Jonathan Paul Manziel
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"This" refers to the notion that 2015 johnny didn't improve over 2014.
The problem with JF is that the next progression he goes through in which he chooses the best option.. will be his first. I don't care if he "wants to" improve or not.. the reality is that he hasn't improved, isn't improving currently, and isn't putting in the work.
This is a very stupid thread. Please close it, mods.
Apparently, you don't understand how progression works. When a team picks a quarterback, it should play said quarterback to be able to make definitive statements like you just made. But you can't. What you can do is point towards improvements he has made, but there is far from enough of a sample size to know one way or the other.
Apparently, you don't understand how progression works.
Apparently you don't understand what progression is - or how it works.
Progression refers to the ability [or, in JFF's case, absence] of a QB to look at each WR sequentially during a play to determine if they are open. This is done based on how the defender is positioned, the relative speed of the defender in relation to the speed of the WR, and film study to know each defender's closing speed [eg if the defender is "baiting"].
When a team picks a quarterback, it should play said quarterback to be able to make definitive statements like you just made.
Coaches watch him every day on the practice field - and analyze the all-22 view of the practice as they need to. They see quite clearly that he has made zero improvements in his ability to execute a progression since he was drafted. JFF was given more than a "fair" chance to earn that playing time.. and JFF didn't deserve it. Nobody "gets" anything in life.. you have to earn it.
JFF had to beat out McCown.. a fair requirement, every young QB has to beat the veteran. And JFF never did... because he's simply not good enough. Cleveland should actually not "just play" him with a more competent McCown sitting on the bench.
The definitive statement was made: JFF is not a good football player. I hope he goes back to school, finishes his degree, and makes something of his life. Of course, the Padres drafted him as a shortstop in the 2014 draft, so maybe he's got something there.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Apparently, you don't understand how progression works.
Apparently you don't understand what progression is - or how it works.
Progression refers to the ability [or, in JFF's case, absence] of a QB to look at each WR sequentially during a play to determine if they are open. This is done based on how the defender is positioned, the relative speed of the defender in relation to the speed of the WR, and film study to know each defender's closing speed [eg if the defender is "baiting"].
When a team picks a quarterback, it should play said quarterback to be able to make definitive statements like you just made.
Coaches watch him every day on the practice field - and analyze the all-22 view of the practice as they need to. They see quite clearly that he has made zero improvements in his ability to execute a progression since he was drafted. JFF was given more than a "fair" chance to earn that playing time.. and JFF didn't deserve it. Nobody "gets" anything in life.. you have to earn it.
JFF had to beat out McCown.. a fair requirement, every young QB has to beat the veteran. And JFF never did... because he's simply not good enough. Cleveland should actually not "just play" him with a more competent McCown sitting on the bench.
The definitive statement was made: JFF is not a good football player. I hope he goes back to school, finishes his degree, and makes something of his life. Of course, the Padres drafted him as a shortstop in the 2014 draft, so maybe he's got something there.
The definitive statement was made: JFF is not a good football player. I hope he goes back to school, finishes his degree, and makes something of his life. Of course, the Padres drafted him as a shortstop in the 2014 draft, so maybe he's got something there.
I think the definitive statement was that he's not a good enough football player to excuse all of the off field shit. And he'd have to be a hell of a football player to do that.
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Well these two just about empty the bandwagon now for JM. The second one did him a major favor IMO.
http://www.tmz.com/2016/01/25/johnny-manziel-colleen-crowley-signs-point-to-break-up/
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Well these two just about empty the bandwagon now for JM. The second one did him a major favor IMO.
http://www.tmz.com/2016/01/25/johnny-manziel-colleen-crowley-signs-point-to-break-up/
Well these two just about empty the bandwagon now for JM. The second one did him a major favor IMO.
http://www.tmz.com/2016/01/25/johnny-manziel-colleen-crowley-signs-point-to-break-up/
Breaking: Chris Christie jumps in front of a train, derails - hundreds dead
Maybe Colleen just doesn't want to move to Canada 🥷
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Rizzo said yesterday morning on knr he has heard that there is still support for Manzeil in Berea.
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There certainly is.....this is ready for Johnny anytime he wishes to use it:
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Your original post got moved to the Johnny mega thread, didn't need to make another one.
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Of course they will show support while posturing for a trade. In reality, the kid has not played awful while hes been on the field, and he really hasnt done anything terrible off the field. Sure hes immature and makes some bad decisions but I think he'll continue to grow as a person and as a player. Unless we get an offer we cant refuse, I see us keeping him around, while drafting another guy in the second or third round.
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Of course they will show support while posturing for a trade. In reality, the kid has not played awful while hes been on the field, and he really hasnt done anything terrible off the field. Sure hes immature and makes some bad decisions but I think he'll continue to grow as a person and as a player. Unless we get an offer we cant refuse, I see us keeping him around, while drafting another guy in the second or third round.
Of course they will show support while posturing for a trade. In reality, the kid has not played awful while hes been on the field, and he really hasnt done anything terrible off the field. Sure hes immature and makes some bad decisions but I think he'll continue to grow as a person and as a player. Unless we get an offer we cant refuse, I see us keeping him around, while drafting another guy in the second or third round.
In reading about it I think it appears that Jackson insisted on the final say. If we take him at his word, he has not ruled him out before an in depth review and a chance to talk to him in person to make up his own mind.
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Apparently, you don't understand how progression works.
Apparently you don't understand what progression is - or how it works.
Progression refers to the ability [or, in JFF's case, absence] of a QB to look at each WR sequentially during a play to determine if they are open. This is done based on how the defender is positioned, the relative speed of the defender in relation to the speed of the WR, and film study to know each defender's closing speed [eg if the defender is "baiting"].
When a team picks a quarterback, it should play said quarterback to be able to make definitive statements like you just made.
Coaches watch him every day on the practice field - and analyze the all-22 view of the practice as they need to. They see quite clearly that he has made zero improvements in his ability to execute a progression since he was drafted. JFF was given more than a "fair" chance to earn that playing time.. and JFF didn't deserve it. Nobody "gets" anything in life.. you have to earn it.
JFF had to beat out McCown.. a fair requirement, every young QB has to beat the veteran. And JFF never did... because he's simply not good enough. Cleveland should actually not "just play" him with a more competent McCown sitting on the bench.
The definitive statement was made: JFF is not a good football player. I hope he goes back to school, finishes his degree, and makes something of his life. Of course, the Padres drafted him as a shortstop in the 2014 draft, so maybe he's got something there.
Apparently you don't understand what progression is - or how it works.
Progression refers to the ability [or, in JFF's case, absence] of a QB to look at each WR sequentially during a play to determine if they are open. This is done based on how the defender is positioned, the relative speed of the defender in relation to the speed of the WR, and film study to know each defender's closing speed [eg if the defender is "baiting"].
I was referencing his progression as a player, not his pocket ability (which, sorry to alarm you, has improved) -- I understand quarterback progressions quite well, but thank you for that very poor attempt at an explanation.
Coaches watch him every day on the practice field - and analyze the all-22 view of the practice as they need to. They see quite clearly that he has made zero improvements in his ability to execute a progression since he was drafted. JFF was given more than a "fair" chance to earn that playing time.. and JFF didn't deserve it. Nobody "gets" anything in life.. you have to earn it.
I trust people I know who get paid for their analysis of film, my own eye from watching All-22 each week, and the general consensus that Manziel made big strides. I do not trust your biased generalization without any supporting evidence.
JFF had to beat out McCown.. a fair requirement, every young QB has to beat the veteran. And JFF never did... because he's simply not good enough. Cleveland should actually not "just play" him with a more competent McCown sitting on the bench.
Not true. The best way to improve is to play. Only so much can be done and learned from the sidelines, especially for the quarterback position. This is a fact. The more he played, the more you started seeing him fix mistakes he had made. That's called "progression" and what I was referring to.
The definitive statement was made: JFF is not a good football player. I hope he goes back to school, finishes his degree, and makes something of his life. Of course, the Padres drafted him as a shortstop in the 2014 draft, so maybe he's got something there.
Again, not true, and more unfunny rhetoric to prove your bias. Have a nice day, or don't, I don't care.
Not sure if you can afford ESPN Insider or not, but this is a good read. Education is worth the small investment.
(Matt Bowen knows football better than you).
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Based on the Titans game?
The Titans game wasn't even that good. He just hit 2 deep passes to Benjamin that a good quarterback would have recognized and made sooner - like Austin Davis did later in the season on virtually the same play (when filling in for McCown)
Maybe he was milwaukees best in 2014 and now he's olde english in 2015. I mean maybe it's progress, but it still sucks.
Personally, I'd be much happier with a quarterback who can recognize where the blitz is coming from and identify 1-on-1 coverage with Travis Benjamin before the ball even snaps - then stand in the face of pressure and toss a long accurate TD with a quick, high release. But we haven't drafted Goff yet.
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I linked something in earlier post from after the Pittsburgh game as well. The only point is that he has improved and people continue to deny it because they don't want to see it, or aren't capable of objective analysis. (Or not capable of analyzing football)
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I linked something in earlier post from after the Pittsburgh game as well. The only point is that he has improved and people continue to deny it because they don't want to see it, or aren't capable of objective analysis. (Or not capable of analyzing football)
I linked something in earlier post from after the Pittsburgh game as well. The only point is that he has improved and people continue to deny it because they don't want to see it, or aren't capable of objective analysis. (Or not capable of analyzing football)
Mike, I won't deny Johnny has made progress. It's going to be up to Hue to decide if he's made enough progress to warrant keeping him around. My bet is not.
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I linked something in earlier post from after the Pittsburgh game as well. The only point is that he has improved and people continue to deny it because they don't want to see it, or aren't capable of objective analysis. (Or not capable of analyzing football)
Mike, I won't deny Johnny has made progress. It's going to be up to Hue to decide if he's made enough progress to warrant keeping him around. My bet is not.
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Johnny still has support from the front office according to Tony Rizzo
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Rizzo said yesterday morning on knr he has heard that there is still support for Manzeil in Berea.
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Johnny still has support from the front office according to Tony Rizzo
I merged that with the ever growing Johnny thread. I'll call this unsubstantiated BS. They're only trying to keep his trade value up- as they should.
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I merged that with the ever growing Johnny thread. I'll call this unsubstantiated BS. They're only trying to keep his trade value up- as they should.
I don't think we get to make those distinctions. You can't give credence to Peter King's "Browns are DONE with JM" comment (before Hue was even hired) and then ignore this because you prefer, or think one to be true over the other.
If Manziel is really that big of a problem for Scheiner and Jimmy that he's worth releasing, there will not be a team willing to trade for him--leaking positivity to a second-rate radio host is not going to change that perception, if that's the reality.
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Second rate radio host???!!....then he's moved up in the rankings.
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