Which Qb Goes Where?
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I think it's interesting that Todd McShay has Lynch rated higher than Goff. I tend to like McShay better than the other pundits, but I'm not sure I agree with him here. Obviously he's the expert and I haven't "broken down film" or anything, but I don't necessarily see it. Perhaps I could see Lynch as possibly having the higher ceiling, but I see him taking much longer to develop than Goff. Lynch has the goods, don't get me wrong, but his size and speed won't be all that impressive in the NFL. Everybody is fast, and everybody is big. Maybe not 6'7, LOL...but still.
I like what I hear about Goff being a "film room junkie", and a coach's dream (heard this from a few radio shows, can't verify with link).
I think it's interesting that Todd McShay has Lynch rated higher than Goff.
Don't agree with it, but I can understand it if you don't give added weight to the mental aspects of the game. To me that's the biggest hurdle there is and so far Goff is the only one I see who has already cleared that bar.
Fractured his throwing wrist, had surgery in October. Missed the rest of the season until a couple weeks ago played the FCS championship game against Jacksonville State.
Played like trash against Jacksonville State. 1 TD, 2 interceptions, 55% completion. Though he did have a couple of rushing touchdowns... (One interception was an incredible play by the DB, but shows his deep accuracy needs some consistency)
Personally I don't understand the hype from what I've seen so far, but we'll see. I see him staring down guys, I don't really see him throwing guys open (or throwing with anticipation)
Just spent my first session with Wentz watched his early stuff vs. Montana and NIU. After getting over my usual running-QB-gag-reflex I saw some good, but more areas in need of development than either Goff or Lynch.
First need... touch... doesn't have the ability to drop balls into windows with a man yards underneath... ends up throwing too flat. Otherwise the arm talent is there. Looked to me like the throwing mechanics are there. TOR in both directions is good.
Second need... vision... threw a bad pick to a single-high FS he never saw closing... never looked for... never looked off.
Feet are good and pocket presence is not terrible, but he does drop his eyes to the rush and first instinct tends to be to bolt rather than slide in pocket. This showed vs. NIU as Montana never really generated pressure.
Reads-wise... looks for open receivers rather than reads defenses... and still throws into double coverage.
Still more to watch, but so far he looks very much like a multi-year project... at best...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think it's interesting that Todd McShay has Lynch rated higher than Goff.
Don't agree with it, but I can understand it if you don't give added weight to the mental aspects of the game. To me that's the biggest hurdle there is and so far Goff is the only one I see who has already cleared that bar.
Fractured his throwing wrist, had surgery in October. Missed the rest of the season until a couple weeks ago played the FCS championship game against Jacksonville State.
Played like trash against Jacksonville State. 1 TD, 2 interceptions, 55% completion. Though he did have a couple of rushing touchdowns... (One interception was an incredible play by the DB, but shows his deep accuracy needs some consistency)
Personally I don't understand the hype from what I've seen so far, but we'll see. I see him staring down guys, I don't really see him throwing guys open (or throwing with anticipation)
Just spent my first session with Wentz watched his early stuff vs. Montana and NIU. After getting over my usual running-QB-gag-reflex I saw some good, but more areas in need of development than either Goff or Lynch.
First need... touch... doesn't have the ability to drop balls into windows with a man yards underneath... ends up throwing too flat. Otherwise the arm talent is there. Looked to me like the throwing mechanics are there. TOR in both directions is good.
Second need... vision... threw a bad pick to a single-high FS he never saw closing... never looked for... never looked off.
Feet are good and pocket presence is not terrible, but he does drop his eyes to the rush and first instinct tends to be to bolt rather than slide in pocket. This showed vs. NIU as Montana never really generated pressure.
Reads-wise... looks for open receivers rather than reads defenses... and still throws into double coverage.
Still more to watch, but so far he looks very much like a multi-year project... at best...
Don't agree with it, but I can understand it if you don't give added weight to the mental aspects of the game. To me that's the biggest hurdle there is and so far Goff is the only one I see who has already cleared that bar.
Just spent my first session with Wentz watched his early stuff vs. Montana and NIU. After getting over my usual running-QB-gag-reflex I saw some good, but more areas in need of development than either Goff or Lynch.
First need... touch... doesn't have the ability to drop balls into windows with a man yards underneath... ends up throwing too flat. Otherwise the arm talent is there. Looked to me like the throwing mechanics are there. TOR in both directions is good.
Second need... vision... threw a bad pick to a single-high FS he never saw closing... never looked for... never looked off.
Feet are good and pocket presence is not terrible, but he does drop his eyes to the rush and first instinct tends to be to bolt rather than slide in pocket. This showed vs. NIU as Montana never really generated pressure.
Reads-wise... looks for open receivers rather than reads defenses... and still throws into double coverage.
Still more to watch, but so far he looks very much like a multi-year project... at best...
If you're talking about the pick in the NIU game, I think that was just a bad throw. He short armed it a bit and under threw the bust route... if he had put a little more on it, it would have been six.
But that also could point back to touch.
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I think it's interesting that Todd McShay has Lynch rated higher than Goff.
Don't agree with it, but I can understand it if you don't give added weight to the mental aspects of the game. To me that's the biggest hurdle there is and so far Goff is the only one I see who has already cleared that bar.
Fractured his throwing wrist, had surgery in October. Missed the rest of the season until a couple weeks ago played the FCS championship game against Jacksonville State.
Played like trash against Jacksonville State. 1 TD, 2 interceptions, 55% completion. Though he did have a couple of rushing touchdowns... (One interception was an incredible play by the DB, but shows his deep accuracy needs some consistency)
Personally I don't understand the hype from what I've seen so far, but we'll see. I see him staring down guys, I don't really see him throwing guys open (or throwing with anticipation)
Just spent my first session with Wentz watched his early stuff vs. Montana and NIU. After getting over my usual running-QB-gag-reflex I saw some good, but more areas in need of development than either Goff or Lynch.
First need... touch... doesn't have the ability to drop balls into windows with a man yards underneath... ends up throwing too flat. Otherwise the arm talent is there. Looked to me like the throwing mechanics are there. TOR in both directions is good.
Second need... vision... threw a bad pick to a single-high FS he never saw closing... never looked for... never looked off.
Feet are good and pocket presence is not terrible, but he does drop his eyes to the rush and first instinct tends to be to bolt rather than slide in pocket. This showed vs. NIU as Montana never really generated pressure.
Reads-wise... looks for open receivers rather than reads defenses... and still throws into double coverage.
Still more to watch, but so far he looks very much like a multi-year project... at best...
Don't agree with it, but I can understand it if you don't give added weight to the mental aspects of the game. To me that's the biggest hurdle there is and so far Goff is the only one I see who has already cleared that bar.
Just spent my first session with Wentz watched his early stuff vs. Montana and NIU. After getting over my usual running-QB-gag-reflex I saw some good, but more areas in need of development than either Goff or Lynch.
First need... touch... doesn't have the ability to drop balls into windows with a man yards underneath... ends up throwing too flat. Otherwise the arm talent is there. Looked to me like the throwing mechanics are there. TOR in both directions is good.
Second need... vision... threw a bad pick to a single-high FS he never saw closing... never looked for... never looked off.
Feet are good and pocket presence is not terrible, but he does drop his eyes to the rush and first instinct tends to be to bolt rather than slide in pocket. This showed vs. NIU as Montana never really generated pressure.
Reads-wise... looks for open receivers rather than reads defenses... and still throws into double coverage.
Still more to watch, but so far he looks very much like a multi-year project... at best...
https://twitter.com/TDGawd/status/685571443006947328
Also, I am watching Goff a lot. His arm on the 20+ stuff, especially to the sidelines, is not impressive. At all.
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Either, Goff, Lynch, or Wentz would be an upgrade. The shortest one is 6'4", Wentz might be the best pro QB.
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Sports pundits gain their audiences through attention. Often going against the grain is an attention-getting ploy.
Not only that but the quarterback position is so often a boom or bust pic.
If you come out against every quarterback taken in the first round odds are you will be right on some level and then you can brag about it forever.
WSS
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Don't agree with it, but I can understand it if you don't give added weight to the mental aspects of the game. To me that's the biggest hurdle there is and so far Goff is the only one I see who has already cleared that bar.
Just spent my first session with Wentz watched his early stuff vs. Montana and NIU. After getting over my usual running-QB-gag-reflex I saw some good, but more areas in need of development than either Goff or Lynch.
First need... touch... doesn't have the ability to drop balls into windows with a man yards underneath... ends up throwing too flat. Otherwise the arm talent is there. Looked to me like the throwing mechanics are there. TOR in both directions is good.
Second need... vision... threw a bad pick to a single-high FS he never saw closing... never looked for... never looked off.
Feet are good and pocket presence is not terrible, but he does drop his eyes to the rush and first instinct tends to be to bolt rather than slide in pocket. This showed vs. NIU as Montana never really generated pressure.
Reads-wise... looks for open receivers rather than reads defenses... and still throws into double coverage.
Still more to watch, but so far he looks very much like a multi-year project... at best...
https://twitter.com/TDGawd/status/685571443006947328
Also, I am watching Goff a lot. His arm on the 20+ stuff, especially to the sidelines, is not impressive. At all.
https://twitter.com/TDGawd/status/685571443006947328
Also, I am watching Goff a lot. His arm on the 20+ stuff, especially to the sidelines, is not impressive. At all.
First on Goff... Yes, his deep ball is not great... and certainly does not "wow". Actually surprised me that his completion percentages are as high as they charted to be. Also surprised me that his deep percentages were higher than Lynch's.
On the tweeted gif... I remember that play, but it's only one, anecdotal success... and one, I'd add, that was thrown about as flat as that deep of a ball can be thrown. But point taken... I should have said "doesn't have the ability to consistently drop balls into windows with a man yards underneath."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
https://twitter.com/TDGawd/status/685571443006947328
Also, I am watching Goff a lot. His arm on the 20+ stuff, especially to the sidelines, is not impressive. At all.
First on Goff... Yes, his deep ball is not great... and certainly does not "wow". Actually surprised me that his completion percentages are as high as they charted to be. Also surprised me that his deep percentages were higher than Lynch's.
On the tweeted gif... I remember that play, but it's only one, anecdotal success... and one, I'd add, that was thrown about as flat as that deep of a ball can be thrown. But point taken... I should have said "doesn't have the ability to consistently drop balls into windows with a man yards underneath."
First on Goff... Yes, his deep ball is not great... and certainly does not "wow". Actually surprised me that his completion percentages are as high as they charted to be. Also surprised me that his deep percentages were higher than Lynch's.
On the tweeted gif... I remember that play, but it's only one, anecdotal success... and one, I'd add, that was thrown about as flat as that deep of a ball can be thrown. But point taken... I should have said "doesn't have the ability to consistently drop balls into windows with a man yards underneath."
I think Goff's deep numbers look the way they do because "deep" passing is considered 20+, and the times his arm really underwhelms is the 35-plus-yarders.
As for Wentz, you're probably right -- I was just giving you shit
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First on Goff... Yes, his deep ball is not great... and certainly does not "wow". Actually surprised me that his completion percentages are as high as they charted to be. Also surprised me that his deep percentages were higher than Lynch's.
On the tweeted gif... I remember that play, but it's only one, anecdotal success... and one, I'd add, that was thrown about as flat as that deep of a ball can be thrown. But point taken... I should have said "doesn't have the ability to consistently drop balls into windows with a man yards underneath."
I think Goff's deep numbers look the way they do because "deep" passing is considered 20+, and the times his arm really underwhelms is the 35-plus-yarders.
As for Wentz, you're probably right -- I was just giving you shit
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Don't agree with it, but I can understand it if you don't give added weight to the mental aspects of the game. To me that's the biggest hurdle there is and so far Goff is the only one I see who has already cleared that bar.
Just spent my first session with Wentz watched his early stuff vs. Montana and NIU. After getting over my usual running-QB-gag-reflex I saw some good, but more areas in need of development than either Goff or Lynch.
First need... touch... doesn't have the ability to drop balls into windows with a man yards underneath... ends up throwing too flat. Otherwise the arm talent is there. Looked to me like the throwing mechanics are there. TOR in both directions is good.
Second need... vision... threw a bad pick to a single-high FS he never saw closing... never looked for... never looked off.
Feet are good and pocket presence is not terrible, but he does drop his eyes to the rush and first instinct tends to be to bolt rather than slide in pocket. This showed vs. NIU as Montana never really generated pressure.
Reads-wise... looks for open receivers rather than reads defenses... and still throws into double coverage.
Still more to watch, but so far he looks very much like a multi-year project... at best...
https://twitter.com/TDGawd/status/685571443006947328
Also, I am watching Goff a lot. His arm on the 20+ stuff, especially to the sidelines, is not impressive. At all.
https://twitter.com/TDGawd/status/685571443006947328
Also, I am watching Goff a lot. His arm on the 20+ stuff, especially to the sidelines, is not impressive. At all.
OK, regarding Goff- don't know if it has to be Brett Farve bazooka, but it does have to be accurate. I refer you to around 1:55 of the video. He'll never be compared to Manziel in scrambling ability either.
It's thirteen minutes of film, when he didn't have a particularly good game. -
https://twitter.com/TDGawd/status/685571443006947328
Also, I am watching Goff a lot. His arm on the 20+ stuff, especially to the sidelines, is not impressive. At all.
OK, regarding Goff- don't know if it has to be Brett Farve bazooka, but it does have to be accurate. I refer you to around 1:55 of the video. He'll never be compared to Manziel in scrambling ability either.
It's thirteen minutes of film, when he didn't have a particularly good game.OK, regarding Goff- don't know if it has to be Brett Farve bazooka, but it does have to be accurate. I refer you to around 1:55 of the video. He'll never be compared to Manziel in scrambling ability either.
It's thirteen minutes of film, when he didn't have a particularly good game.Is that the 5 INT game? Haven't gotten to that one yet.
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OK, regarding Goff- don't know if it has to be Brett Farve bazooka, but it does have to be accurate. I refer you to around 1:55 of the video. He'll never be compared to Manziel in scrambling ability either.
It's thirteen minutes of film, when he didn't have a particularly good game.Is that the 5 INT game? Haven't gotten to that one yet.
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The Rams need a quarterback. I can't see them selling tickets in Los Angeles to see Nick Foles who was benched for Casey Keenum! The Rams will take Wentz or Goff.
The Rams need a quarterback. I can't see them selling tickets in Los Angeles to see Nick Foles who was benched for Casey Keenum! The Rams will take Wentz or Goff.
They want excitement? A name that would go over big in Hollywood?
Trade even up: Johnny for Foles.
At least they would get the attention they want....and Johnny can butt sniff the celebrities that would come to hang around.
Win Win Win
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The Rams need a quarterback. I can't see them selling tickets in Los Angeles to see Nick Foles who was benched for Casey Keenum! The Rams will take Wentz or Goff.
They want excitement? A name that would go over big in Hollywood?
Trade even up: Johnny for Foles.
At least they would get the attention they want....and Johnny can butt sniff the celebrities that would come to hang around.
Win Win Win
Trade even up: Johnny for Foles.
Done! I have a feeling we've not heard the last from Mr. Foles.
Rams will land someone for "the move"... and probably add a vet. RG3 would not surprise me with Wentz as the QB of the future.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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