be true, but that is what keeps us staying up late at night before we have to go to work in the morning.

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    nmills said:

    dont no if theres any truth to this but its interesting http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149&f=1767&t=4165046

    my god we can only hope that is the exact terms of the possible trade. #5 #20 #50 no DA sign ol gus as a back up. that sounds to good to be true, but that is what keeps us staying up late at night before we have to go to work in the morning.

    @cambridgeho said:

    my god we can only hope that is the exact terms of the possible trade. #5 #20 #50 no DA sign ol gus as a back up. that sounds to good to be true, but that is what keeps us staying up late at night before we have to go to work in the morning.

    I'd jump all over that deal! The difference between #36 and #20 would be well worth DA!!! Wow....That would be worth it.

    With #20 you may be talking Rey,Cushing, Wells, Mack, Maclin, Bulter.......A significant difference between that and what is available at #36.

    Plus Detroit has their QB, a nice big WR target for him and a new left OT.

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote! - "Ben Franklin"

  • this dude had a good take.........."Personally I'd prefer their third for DA and a swap between the 50th and the 33rd."

    that would give us a third rounder and the 33 and 36th in the draft....HUGE!

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    @ballpeen said:

    Why draft anybody.....you might do better next year..

    I'm fairly certain that's not what we're advocating here. You get that.

    So you're saying if you're DET, and you have guys like Bradford and McCoy rated significantly higher than Stafford, and Stafford rated slightly higher than Jason Smith, who you rate much higher than any LT prospect next draft, you still select Stafford?

    mz. said:

    I'm fairly certain that's not what we're advocating here. You get that.

    So you're saying if you're DET, and you have guys like Bradford and McCoy rated significantly higher than Stafford, and Stafford rated slightly higher than Jason Smith, who you rate much higher than any LT prospect next draft, you still select Stafford?

    Yes.....for the simple reason you get let the variable of next years draft impact what you do this draft.

    I know some may call it extreme thinking, but who knows what happens next year. maybe you win 6 games and draft 8th next year. Maybe Bradford suffers a spinal injury...God forbid...

    You can look to next year to get a feel for a overall draft class....should be a good year for guards as an example.....but you can't start pinpointing individual guards thinking he is the guy you are going to draft.

    The consensus thinking is you don't pass a top qb when you have the chance.

    If they have Stafford rated high, and he fills the need, you take him. You can't take the chance you are going to get Bradford next year unless you plan on getting the 1st pick next year.

    Anyway...we are now regurgitating the same stuff over and over, so I will leave it as we simply disagree.

    Life on a message board.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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    mz. said:

    I'm fairly certain that's not what we're advocating here. You get that.

    So you're saying if you're DET, and you have guys like Bradford and McCoy rated significantly higher than Stafford, and Stafford rated slightly higher than Jason Smith, who you rate much higher than any LT prospect next draft, you still select Stafford?

    Yes.....for the simple reason you get let the variable of next years draft impact what you do this draft.

    I know some may call it extreme thinking, but who knows what happens next year. maybe you win 6 games and draft 8th next year. Maybe Bradford suffers a spinal injury...God forbid...

    You can look to next year to get a feel for a overall draft class....should be a good year for guards as an example.....but you can't start pinpointing individual guards thinking he is the guy you are going to draft.

    The consensus thinking is you don't pass a top qb when you have the chance.

    If they have Stafford rated high, and he fills the need, you take him. You can't take the chance you are going to get Bradford next year unless you plan on getting the 1st pick next year.

    Anyway...we are now regurgitating the same stuff over and over, so I will leave it as we simply disagree.

    Life on a message board.

    @ballpeen said:

    The consensus thinking is you don't pass a top qb when you have the chance.

    I'm beginning to wonder if this thinking is changing as we see more and more failed 1st round QB's.

    I take a lot of consideration who is in charge in Detroit now. Not just the HC but the OC and DC. To me this says they will take the player that is more of a sure thing. The Left OT from Baylor.

    I think they'd prefer to trade down but it's hard to believe it'll happen.

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote! - "Ben Franklin"

  • Too bad for Stafford as his dreams of NFL stardom are now over.

    He can use the $60,000,000.00 to wipe those tears though.

  • LumberghL Lumbergh

    Too bad for Stafford as his dreams of NFL stardom are now over.

    He can use the $60,000,000.00 to wipe those tears though.

    @lumbergh said:

    Too bad for Stafford as his dreams of NFL stardom are now over.

    He can use the $60,000,000.00 to wipe those tears though.

    DA can recollect on the days when held such hope and stardom. 😆

    It dosn't suprise me not one NFL team is seriously considering making a high trade offer for DA. Maybe we can get a new washing machine for him.

    Head or Gut?
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    @solon16 said:

    it's all smoke...I think they take Jason smith

    I don't see this as a smokescreen. There doesn't appear to be anyone anxious to trade for the #1 pick, so what would their "smokescreen" motivation be?

    mz. said:

    I don't see this as a smokescreen. There doesn't appear to be anyone anxious to trade for the #1 pick, so what would their "smokescreen" motivation be?

    I don't see them taking a Qb... media hype then if not smoke screen. Jason Smith is the very best pick....if they take Stafford with zero protection he'll end up Tim Couch/ David Carr sacked so many times they became a deer in head lights. Tp take a QB without a Line is IDIOTIC!

  • Is it idiotic? I don't know.

    Im going to play the reverse role here, Big Gay Ben has had no line for years, and has two Superbowl rings. Maybe the rest of the NFL neeeds to catch on?

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    Is it idiotic? I don't know.

    Im going to play the reverse role here, Big Gay Ben has had no line for years, and has two Superbowl rings. Maybe the rest of the NFL neeeds to catch on?

    @mario said:

    Is it idiotic? I don't know.

    Im going to play the reverse role here, Big Gay Ben has had no line for years, and has two Superbowl rings. Maybe the rest of the NFL neeeds to catch on?

    Ben is the exception, not the rule. A good amount of his sacks also come when he is moving in the pocket and buying time.

  • M mario

    Is it idiotic? I don't know.

    Im going to play the reverse role here, Big Gay Ben has had no line for years, and has two Superbowl rings. Maybe the rest of the NFL neeeds to catch on?

    @mario said:

    Is it idiotic? I don't know.

    Im going to play the reverse role here, Big Gay Ben has had no line for years, and has two Superbowl rings. Maybe the rest of the NFL neeeds to catch on?

    He had a great line...hasn't had a great one the last 2 years...still good. Point being when he came into league he didn't get freakin mauled like couch and carr.

  • There is a rumor on another board that would make WPB horny.

    Here's a cut and paste

    I was told today by a league source that the Lions will not take Matt Stafford with the #1 overall pick. Instead, the Lions will go with a veteran QB. More on that later.

    The Lions are reportedly trying like crazy to trade the #1 overall pick, but so far there have been no takers. If they can't trade the pick, it's looking like Jason Smith from Baylor will be the first pick in the draft.

    As for the veteran QB, I'm being told that the Lions may have a deal in place with the Cleveland Browns for Derek Anderson (whom they prefer over Brady Quinn). The trade will involved the 20th pick in the draft, but don't think the worst. The trade wouldn't be Derek for the 20th pick, it would be Derek and the Browns 1st second round pick (pick #36) in exchange for the 20th pick. So basically, the Browns would just be using Derek Anderson to move up 16 spots in the draft.

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  • M mario

    Is it idiotic? I don't know.

    Im going to play the reverse role here, Big Gay Ben has had no line for years, and has two Superbowl rings. Maybe the rest of the NFL neeeds to catch on?

    @mario said:

    Is it idiotic? I don't know.

    Im going to play the reverse role here, Big Gay Ben has had no line for years, and has two Superbowl rings. Maybe the rest of the NFL neeeds to catch on?

    He had a great runblocking line which is the Steelers bread and butter.

    Grant it his line isn't the best in passblocking but a lot of that is due to how long Ben holds the ball and his slower windup.

    3 seasons until our new head coach, let's hope they get it right this time.
  • LumberghL Lumbergh

    There is a rumor on another board that would make WPB horny.

    Here's a cut and paste

    I was told today by a league source that the Lions will not take Matt Stafford with the #1 overall pick. Instead, the Lions will go with a veteran QB. More on that later.

    The Lions are reportedly trying like crazy to trade the #1 overall pick, but so far there have been no takers. If they can't trade the pick, it's looking like Jason Smith from Baylor will be the first pick in the draft.

    As for the veteran QB, I'm being told that the Lions may have a deal in place with the Cleveland Browns for Derek Anderson (whom they prefer over Brady Quinn). The trade will involved the 20th pick in the draft, but don't think the worst. The trade wouldn't be Derek for the 20th pick, it would be Derek and the Browns 1st second round pick (pick #36) in exchange for the 20th pick. So basically, the Browns would just be using Derek Anderson to move up 16 spots in the draft.

    @lumbergh said:

    There is a rumor on another board that would make WPB horny.

    Here's a cut and paste

    I was told today by a league source that the Lions will not take Matt Stafford with the #1 overall pick. Instead, the Lions will go with a veteran QB. More on that later.

    The Lions are reportedly trying like crazy to trade the #1 overall pick, but so far there have been no takers. If they can't trade the pick, it's looking like Jason Smith from Baylor will be the first pick in the draft.

    As for the veteran QB, I'm being told that the Lions may have a deal in place with the Cleveland Browns for Derek Anderson (whom they prefer over Brady Quinn). The trade will involved the 20th pick in the draft, but don't think the worst. The trade wouldn't be Derek for the 20th pick, it would be Derek and the Browns 1st second round pick (pick #36) in exchange for the 20th pick. So basically, the Browns would just be using Derek Anderson to move up 16 spots in the draft.

    Wow, way to cut and pastw that from the Orange and Brown report message board, which someone else put the link to yesterday morning, in this thread.

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