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I'm confused! Please enlighten me in my ignorance. I read comments, which make sense, saying take the best player available when it comes to our turn picking. But, supposing Goff and Bosa were both available still on second pick- how do you determine who to go for? They are both currently thought to be good players so how do you determine who is the better player when they play vastly different positions?
Is it therefore best to determine your need first and pick a player in that position if they are still available? To put it another way, it seems pretty clear that Manziel has let everyone down and should be traded. So at no2 pick we have determined we should pick a QB. Why wouldn't we pick a QB if there are 3 highly regarded QBs in this draft even though Bosa, Elliot and whoever else are still available?
Have Denver proved you don't need a great QB (any longer) to make the SB? In which case won't Josh and Connor be fine?
Sorry, I feel like I've gone around in circles there, but as I say I'm just confused.
Okay final question: are there some teams that always draft well and in which case why is this?
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Agree... I do not think injury takes "diddly" off of the table.
And "the hit" did fuel the hype, but Clowney had a freakish explosion off of the ball to support the hype. The question was his "desire" and no characteristic is tested more by injury than desire.
Agree... I do not think injury takes "diddly" off of the table.
And "the hit" did fuel the hype, but Clowney had a freakish explosion off of the ball to support the hype. The question was his "desire" and no characteristic is tested more by injury than desire.
The stuff the combine doesn't show. Anyone with a brain should've been able to see the red flags with Clowney, I know I saw them and repeatedly said it before the draft........ Hell, I said Barr would be the better pro, and not because of his combine #s, but because of his game play - ( I saw a ton of him being a UCLA fan ).
Hopefully our guys will look past all of the draft hype from people who probably never even played the game at the high school level, and let the draft rising - workout warriors be over drafted by someone else.
Hey, our local JC QB is 6'6", 240lbs and went 11-1 this year.......... I bet he can run around cones really fast and has big hands, and that will be enough to get the "draft gurus" all wet and wild.
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...sorry just noticed part of my text didn't get included! I think I was asking isn't it therefore best to determine what position vacancy you need first? If we have determined Manziel is a bust don't we need to pick a QB? There seem to be two highly regarded QBs in this years draft so we will get one of them.
Then I go on to question that by saying isn't it just good enough to have a good QB like Denver currently do (albeit great in the past) as opposed to constantly searching for a great one- didn't do Green Bay any good?
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Deputy - if you've got two guys ranked about the same on your draft board, you can look at what position you need. For example, Laremy Tunsil might grade out on a par with Bosa, but he's a left tackle and we've got Joe Thomas. But if he's the best player by a margin, you take him anyway - or hope a team wants him real bad and trades up.
The other thing to consider of course is the impact on the team overall - why punters don't get drafted highly but QBs get over drafted.
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I'm confused! Please enlighten me in my ignorance. I read comments, which make sense, saying take the best player available when it comes to our turn picking. But, supposing Goff and Bosa were both available still on second pick- how do you determine who to go for? They are both currently thought to be good players so how do you determine who is the better player when they play vastly different positions?
Is it therefore best to determine your need first and pick a player in that position if they are still available? To put it another way, it seems pretty clear that Manziel has let everyone down and should be traded. So at no2 pick we have determined we should pick a QB. Why wouldn't we pick a QB if there are 3 highly regarded QBs in this draft even though Bosa, Elliot and whoever else are still available?
Have Denver proved you don't need a great QB (any longer) to make the SB? In which case won't Josh and Connor be fine?
Sorry, I feel like I've gone around in circles there, but as I say I'm just confused.
Okay final question: are there some teams that always draft well and in which case why is this?
I'm confused! Please enlighten me in my ignorance. I read comments, which make sense, saying take the best player available when it comes to our turn picking. But, supposing Goff and Bosa were both available still on second pick- how do you determine who to go for?
If you rank the prospects essentially even, then nothing wrong with going for your position of greater need and higher relative importance. The combination can be referred to as value.
What you do not want to do is allow need and importance make you reach for a perceptibly lesser player.
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Cheers Chris and Tour. So are there any teams which consistently seem to have good drafts?
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I'm confused! Please enlighten me in my ignorance. I read comments, which make sense, saying take the best player available when it comes to our turn picking. But, supposing Goff and Bosa were both available still on second pick- how do you determine who to go for? They are both currently thought to be good players so how do you determine who is the better player when they play vastly different positions?
Is it therefore best to determine your need first and pick a player in that position if they are still available? To put it another way, it seems pretty clear that Manziel has let everyone down and should be traded. So at no2 pick we have determined we should pick a QB. Why wouldn't we pick a QB if there are 3 highly regarded QBs in this draft even though Bosa, Elliot and whoever else are still available?
Have Denver proved you don't need a great QB (any longer) to make the SB? In which case won't Josh and Connor be fine?
Sorry, I feel like I've gone around in circles there, but as I say I'm just confused.
Okay final question: are there some teams that always draft well and in which case why is this?
I'm confused! Please enlighten me in my ignorance. I read comments, which make sense, saying take the best player available when it comes to our turn picking. But, supposing Goff and Bosa were both available still on second pick- how do you determine who to go for?
Nowhere on earth has anyone said the Goff is expected to be as good as Bosa. You take Bosa IMO.
They are both currently thought to be good players so how do you determine who is the better player when they play vastly different positions?
Is it therefore best to determine your need first and pick a player in that position if they are still available? To put it another way, it seems pretty clear that Manziel has let everyone down and should be traded. So at no2 pick we have determined we should pick a QB. Why wouldn't we pick a QB if there are 3 highly regarded QBs in this draft even though Bosa, Elliot and whoever else are still available?
Have Denver proved you don't need a great QB (any longer) to make the SB? In which case won't Josh and Connor be fine?
Sorry, I feel like I've gone around in circles there, but as I say I'm just confused.
Okay final question: are there some teams that always draft well and in which case why is this?
Better more astute scouting department. Browns have failed badly at this, clearly.
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I think most of us felt that our new "analytical" approach would virtually derail any trade up to the #1 pick. Giving up resources when you're trying to build from next to nothing is difficult to stomach. Trouble is, we need a QB, so there's that. Hopefully we have another QB candidate rated high enough to take with the second pick. I'm not even sure trading down is a good idea. Several of the teams behind us might not need a QB, but you never know who they could trade with, and we don't want to get burned. If we grade a QB out high enough, and we think he can be the guy, then we take him at #2...no matter what.
I'm not even sure trading down is a good idea.
I'm certain it isn't, based on my analytical approach of recent drafts when we screwed it up so bad lol.
The draft is designed to make bad teams better by selecting their draft picks, not to make bad teams trade away picks. I think Sashi is smart enough to know this. We've got #2, 32, & 65. Right there is enough to fill 3 holes.
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I'm confused! Please enlighten me in my ignorance. I read comments, which make sense, saying take the best player available when it comes to our turn picking. But, supposing Goff and Bosa were both available still on second pick- how do you determine who to go for?
Nowhere on earth has anyone said the Goff is expected to be as good as Bosa. You take Bosa IMO.
They are both currently thought to be good players so how do you determine who is the better player when they play vastly different positions?
Is it therefore best to determine your need first and pick a player in that position if they are still available? To put it another way, it seems pretty clear that Manziel has let everyone down and should be traded. So at no2 pick we have determined we should pick a QB. Why wouldn't we pick a QB if there are 3 highly regarded QBs in this draft even though Bosa, Elliot and whoever else are still available?
Have Denver proved you don't need a great QB (any longer) to make the SB? In which case won't Josh and Connor be fine?
Sorry, I feel like I've gone around in circles there, but as I say I'm just confused.
Okay final question: are there some teams that always draft well and in which case why is this?
Better more astute scouting department. Browns have failed badly at this, clearly.
Nowhere on earth has anyone said the Goff is expected to be as good as Bosa. You take Bosa IMO.
No one? Anywhere? Interesting typo at NFL.com...
Player .................... Pos Ht. Wt. College Grade
Tunsil, Laremy ........ OT 6'5" 305 OleMiss 7.7
Jack, Myles .......... OLB 6'1" 245 UCLA ... 7.5
Buckner,DeForest .... DE 6'7" 281 Oregon 7.3
Elliott, Ezekiel .......... RB 6'0" 225 Ohio St. 7.2
Smith, Jaylon .......... OLB 6'3" 229 NotreD 7.1
Ramsey, Jalen ......... CB 6'1" 202 FSU .... 6.8
Bosa, Joey ............ DE 6'6" 275 Ohio St. 6.7
Goff, Jared ............ QB 6'4" 215 Californ 6.7
Stanley, Ronnie ..... OT 6'5" 304 NotreDm 6.7
Billings, Andrew ....... NT 6'2" 310 Baylor . 6.7
Hargreaves, Vern .... CB 5'11" 192 Florida 6.7
Not only is Bosa's rating the same as Goff's, Bosa is not the top DE on NFL.com's board.
Really looking forward to your next reply, Gip...
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I think most of us felt that our new "analytical" approach would virtually derail any trade up to the #1 pick.
Or analytics might make a "can't miss" case for a single player...
Or analytics might make a "can't miss" case for a single player...
That's a pretty fair statement. I guess it will all come down to how we rate the QB candidates. What I'm severely hoping for is Goff and Wentz to be rated about equally, so even if one goes first overall, we'll still have a guy we like at 2.
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Nowhere on earth has anyone said the Goff is expected to be as good as Bosa. You take Bosa IMO.
No one? Anywhere? Interesting typo at NFL.com...
Player .................... Pos Ht. Wt. College Grade
Tunsil, Laremy ........ OT 6'5" 305 OleMiss 7.7
Jack, Myles .......... OLB 6'1" 245 UCLA ... 7.5
Buckner,DeForest .... DE 6'7" 281 Oregon 7.3
Elliott, Ezekiel .......... RB 6'0" 225 Ohio St. 7.2
Smith, Jaylon .......... OLB 6'3" 229 NotreD 7.1
Ramsey, Jalen ......... CB 6'1" 202 FSU .... 6.8
Bosa, Joey ............ DE 6'6" 275 Ohio St. 6.7
Goff, Jared ............ QB 6'4" 215 Californ 6.7
Stanley, Ronnie ..... OT 6'5" 304 NotreDm 6.7
Billings, Andrew ....... NT 6'2" 310 Baylor . 6.7
Hargreaves, Vern .... CB 5'11" 192 Florida 6.7
Not only is Bosa's rating the same as Goff's, Bosa is not the top DE on NFL.com's board.
Really looking forward to your next reply, Gip...
No one? Anywhere? Interesting typo at NFL.com...
Player .................... Pos Ht. Wt. College Grade
Tunsil, Laremy ........ OT 6'5" 305 OleMiss 7.7
Jack, Myles .......... OLB 6'1" 245 UCLA ... 7.5
Buckner,DeForest .... DE 6'7" 281 Oregon 7.3
Elliott, Ezekiel .......... RB 6'0" 225 Ohio St. 7.2
Smith, Jaylon .......... OLB 6'3" 229 NotreD 7.1
Ramsey, Jalen ......... CB 6'1" 202 FSU .... 6.8
Bosa, Joey ............ DE 6'6" 275 Ohio St. 6.7
Goff, Jared ............ QB 6'4" 215 Californ 6.7
Stanley, Ronnie ..... OT 6'5" 304 NotreDm 6.7
Billings, Andrew ....... NT 6'2" 310 Baylor . 6.7
Hargreaves, Vern .... CB 5'11" 192 Florida 6.7
Not only is Bosa's rating the same as Goff's, Bosa is not the top DE on NFL.com's board.
Really looking forward to your next reply, Gip...
You found the needle in the haystack....congratulations. Lets see what the consensus is
I believe on the WalterFootball database that Bosa is like the Top pick in 9 out of 10 mock drafts.
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No one? Anywhere? Interesting typo at NFL.com...
Player .................... Pos Ht. Wt. College Grade
Tunsil, Laremy ........ OT 6'5" 305 OleMiss 7.7
Jack, Myles .......... OLB 6'1" 245 UCLA ... 7.5
Buckner,DeForest .... DE 6'7" 281 Oregon 7.3
Elliott, Ezekiel .......... RB 6'0" 225 Ohio St. 7.2
Smith, Jaylon .......... OLB 6'3" 229 NotreD 7.1
Ramsey, Jalen ......... CB 6'1" 202 FSU .... 6.8
Bosa, Joey ............ DE 6'6" 275 Ohio St. 6.7
Goff, Jared ............ QB 6'4" 215 Californ 6.7
Stanley, Ronnie ..... OT 6'5" 304 NotreDm 6.7
Billings, Andrew ....... NT 6'2" 310 Baylor . 6.7
Hargreaves, Vern .... CB 5'11" 192 Florida 6.7
Not only is Bosa's rating the same as Goff's, Bosa is not the top DE on NFL.com's board.
Really looking forward to your next reply, Gip...
You found the needle in the haystack....congratulations. Lets see what the consensus is
I believe on the WalterFootball database that Bosa is like the Top pick in 9 out of 10 mock drafts.
You found the needle in the haystack....congratulations. Lets see what the consensus is
I believe on the WalterFootball database that Bosa is like the Top pick in 9 out of 10 mock drafts.
My guess is that goff is number two on most as well.
Anyway, if you check NFL.com and CBS, four out of five mock drafts have Laremy Tunsil going first and Goff second, with Bosa either third or fourth. So, if you're using mock drafts as your guide, I think you'll lose that. On big boards, both tend to be around top 5 from what I've seen.
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You found the needle in the haystack....congratulations. Lets see what the consensus is
I believe on the WalterFootball database that Bosa is like the Top pick in 9 out of 10 mock drafts.
My guess is that goff is number two on most as well.
Anyway, if you check NFL.com and CBS, four out of five mock drafts have Laremy Tunsil going first and Goff second, with Bosa either third or fourth. So, if you're using mock drafts as your guide, I think you'll lose that. On big boards, both tend to be around top 5 from what I've seen.
My guess is that goff is number two on most as well.
Anyway, if you check NFL.com and CBS, four out of five mock drafts have Laremy Tunsil going first and Goff second, with Bosa either third or fourth. So, if you're using mock drafts as your guide, I think you'll lose that. On big boards, both tend to be around top 5 from what I've seen.
Of course, the mock are predicting that each team will draft based on perceived need.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000551301/article/2016-nfl-draft-order-and-needs-for-every-team
NFL.com goes strictly by this perceived need apparently: They have the Tits needing an OT most....so they mock them taking an OT
They have the Browns needing a QB....so they mock the Browns taking a QB.....regardless of what the best player available is.
This is where I want to Browns to start getting smart: Go get the best talent, regardless of position. Then you might actually have a good team one day.
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I'm confused! Please enlighten me in my ignorance. I read comments, which make sense, saying take the best player available when it comes to our turn picking. But, supposing Goff and Bosa were both available still on second pick- how do you determine who to go for?
Nowhere on earth has anyone said the Goff is expected to be as good as Bosa. You take Bosa IMO.
They are both currently thought to be good players so how do you determine who is the better player when they play vastly different positions?
Is it therefore best to determine your need first and pick a player in that position if they are still available? To put it another way, it seems pretty clear that Manziel has let everyone down and should be traded. So at no2 pick we have determined we should pick a QB. Why wouldn't we pick a QB if there are 3 highly regarded QBs in this draft even though Bosa, Elliot and whoever else are still available?
Have Denver proved you don't need a great QB (any longer) to make the SB? In which case won't Josh and Connor be fine?
Sorry, I feel like I've gone around in circles there, but as I say I'm just confused.
Okay final question: are there some teams that always draft well and in which case why is this?
Better more astute scouting department. Browns have failed badly at this, clearly.
I'm confused! Please enlighten me in my ignorance. I read comments, which make sense, saying take the best player available when it comes to our turn picking. But, supposing Goff and Bosa were both available still on second pick- how do you determine who to go for?
Nowhere on earth has anyone said the Goff is expected to be as good as Bosa. You take Bosa IMO.
IMO you still take Goff (or Wentz) at #2 if you believe he is franchise QB material, even if Bosa is the next JJ Watt. The last thing I'd ever want the Browns to be is like the Houston Texans. They're going to be stuck in limbo until they get their franchise QB. Just good enough to squeak into the playoffs occasionally, but not good enough to win in the playoffs.
QB is the most important position in all of team sports. Every team in the conference championships had a franchise QB. For that reason, we must get the QB position sorted out before all else. Hype is building on Wentz, so I hope by draft time Goff and Wentz are considered top-ten prospects so even if someone hops the browns for a QB we'll still get a good one.
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I'm confused! Please enlighten me in my ignorance. I read comments, which make sense, saying take the best player available when it comes to our turn picking. But, supposing Goff and Bosa were both available still on second pick- how do you determine who to go for?
Nowhere on earth has anyone said the Goff is expected to be as good as Bosa. You take Bosa IMO.
IMO you still take Goff (or Wentz) at #2 if you believe he is franchise QB material, even if Bosa is the next JJ Watt. The last thing I'd ever want the Browns to be is like the Houston Texans. They're going to be stuck in limbo until they get their franchise QB. Just good enough to squeak into the playoffs occasionally, but not good enough to win in the playoffs.
QB is the most important position in all of team sports. Every team in the conference championships had a franchise QB. For that reason, we must get the QB position sorted out before all else. Hype is building on Wentz, so I hope by draft time Goff and Wentz are considered top-ten prospects so even if someone hops the browns for a QB we'll still get a good one.
The last thing I'd ever want the Browns to be is like the Houston Texans.
I agree....I would totally hate for the Browns to go to the playoffs. Would utterly "LOATHE" having a good defense with an interior lineman that can get over 20 sacks a year. Would despise watching that guy kill Ben Roethlisberger twice a year. Just hate it all around.......totally agree.
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The last thing I'd ever want the Browns to be is like the Houston Texans.
I agree....I would totally hate for the Browns to go to the playoffs. Would utterly "LOATHE" having a good defense with an interior lineman that can get over 20 sacks a year. Would despise watching that guy kill Ben Roethlisberger twice a year. Just hate it all around.......totally agree.
I agree....I would totally hate for the Browns to go to the playoffs. Would utterly "LOATHE" having a good defense with an interior lineman that can get over 20 sacks a year. Would despise watching that guy kill Ben Roethlisberger twice a year. Just hate it all around.......totally agree.
If a guy is getting 20 sacks per year, then great, love it. But that still means he's getting a sack a little over once per game. On 60 or so plays, only one sack. Add tackles for loss, sure, but a QB directly influences the outcome on every play.
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I'm confused! Please enlighten me in my ignorance. I read comments, which make sense, saying take the best player available when it comes to our turn picking. But, supposing Goff and Bosa were both available still on second pick- how do you determine who to go for?
Nowhere on earth has anyone said the Goff is expected to be as good as Bosa. You take Bosa IMO.
IMO you still take Goff (or Wentz) at #2 if you believe he is franchise QB material, even if Bosa is the next JJ Watt. The last thing I'd ever want the Browns to be is like the Houston Texans. They're going to be stuck in limbo until they get their franchise QB. Just good enough to squeak into the playoffs occasionally, but not good enough to win in the playoffs.
QB is the most important position in all of team sports. Every team in the conference championships had a franchise QB. For that reason, we must get the QB position sorted out before all else. Hype is building on Wentz, so I hope by draft time Goff and Wentz are considered top-ten prospects so even if someone hops the browns for a QB we'll still get a good one.
IMO you still take Goff (or Wentz) at #2 if you believe he is franchise QB material, even if Bosa is the next JJ Watt.
Well....there is the rub. I am skeptical if he is "franchise QB material".
The last thing I'd ever want the Browns to be is like the Houston Texans. They're going to be stuck in limbo until they get their franchise QB. Just good enough to squeak into the playoffs occasionally, but not good enough to win in the playoffs.
Well, I would take that at this point over having another set of Brady Quinns, Brandon Weedens, Johhny Manziels on our hands...which we could have with this bunch.
QB is the most important position in all of team sports. Every team in the conference championships had a franchise QB. For that reason, we must get the QB position sorted out before all else. Hype is building on Wentz, so I hope by draft time Goff and Wentz are considered top-ten prospects so even if someone hops the browns for a QB we'll still get a good one.
Sure.....but desperation and overreaching for a QB is NOT the way to go in my opinion, that just sets you back further......and the hype for the guys you are talking about could just be that....hype.
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IMO you still take Goff (or Wentz) at #2 if you believe he is franchise QB material, even if Bosa is the next JJ Watt.
Well....there is the rub. I am skeptical if he is "franchise QB material".
The last thing I'd ever want the Browns to be is like the Houston Texans. They're going to be stuck in limbo until they get their franchise QB. Just good enough to squeak into the playoffs occasionally, but not good enough to win in the playoffs.
Well, I would take that at this point over having another set of Brady Quinns, Brandon Weedens, Johhny Manziels on our hands...which we could have with this bunch.
QB is the most important position in all of team sports. Every team in the conference championships had a franchise QB. For that reason, we must get the QB position sorted out before all else. Hype is building on Wentz, so I hope by draft time Goff and Wentz are considered top-ten prospects so even if someone hops the browns for a QB we'll still get a good one.
Sure.....but desperation and overreaching for a QB is NOT the way to go in my opinion, that just sets you back further......and the hype for the guys you are talking about could just be that....hype.
IMO you still take Goff (or Wentz) at #2 if you believe he is franchise QB material, even if Bosa is the next JJ Watt.
Well....there is the rub. I am skeptical if he is "franchise QB material".
The last thing I'd ever want the Browns to be is like the Houston Texans. They're going to be stuck in limbo until they get their franchise QB. Just good enough to squeak into the playoffs occasionally, but not good enough to win in the playoffs.
Well, I would take that at this point over having another set of Brady Quinns, Brandon Weedens, Johhny Manziels on our hands...which we could have with this bunch.
QB is the most important position in all of team sports. Every team in the conference championships had a franchise QB. For that reason, we must get the QB position sorted out before all else. Hype is building on Wentz, so I hope by draft time Goff and Wentz are considered top-ten prospects so even if someone hops the browns for a QB we'll still get a good one.
Sure.....but desperation and overreaching for a QB is NOT the way to go in my opinion, that just sets you back further......and the hype for the guys you are talking about could just be that....hype.
I agree we need to go with BPA regardless of position and that is neither Goff nor Wentz. But if we go with the QB reach, we will likely end up next year pretty near the top of the draft again since I think neither is NFL ready and our D still has no true pass rusher to improve the team. So we get the pass rusher next year unless we are lucky enough to find one at #32 overall or trade up to get one. Worst possible outcome is if this coaching staff pulls out a couple of games somehow and puts us out of the top 10 next year with still no true pass rusher to make our D function the way it should.
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IMO you still take Goff (or Wentz) at #2 if you believe he is franchise QB material, even if Bosa is the next JJ Watt.
Well....there is the rub. I am skeptical if he is "franchise QB material".
The last thing I'd ever want the Browns to be is like the Houston Texans. They're going to be stuck in limbo until they get their franchise QB. Just good enough to squeak into the playoffs occasionally, but not good enough to win in the playoffs.
Well, I would take that at this point over having another set of Brady Quinns, Brandon Weedens, Johhny Manziels on our hands...which we could have with this bunch.
QB is the most important position in all of team sports. Every team in the conference championships had a franchise QB. For that reason, we must get the QB position sorted out before all else. Hype is building on Wentz, so I hope by draft time Goff and Wentz are considered top-ten prospects so even if someone hops the browns for a QB we'll still get a good one.
Sure.....but desperation and overreaching for a QB is NOT the way to go in my opinion, that just sets you back further......and the hype for the guys you are talking about could just be that....hype.
I agree we need to go with BPA regardless of position and that is neither Goff nor Wentz. But if we go with the QB reach, we will likely end up next year pretty near the top of the draft again since I think neither is NFL ready and our D still has no true pass rusher to improve the team. So we get the pass rusher next year unless we are lucky enough to find one at #32 overall or trade up to get one. Worst possible outcome is if this coaching staff pulls out a couple of games somehow and puts us out of the top 10 next year with still no true pass rusher to make our D function the way it should.
I agree we need to go with BPA regardless of position and that is neither Goff nor Wentz. But if we go with the QB reach, we will likely end up next year pretty near the top of the draft again since I think neither is NFL ready and our D still has no true pass rusher to improve the team. So we get the pass rusher next year unless we are lucky enough to find one at #32 overall or trade up to get one. Worst possible outcome is if this coaching staff pulls out a couple of games somehow and puts us out of the top 10 next year with still no true pass rusher to make our D function the way it should.
Yeah it would be a real shitty thing if we aren't picking in the top ten next year.
/sarcasm
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