If Goff Is Gone...
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Yea I saw the pictures of the ole vagitron family reunion.
Good juan.
Cleveland and Ohio in general has a lot of catching up to do. I see more racist, Confederate flag flying rednecks in Ohio than I ever do in PA by a large margin. Looks like a pretty entertaining family reunion tho.
Good juan.
Cleveland and Ohio in general has a lot of catching up to do. I see more racist, Confederate flag flying rednecks in Ohio than I ever do in PA by a large margin. Looks like a pretty entertaining family reunion tho.
I'm very pro-Confederate flag (and I'm not racist at all), but why would people in Ohio and PA fly it?
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They need a LT in the worst possible way. I just don't see them trading down unless they pick up one prior to the draft. Tunsil is their guy otherwise.
But who knows. So many things can change between now and draft day for all teams picking in the top 10.
Just started my Tunsil work with the A&M game. Nothing in that game screamed "1st Overall".
All the 2015 cut-ups on DraftBreakdown are of easy Ole Miss victories. Will have to scour the web a bit to find tight games and games where the Reb's were playing from behind.
Just started my Tunsil work with the A&M game. Nothing in that game screamed "1st Overall".
All the 2015 cut-ups on DraftBreakdown are of easy Ole Miss victories. Will have to scour the web a bit to find tight games and games where the Reb's were playing from behind.
So that CBS article about how he won the battle against Garrett was true or false? I tried to break it down but Tunsil didn't play every snap (and neither did Garrett) so I didn't feel like trying to figure out when they were facing off.
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What about the possibility of taking RG3 and then a developmental QB like Lynch (2nd) or Cardale (3rd) or even Vernon Adams (4th or later)?
So, you don't have a reason to not like it? I'd love to know what makes Goff a better deal than RG3 + whoever we can get at #2.
As a matter of fact, I'd like to know what makes Goff a better NFL QB prospect than RG3 straight up.
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RG3'S injuris and attitude come to mind.
PS Adams is 5'11" for all you midget haters..
WSS
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Problem is not alcoholism... it's taste...
Find yourself a nice place that sells a plethora of micro brews. If the owner is worth a damn and you ask he/she should be able to point you into a direction based on preference. There are some absolutely fantastic beers out there and you don't have to drink 10 to get a nice warm feeling. I drink very rarely anymore but when I do its usually something obscure.
http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/71/221/
I had one of those the other day and I could have slowly drank an entire case all day. One of the best beers I've had in a while. Trappist stuff is also awesome BUT the really good stuff is hard to come by a lot of the time.
Find yourself a nice place that sells a plethora of micro brews. If the owner is worth a damn and you ask he/she should be able to point you into a direction based on preference. There are some absolutely fantastic beers out there and you don't have to drink 10 to get a nice warm feeling. I drink very rarely anymore but when I do its usually something obscure.
http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/71/221/
I had one of those the other day and I could have slowly drank an entire case all day. One of the best beers I've had in a while. Trappist stuff is also awesome BUT the really good stuff is hard to come by a lot of the time.
Nice score on that one Vag, but look at the score on mine same website.
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So, you don't have a reason to not like it? I'd love to know what makes Goff a better deal than RG3 + whoever we can get at #2.
As a matter of fact, I'd like to know what makes Goff a better NFL QB prospect than RG3 straight up.
RG3 hasn't proven he can play a pro offense. He has extensive injury history, he couldn't displace Kirk Cousins on a team that mortgaged a fuck ton for him, and he's had reports questioning his locker room presence.
Also, RG3 isn't so much of a prospect anymore. It's pretty much known what he is.
RG3 is not going to be the lightning in a bottle that'll end our near 20 year long QB debate - as I see it.
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Micro brews
Pussy brews
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I expect a down turn when Ben hangs them up but I will never expect 15 years of losing. The steelers have a well run organization with a ton of continuity and as long as that is maintained I don't ever see them having more than a couple losing seasons in a row. We already had a slight downturn while the offense and defense were retooled. Now we have arguably the best offense in the nfl with a surplus at wr. We won't be able to keep them all and a emerging and very fast defense. Ben and Bell never took a snap this past season together. It's crazy to even think about. The Browns need that continuity.Sorry man, a little rivalry is fine, but hating on Pittsburgh area residents is no different than looking in the mirror and being disgusted about what you see. Steeler fans; They are us.
We have to reserve judgment on this I believe until the Steeler fans have had 15 straight years of losing football.
From that perspective, I am not sure they is us, Pogo. From slight experience I think they could be a very fairweather fan base.
(and certainly all the FRAKs would jump ship)
I expect a down turn when Ben hangs them up but I will never expect 15 years of losing. The steelers have a well run organization with a ton of continuity and as long as that is maintained I don't ever see them having more than a couple losing seasons in a row. We already had a slight downturn while the offense and defense were retooled. Now we have arguably the best offense in the nfl with a surplus at wr. We won't be able to keep them all and a emerging and very fast defense. Ben and Bell never took a snap this past season together. It's crazy to even think about. The Browns need that continuity.
The Browns need quality continuity. We could have had continuity....if we had kept the inept people in their place.
That is the thing about continuity.....it isn't just a matter of keeping the same people in place that lose year after year....as has occurred with some franchises (Cardinals/Lions).
You have to keep TRYING to put good people in place.
And FYI....having a quality QB in place helps an awful lot. That mainly has been the difference between the Browns and the Steelers.
Fucking hell....if Derek Anderson had been what we hoped he would after 2007....both he and Romeo could have still been here.
He wasn't....and neither was anyone else.
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Good juan.
Cleveland and Ohio in general has a lot of catching up to do. I see more racist, Confederate flag flying rednecks in Ohio than I ever do in PA by a large margin. Looks like a pretty entertaining family reunion tho.
I'm very pro-Confederate flag (and I'm not racist at all), but why would people in Ohio and PA fly it?
I'm very pro-Confederate flag (and I'm not racist at all), but why would people in Ohio and PA fly it?
Because anyone that flies it announces to the world that they are racist...and sorry...it doesn't matter what YOU think about it. That is the perception you give to the outside world. ...and the people in Ohio and PA that fly it are announcing that are racist. (perhaps they are just not as dishonest about it as people in the South).
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So, you don't have a reason to not like it? I'd love to know what makes Goff a better deal than RG3 + whoever we can get at #2.
As a matter of fact, I'd like to know what makes Goff a better NFL QB prospect than RG3 straight up.
RG3 hasn't proven he can play a pro offense. He has extensive injury history, he couldn't displace Kirk Cousins on a team that mortgaged a fuck ton for him, and he's had reports questioning his locker room presence.
Also, RG3 isn't so much of a prospect anymore. It's pretty much known what he is.
RG3 is not going to be the lightning in a bottle that'll end our near 20 year long QB debate - as I see it.
RG3 hasn't proven he can play a pro offense. He has extensive injury history, he couldn't displace Kirk Cousins on a team that mortgaged a fuck ton for him, and he's had reports questioning his locker room presence.
Also, RG3 isn't so much of a prospect anymore. It's pretty much known what he is.
RG3 is not going to be the lightning in a bottle that'll end our near 20 year long QB debate - as I see it.
I guess though that I need to be informed about this bad attitude of his. He has been hurt....he may not have an offense designed for him.....but by all accounts he has acted a true professional about his situation.....unlike another Johnny come later.
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If Goff is gone, I'd be surprised, and I'd take Wentz.
Agree... don't see Goff gone. Also don't see Wentz at #2, if that was what you were implying. But this is his week to make his case.
So that CBS article about how he won the battle against Garrett was true or false? I tried to break it down but Tunsil didn't play every snap (and neither did Garrett) so I didn't feel like trying to figure out when they were facing off.
Look at the cut-up on DraftBreakdown.
I don't think they matched up enough to say either "won", but Garrett did gain the edge on Tunsil once and only a necktie takedown prevented a sack. I don't think the hold was called.
Don't get me wrong... Tunsil was good... in fact he was very good and I will be shocked if I do not think of him as being a strong, 1st rounder... but a #1 overall candidate??? Big difference...
Good PassPro mechanics, but only a fledgling kick drop... balance is good as is his knee flex and waist bend, but tended to let rusher get to his body.
Run block he tended to run to not thru blocks... never saw him bury anyone... not even much smaller players. He'd pop them good, but then pause a beat as they separated. He'd often reengage, but any chance of a wipe out were gone. It's possible he just does not have a nasty streak I guess.
A lot more tape to go.
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Yeah I like Tunsil a lot. This year I may get more into the tape breakdown. If I can pry myself away from breaking down HS tape for a month.
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So, you don't have a reason to not like it? I'd love to know what makes Goff a better deal than RG3 + whoever we can get at #2.
As a matter of fact, I'd like to know what makes Goff a better NFL QB prospect than RG3 straight up.
RG3 hasn't proven he can play a pro offense. He has extensive injury history, he couldn't displace Kirk Cousins on a team that mortgaged a fuck ton for him, and he's had reports questioning his locker room presence.
Also, RG3 isn't so much of a prospect anymore. It's pretty much known what he is.
RG3 is not going to be the lightning in a bottle that'll end our near 20 year long QB debate - as I see it.
RG3 hasn't proven he can play a pro offense. He has extensive injury history, he couldn't displace Kirk Cousins on a team that mortgaged a fuck ton for him, and he's had reports questioning his locker room presence.
Also, RG3 isn't so much of a prospect anymore. It's pretty much known what he is.
RG3 is not going to be the lightning in a bottle that'll end our near 20 year long QB debate - as I see it.
When did Goff prove he can play in a pro offense? Must have missed that.
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TC3PO, did you see my post to you the other day? Email me.
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RG3 hasn't proven he can play a pro offense. He has extensive injury history, he couldn't displace Kirk Cousins on a team that mortgaged a fuck ton for him, and he's had reports questioning his locker room presence.
Also, RG3 isn't so much of a prospect anymore. It's pretty much known what he is.
RG3 is not going to be the lightning in a bottle that'll end our near 20 year long QB debate - as I see it.
When did Goff prove he can play in a pro offense? Must have missed that.
When did Goff prove he can play in a pro offense? Must have missed that.
He hasn't proved that he can't.
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RG3 hasn't proven he can play a pro offense. He has extensive injury history, he couldn't displace Kirk Cousins on a team that mortgaged a fuck ton for him, and he's had reports questioning his locker room presence.
Also, RG3 isn't so much of a prospect anymore. It's pretty much known what he is.
RG3 is not going to be the lightning in a bottle that'll end our near 20 year long QB debate - as I see it.
I guess though that I need to be informed about this bad attitude of his. He has been hurt....he may not have an offense designed for him.....but by all accounts he has acted a true professional about his situation.....unlike another Johnny come later.
I guess though that I need to be informed about this bad attitude of his. He has been hurt....he may not have an offense designed for him.....but by all accounts he has acted a true professional about his situation.....unlike another Johnny come later.
There were lots of reports that his teammates didn't like him iirc.
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If Goff is gone, I'd be surprised, and I'd take Wentz.
Agree... don't see Goff gone. Also don't see Wentz at #2, if that was what you were implying. But this is his week to make his case.
So that CBS article about how he won the battle against Garrett was true or false? I tried to break it down but Tunsil didn't play every snap (and neither did Garrett) so I didn't feel like trying to figure out when they were facing off.
Look at the cut-up on DraftBreakdown.
I don't think they matched up enough to say either "won", but Garrett did gain the edge on Tunsil once and only a necktie takedown prevented a sack. I don't think the hold was called.
Don't get me wrong... Tunsil was good... in fact he was very good and I will be shocked if I do not think of him as being a strong, 1st rounder... but a #1 overall candidate??? Big difference...
Good PassPro mechanics, but only a fledgling kick drop... balance is good as is his knee flex and waist bend, but tended to let rusher get to his body.
Run block he tended to run to not thru blocks... never saw him bury anyone... not even much smaller players. He'd pop them good, but then pause a beat as they separated. He'd often reengage, but any chance of a wipe out were gone. It's possible he just does not have a nasty streak I guess.
A lot more tape to go.
Agree... don't see Goff gone. Also don't see Wentz at #2, if that was what you were implying. But this is his week to make his case.
Look at the cut-up on DraftBreakdown.
I don't think they matched up enough to say either "won", but Garrett did gain the edge on Tunsil once and only a necktie takedown prevented a sack. I don't think the hold was called.
Don't get me wrong... Tunsil was good... in fact he was very good and I will be shocked if I do not think of him as being a strong, 1st rounder... but a #1 overall candidate??? Big difference...
Good PassPro mechanics, but only a fledgling kick drop... balance is good as is his knee flex and waist bend, but tended to let rusher get to his body.
Run block he tended to run to not thru blocks... never saw him bury anyone... not even much smaller players. He'd pop them good, but then pause a beat as they separated. He'd often reengage, but any chance of a wipe out were gone. It's possible he just does not have a nasty streak I guess.
A lot more tape to go.
I don't think saying Wentz at 2 is any crazier or acceptable than saying Goff there. Have watched a few of each of their games. I don't think any of them will be available at 32, so they'll probably have to take their guy at 2. Of course I thought that about Carr, Teddy and Manziel, too.
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I expect a down turn when Ben hangs them up but I will never expect 15 years of losing. The steelers have a well run organization with a ton of continuity and as long as that is maintained I don't ever see them having more than a couple losing seasons in a row. We already had a slight downturn while the offense and defense were retooled. Now we have arguably the best offense in the nfl with a surplus at wr. We won't be able to keep them all and a emerging and very fast defense. Ben and Bell never took a snap this past season together. It's crazy to even think about. The Browns need that continuity.
The Browns need quality continuity. We could have had continuity....if we had kept the inept people in their place.
That is the thing about continuity.....it isn't just a matter of keeping the same people in place that lose year after year....as has occurred with some franchises (Cardinals/Lions).
You have to keep TRYING to put good people in place.
And FYI....having a quality QB in place helps an awful lot. That mainly has been the difference between the Browns and the Steelers.
Fucking hell....if Derek Anderson had been what we hoped he would after 2007....both he and Romeo could have still been here.
He wasn't....and neither was anyone else.
Fucking hell....if Derek Anderson had been what we hoped he would after 2007....both he and Romeo could have still been here.
He wasn't....and neither was anyone else.
That's because idiots in the stand demand a quarterback who can single-handedly take a shit team to the Super Bowl within 2 seasons. Well one actually. It's not realistic and it doesn't work. Now back to your race baiting.
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So, you don't have a reason to not like it? I'd love to know what makes Goff a better deal than RG3 + whoever we can get at #2.
As a matter of fact, I'd like to know what makes Goff a better NFL QB prospect than RG3 straight up.
RG3 hasn't proven he can play a pro offense. He has extensive injury history, he couldn't displace Kirk Cousins on a team that mortgaged a fuck ton for him, and he's had reports questioning his locker room presence.
Also, RG3 isn't so much of a prospect anymore. It's pretty much known what he is.
RG3 is not going to be the lightning in a bottle that'll end our near 20 year long QB debate - as I see it.
RG3 hasn't proven he can play a pro offense. He has extensive injury history, he couldn't displace Kirk Cousins on a team that mortgaged a fuck ton for him, and he's had reports questioning his locker room presence.
Also, RG3 isn't so much of a prospect anymore. It's pretty much known what he is.
RG3 is not going to be the lightning in a bottle that'll end our near 20 year long QB debate - as I see it.
He's statistically much more sound than any QB we've had in 15 years. From a pure numbers standpoint, there's not much to dislike about him.
Even at his worst, assuming that his injury had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with his decision making and that his lack of protection had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with his mindset, RG3 didn't exhibit a clear pattern of inability to read NFL defenses. If you think that, I implore you to go back and watch his tape.
There's a lot of group think on this board. It's few and far between you find someone who actually forms their own opinion based off of what they actually see. I pray you don't end up becoming one of those who regurgitates what they hear on ESPN.
But if you do believe that RG3 lost a straight up, completely even QB battle with Kirk Cousins, then I have some beautiful oceanfront property in Kansas for ya.
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