Rosterology
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McCown.
It's going to be McCown this year too IMO. He's a keeper that's for sure and obviously not the long term answer.
Austin Davis.
Dead on I laughed.
Manziel.
Drinks away from Canadian football.
It's going to be an interesting off season that's for sure and I can see another vet qb coming in.
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McCown.
It's going to be McCown this year too IMO. He's a keeper that's for sure and obviously not the long term answer.
Austin Davis.
Dead on I laughed.
Manziel.
Drinks away from Canadian football.
It's going to be an interesting off season that's for sure and I can see another vet qb coming in.
One Post From the Truth said:
McCown.
It's going to be McCown this year too IMO. He's a keeper that's for sure and obviously not the long term answer.
Austin Davis.
Dead on I laughed.
Manziel.
Drinks away from Canadian football.
It's going to be an interesting off season that's for sure and I can see another vet qb coming in.
Thanks for the feedback! You might be right about another vet QB coming in. Every now and then Cleveland brings in an older QB like McCown or Don Strock (in between tee times) and they just give us a reliability not many saw coming. Hey, we'll take it.
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GREAT stuff, Mr. Flugels ! lol
The Browns have a far better core of strength players than most think,
or I believe Hue would have taken another head coaching job.
Who wants to be immediately set up to fail for three years?
Stupid drafting doesn't help them, either.
This next draft is going to rock more interestingly than ever since '99.
HUE GOTTA BELIEVE !
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Tom the only one I disagree with you about is Gordon. If he's managed to stay clean for a year- he deserves a final shot. He's cheap, and we certainly can't trust him. I'm not ready to send league leading wr yards away for a song.
Tom the only one I disagree with you about is Gordon. If he's managed to stay clean for a year- he deserves a final shot. He's cheap, and we certainly can't trust him. I'm not ready to send league leading wr yards away for a song.
I respect your opinion Larry. I certainly didn't get to my opinion until I had seen too much evidence that we can't ever get this guy on the field regardless of excuses an alibis. You know that fool me once, fool me twice thing? I even gave him an extra one of those after he couldn't get that right in college either my man. Therefore, my pov is we wouldn't be sending a league leading WR packing - just the memory of that from 3 calendar years ago. We would be looking for exchange value for a guy we haven't been able to get on the field, which helps us bury such a distraction.
Even worse, the next time he messes up whether it's just 1 or 2 beers again or being with the wrong company as usual - his career goes into permanent park. This league leader you speak of dates all the way back to 2013 (as we head to 2016), which was about the last time Dwayne Bowe was relevant. In 2014, the version of Josh Gordon I saw showed up not caring enough to know the playbook or getting to team meetings on time after vowing we would see the best of Josh Gordon when he got his next opportunity. A team that was 7-4 (after his first game back) ended up finishing 7-9 with 5 consecutive losses. Actions speak louder than words to the extent he's turned down 7 figure salaries to continue to hang out with the wrong company.
My take is Jerry Jones has the God complex with the mindset that fans in Texas welcome their former college heroes to be the most interested owner in a package of Manziel and Gordon. He's taken in a lot of party animals over the years dating back to the Cocaine Cowboys by showing everyone his inventory of Superbowl rings when they question his decisions about character within. My guess is the reason Manziel wasn't already sent packing isn't because the intellect we now have in the front office think this time he's REALLY going to prioritize football. I think they feel they can put together a package deal that Jerry just won't be able to say no to which does 3 things for us on draft day:
1) Keeps him from trading up ahead of us for the QB we want.
2) Gets us some additional picks on players that will be more willing to prioritize their NFL opportunity than Manziel and Gordon have been willing to thus far (addition by subtraction plus addition of draft picks).
3) We can finally stop holding the idea of drafting help at WR hostage to the stale idea of "yeah but we already have Josh Gordon."
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Let me get a temporary depth chart which is very subject to change with a new offense and hybrid/multiple fronts ahead on defense. I currently have a lousy backup situation at both offensive tackle spots and it was tough to project placement for front 7 guys so I invite participation here folks:
Offense:
WR - Benjamin, Gabriel, Draftee
RT - Schwartz,
RG - Greco, Pazstor, Erving
C - Mack, Greco, Erving
LG - Bitonio, Pazstor, Erving
LT - Thomas
TE - Barnidge, Bibbs
WR - Hartline, Pryor
H-back - Bibbs, Dray or Slot Receiver - Hawkins/Gabriel, Draftee
RB - Crowell, Johnson
QB - McCown, Draftee, Shaw
Defense:
SS - Whitner, Campbell, Bademosi (seems cozier than asking him to cover a #1 or #2 WR and he's a very good tackler IMO)
FS - Gipson, Poyer
LCB - Haden, K. Williams, Gaines
RCB - T. Williams, Ekpre-Olomu, Desir
CB#3 - K. Williams, Gaines, Bademosi (if we're still forcing the corner thing - Anthony Henry's only good memories as a CB were in this role)
OLB - Kruger, A.Bryant
OLB - Orchard, A. Bryant
ILB - Dansby, Kirksey
ILB - Robertson, Kirksey
RDT/5 Tech - D. Bryant, Hughes
NT - Shelton, Meder, Starks
LDT/5 Tech - Cooper, Starks
Special Teams:
PK - Coons
P- Lee
Punt Return - Benjamin
Kickoff Return - Mostert
Long Snapper - Hughley
Clearly we ranked with anchors on defense but some of you guys are really good at projecting guys for roles in different fronts so let's have some fun and let er rip...
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Don't be a Settler & move on from cable & upgrade to direct tv. No wonder jimmy hired a analytics firm to get $$$/talent figured out. Aged under outrageous contracts imo. Starks ($ for nothing & wiffs & flags for free). Kruger, T. Williams, Whitner & Bow$. Paid Top Draft Picks in Manziel, Gilbert, Erving. Ready to move on short list would include Poyer or Bademosi, Hughes, Robertson, Mingo & A. Bryant. Dray, Hawk nor Gabe were no better than Darius Jennings imo.
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
No way in hell are you keeping 45 guys from a 3 & 13 team."You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978
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Don't be a Settler & move on from cable & upgrade to direct tv. No wonder jimmy hired a analytics firm to get $$$/talent figured out. Aged under outrageous contracts imo. Starks ($ for nothing & wiffs & flags for free). Kruger, T. Williams, Whitner & Bow$. Paid Top Draft Picks in Manziel, Gilbert, Erving. Ready to move on short list would include Poyer or Bademosi, Hughes, Robertson, Mingo & A. Bryant. Dray, Hawk nor Gabe were no better than Darius Jennings imo.
Don't be a Settler & move on from cable & upgrade to direct tv. No wonder jimmy hired a analytics firm to get $$$/talent figured out. Aged under outrageous contracts imo. Starks ($ for nothing & wiffs & flags for free). Kruger, T. Williams, Whitner & Bow$. Paid Top Draft Picks in Manziel, Gilbert, Erving. Ready to move on short list would include Poyer or Bademosi, Hughes, Robertson, Mingo & A. Bryant. Dray, Hawk nor Gabe were no better than Darius Jennings imo.
God bless ya! That gets an A for style points even if it's at my expense Gumby. I could be wrong but I think a lot of your ideas work themselves out in the near future but not quite as early as doing it all overnight. Some could even take place during the season or at least w/ demotions where warranted leading us to where Kruger looks to be at this point.
I also disagree with you about Robertson. Nobody showed more progress on that defense in 2014 than him while he's always been real good on STs. And for a team in the news for 2 knuckleheads getting arrested in between all of the Manziel media drama were sick of - Robertson sports some leadership qualities for younger players both on and off the field. IMO, a 3-13 football team isn't good enough to cut a Pro Bowl player from the roster because our secondary was so injury depleted we had to trial and error this undrafted player (paid accordingly I might add) out of position where he clearly does not belong. Bademosi would probably only play Safety in other situations or for a different staff. I wish everyone had his heart. Also, try to keep in mind how many people didn't even have Benjamin making this team last summer before he was finally ready to change minds mentally and physically.
Stay tuned...
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No way in hell are you keeping 45 guys from a 3 & 13 team.
No way in hell are you keeping 45 guys from a 3 & 13 team.
Rich, try to keep in mind the context and purpose of this somewhat here. We haven't even had the draft or seen what vets are gone or will stay so it's pretty tough to cut guys that were in our starting rotation from last year prior to setting our offseason/preseason roster for 2016. I listed a number of guys knowing full well we're prolly not keeping all of our UFAs that made my list of guys. I also did an either/or with our 2 knee high WRs.
The purpose of this is to have some fun as a fan projecting what stays and what needs the most help. When we put an offseason depth chart down on paper - it's usually easier to spot the areas that need the most help. You don't need me to tell your our offseason/preseason depth charts are usually twice the size of the one I provided - do you? You also shouldn't need me to remind you how many starters/rotation fill-ins either missed games to injuries or concussions. I couldn't even get 2 deep at OT so I'd definitely like to see what others can add to this. If we get too worried about making a mistake or sharing an unpopular opinion - we deprive ourselves of one of the main reasons we're here. To shoot the shit about our team. Nobody will do worse than Farmer (and he got paid 6 or 7 figures) so the pressure is off.
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I think Jimmy landing Hue was gigantic in possibly helping us keep some vets that were on the fence about staying while he can also attract some veteran FAs that would not have otherwise been interested. Without knowing who we stand to lose in free agency - I'm hoping we can keep the following players to build on in 2016:
J. McCown - The QB position was the least of all our worries when he started.
T. Benjamin - We've always wanted a mid-late round draft investment where after 3-4 years of coaching and experience - he has you enjoying the return value. Speaking of return value, he's given our special teams quite a bit of that over the years. BABOOMBA!
G. Barnidge - Don't I feel like an epic Dumb Ass for not being able to see the type of production he had in store for us in 2015.
J. Thomas - 9 consecutive Pro Bowls on the blind side of passer. We went 10-6 in his rookie year after upgrading our left side of the line from Kevin Shaffer and Joe Andruzzi to Joe Thomas and Eric Steinbach. How's that for a powerful first impression?
J. Bitonio - The first company Joe Thomas has had on the left side since Steinbach went under the knife. I liked his first impression too in 2014.
M. Schwartz - He's always been an underrated run blocker while it was never his fault it was tough to run inside of tackle before Greco had a career best season in 2014. Teammates call him Oracle showing great respect for his preparation and football IQ.
J. Greco - I read he lost about 23 lbs in the off season leading up to our 7-4 start in 2014. He didn't look quite as good in 2015 but he, of all people, should know the reasons were.
A. Mack - He's got 2-3 Pro Bowls on the resume now so we could do a lot worse such as our memories of life after Alex in 2014 perhaps. Does bringing Hue Jackson here plus adding 2 guys from Harvard to our front office change his outlook about who he's putting it on the line for?
C. Erving - With some degree of reluctance, I have to give him 1 more year. I'm just not sure we can correct his leverage issues vrs many of the powerful/stout frames he will face. Joe Thomas doesn't seem to think we need to panic about him so let's see what the experience and off season conditioning does to better this story.
Duke Johnson - Think of the excitement Flip has already tapped from this kid plus what Hue Jackson has gotten out of a guy like Gio Bernard. Worst case scenario he's got the 3rd down Mr Magic ability of Herman Fontenot (but he's a little more of a threat running the ball as well).
I. Crowell - There was a 6-7 week stretch where he averaged 5.4 yards per carry as a rookie RB in 2014. It made it pretty easy to pronounce his first name "I SAY YEAH." He had somewhat of a soph slump but not enough to worry about.
R. Mostert - This former Purdue RB looked like he added a little spark to our return game. Looked like he's got some keeper skills for STs at least.
T. Pryor - Kind of strange we didn't keep this guy only to add him with 3 weeks to go. It would have been nice to get him a full season of experience playing WR even if most of it was just practice reps.
J. Dray - Inexplicably went from sure handed in 2014 to sporting an occasional rock quarry in 2015. Good blocker.
EJ Bibbs - Kind of surprised we didn't see more of this kid. While Barnidge is emerging as our Winslow - this guy can be our Steve Heiden.
A. Pasztor - I was very pleasantly surprised at how well he filled in. This guy is a keeper with upside ahead.
B. Hartline - Experienced veteran we can line up inside or outside.
T. Gabriel/A. Hawkins - I don't want to keep both of these but I'd settle for 1 of them at least at this time. Both guys work really hard but they're just too small to get excited about. One of them is a knee-high slot receiver that gives our QB the task of throwing slant passes downward. The other hasn't been the same since that DB gave him post traumatic stress syndrome following that violent collision on the bubble screen. How many TDs have these guys combined for in 2 years? Keep 1 and upgrade the other.
C. Shaw - Very likable kid with a good football IQ as well as great ability to escape pressure. His last year in the SEC - he had a killer good TD-INT ratio that was something like 24:1. I remember Brian Sipe wasn't immediate but when we kept him around long enough - he had an MVP caliber season in him reminding us that was a great idea. Shaw can at least be a good idea.
T. Coons - When his kicks weren't blocked - he was pretty freakin reliable especially considering he was only a rookie. I wasted a lot of time worrying about the place kicker position last off season.
A. Lee - Another reliable foot for our STs. We're in good hands, I mean feet, I mean....
C. Hughlett - Long Snapper. That felt like I was missing words. Long Rattler power-drills Hot Snapper. Okay
J. Haden - Looking forward to seeing him healthy again. Hard to argue with how reliable he's been prior to 2015.
T. Gipson - Would love to keep this formerly undrafted FA. Maybe the departure of the front office he felt didn't respect his value gives us a chance for him to reconsider any previous resentment? Maybe?
T. Williams - If we can get a pass rush quicker than 30 Mississippi - he might not look his age out there.
K.Williams - He has displayed some pretty good cover skills especially considering he was undrafted. I wish he was a little more durable though.
C. Gaines - He was better than I thought he'd be. It'll be nice to see what he looks like with a year under his belt.
I. Campbell - I liked him in limited observation.
I. Ekpre-Olomu - Can't wait to see this kid.
D. Whitner - While I wasn't thrilled with him last year - he was still leading us in tackles before he got injured.
J. Poyer - Reliable depth at Safety.
P. Desir - This kid went from looking like he was improving to an audition cut short. Hard to learn from the mistakes of inexperience especially if one isn't given the chance to right?
J. Bademosi - He may not be one of my favorite DBs to see out there defending the pass; but he made the Pro Bowl as a gunner on STs. That says enough about the inner chest of this undrafted kid.
D. Shelton - I'm still excited about this guy believe it or not. He just needs to get his pad height down more consistently. Totally doable.
R. Starks - Despite some crack pipe decisions at the worst of times, this guy looks like he can give us some valuable reps in rotation.
J. Hughes III - Prior to 2015 I thought he was easily the best 2 gap player on our defensive line. I didn't get a very good read on him in 2015 to be honest so I'll stick with my gut. That said, the acro for Flugel's Abs is FLABS.
J. Meder - This former Ashland Eagle gives us quality reps and hurried some passers. Very pleasant surprise to me at least.
C. Robertson - Had a strong close filling in for Dansby in 2014 and he wasn'tbad in 2015.
K. Dansby - He scored on 2 different INTs reminding me what ideal first step instinct can do for a guy especially in hook zones.
D. Bryant - Not that this means much but Jimmy O'Neil said he had a great season.
A. Bryant - Made a nice recovery from his injury and brought some heat off the edge. I just hope that arrest late in the year isn't a bad sign about what's ahead.
X. Cooper - I think this guy is going to become what we want him to be once he gets enough reps and NFL strength and conditioning under his belt.
N. Orchard - Showed some real good signs like staying home and not biting on the fake that often sucked our edge in on the other side. And how about this? He's a pretty good tackler.
C. Kirksey - I'd like to see more consistency out of him. Then again, that goes for a lot of guys on our defense. It would be interesting to see if he's a better fit in the defense on deck.
P. Kruger - Wasn't very happy with him in 2015 but the front office we've been sentenced to hasn't left us any experienced alternatives.
This is my "Don't let the Door Hit Ya in the Ass on the way out" group:
Josh Gordon - The idea of him is way better than the reality folks. He was on 2 or 3 different college teams but got on the field for only pone of them. He has been with us for 4 years and suspended for significant parts of 3 of those seasons. If people are thinking he only had 1 or 2 beers the last time - is it possible to still have alcohol in one's urine 24 hours after consuming only 2 beers? Let's say I got that wrong even, he still put himself exactly where he couldn't afford to be if football was really the priority he keeps telling us it is. What gives anyone the confidence he's finally going to get it? The sad thing about this is I never got the impression he was a bad kid or an unlikable kid. He just isn't very smart and the brother he's close to loves to party. He had 3 strikes in college and at least 3 strikes in Cleveland. 1 more strike puts his career in long term park. Why not get something in return by sweetening the Jerry Jones package to include Gordon with Manziel?
Bark Mingo - He never looked compatible with Horton's plans the first time so I don't see it changing. Even worse, Horton's memories of him playing through a separated shoulder includes a lot of bad tackling. Joe Banner thought he was drafting us Jamie Collins and we ended up with tackles like Joan Collins. I liked his motor and saw some good coverage skills. Seemed like a nice kid too. Maybe he just needs a better situation than Cleveland had.
Justin Gilbert - When his previous coaches bashed his attitude and work ethic while plenty of college film showed a guy that didn't like to tackle people - THANK GOD WE'RE ADDING 2 HARVARD INTELLECTS TO OUR FRONT OFFICE.
Johnny Blutarsky-Manziel - Party on kid.
Austin Davis - This guy looked dumber than a box of rocks when there was a time urgency factor at the end of the half and end of the game. Who was the goof ball that thought this unemployed QB was the answer to all our prayers? I found the id ten t form for that squid and it looks like this: ID10T.
Dwayne Bowe - Cut his ass and pick up a guy like Lenz that would be happy to play at NFL minimum wage.
Tank Carder - He's a dime a dozen that didn't appear to make his move to more playing time.
I think Jimmy landing Hue was gigantic in possibly helping us keep some vets that were on the fence about staying while he can also attract some veteran FAs that would not have otherwise been interested. Without knowing who we stand to lose in free agency - I'm hoping we can keep the following players to build on in 2016:
J. McCown - The QB position was the least of all our worries when he started.
T. Benjamin - We've always wanted a mid-late round draft investment where after 3-4 years of coaching and experience - he has you enjoying the return value. Speaking of return value, he's given our special teams quite a bit of that over the years. BABOOMBA!
G. Barnidge - Don't I feel like an epic Dumb Ass for not being able to see the type of production he had in store for us in 2015.
J. Thomas - 9 consecutive Pro Bowls on the blind side of passer. We went 10-6 in his rookie year after upgrading our left side of the line from Kevin Shaffer and Joe Andruzzi to Joe Thomas and Eric Steinbach. How's that for a powerful first impression?
J. Bitonio - The first company Joe Thomas has had on the left side since Steinbach went under the knife. I liked his first impression too in 2014.
M. Schwartz - He's always been an underrated run blocker while it was never his fault it was tough to run inside of tackle before Greco had a career best season in 2014. Teammates call him Oracle showing great respect for his preparation and football IQ.
J. Greco - I read he lost about 23 lbs in the off season leading up to our 7-4 start in 2014. He didn't look quite as good in 2015 but he, of all people, should know the reasons were.
A. Mack - He's got 2-3 Pro Bowls on the resume now so we could do a lot worse such as our memories of life after Alex in 2014 perhaps. Does bringing Hue Jackson here plus adding 2 guys from Harvard to our front office change his outlook about who he's putting it on the line for?
C. Erving - With some degree of reluctance, I have to give him 1 more year. I'm just not sure we can correct his leverage issues vrs many of the powerful/stout frames he will face. Joe Thomas doesn't seem to think we need to panic about him so let's see what the experience and off season conditioning does to better this story.
Duke Johnson - Think of the excitement Flip has already tapped from this kid plus what Hue Jackson has gotten out of a guy like Gio Bernard. Worst case scenario he's got the 3rd down Mr Magic ability of Herman Fontenot (but he's a little more of a threat running the ball as well).
I. Crowell - There was a 6-7 week stretch where he averaged 5.4 yards per carry as a rookie RB in 2014. It made it pretty easy to pronounce his first name "I SAY YEAH." He had somewhat of a soph slump but not enough to worry about.
R. Mostert - This former Purdue RB looked like he added a little spark to our return game. Looked like he's got some keeper skills for STs at least.
T. Pryor - Kind of strange we didn't keep this guy only to add him with 3 weeks to go. It would have been nice to get him a full season of experience playing WR even if most of it was just practice reps.
J. Dray - Inexplicably went from sure handed in 2014 to sporting an occasional rock quarry in 2015. Good blocker.
EJ Bibbs - Kind of surprised we didn't see more of this kid. While Barnidge is emerging as our Winslow - this guy can be our Steve Heiden.
A. Pasztor - I was very pleasantly surprised at how well he filled in. This guy is a keeper with upside ahead.
B. Hartline - Experienced veteran we can line up inside or outside.
T. Gabriel/A. Hawkins - I don't want to keep both of these but I'd settle for 1 of them at least at this time. Both guys work really hard but they're just too small to get excited about. One of them is a knee-high slot receiver that gives our QB the task of throwing slant passes downward. The other hasn't been the same since that DB gave him post traumatic stress syndrome following that violent collision on the bubble screen. How many TDs have these guys combined for in 2 years? Keep 1 and upgrade the other.
C. Shaw - Very likable kid with a good football IQ as well as great ability to escape pressure. His last year in the SEC - he had a killer good TD-INT ratio that was something like 24:1. I remember Brian Sipe wasn't immediate but when we kept him around long enough - he had an MVP caliber season in him reminding us that was a great idea. Shaw can at least be a good idea.
T. Coons - When his kicks weren't blocked - he was pretty freakin reliable especially considering he was only a rookie. I wasted a lot of time worrying about the place kicker position last off season.
A. Lee - Another reliable foot for our STs. We're in good hands, I mean feet, I mean....
C. Hughlett - Long Snapper. That felt like I was missing words. Long Rattler power-drills Hot Snapper. Okay
J. Haden - Looking forward to seeing him healthy again. Hard to argue with how reliable he's been prior to 2015.
T. Gipson - Would love to keep this formerly undrafted FA. Maybe the departure of the front office he felt didn't respect his value gives us a chance for him to reconsider any previous resentment? Maybe?
T. Williams - If we can get a pass rush quicker than 30 Mississippi - he might not look his age out there.
K.Williams - He has displayed some pretty good cover skills especially considering he was undrafted. I wish he was a little more durable though.
C. Gaines - He was better than I thought he'd be. It'll be nice to see what he looks like with a year under his belt.
I. Campbell - I liked him in limited observation.
I. Ekpre-Olomu - Can't wait to see this kid.
D. Whitner - While I wasn't thrilled with him last year - he was still leading us in tackles before he got injured.
J. Poyer - Reliable depth at Safety.
P. Desir - This kid went from looking like he was improving to an audition cut short. Hard to learn from the mistakes of inexperience especially if one isn't given the chance to right?
J. Bademosi - He may not be one of my favorite DBs to see out there defending the pass; but he made the Pro Bowl as a gunner on STs. That says enough about the inner chest of this undrafted kid.
D. Shelton - I'm still excited about this guy believe it or not. He just needs to get his pad height down more consistently. Totally doable.
R. Starks - Despite some crack pipe decisions at the worst of times, this guy looks like he can give us some valuable reps in rotation.
J. Hughes III - Prior to 2015 I thought he was easily the best 2 gap player on our defensive line. I didn't get a very good read on him in 2015 to be honest so I'll stick with my gut. That said, the acro for Flugel's Abs is FLABS.
J. Meder - This former Ashland Eagle gives us quality reps and hurried some passers. Very pleasant surprise to me at least.
C. Robertson - Had a strong close filling in for Dansby in 2014 and he wasn'tbad in 2015.
K. Dansby - He scored on 2 different INTs reminding me what ideal first step instinct can do for a guy especially in hook zones.
D. Bryant - Not that this means much but Jimmy O'Neil said he had a great season.
A. Bryant - Made a nice recovery from his injury and brought some heat off the edge. I just hope that arrest late in the year isn't a bad sign about what's ahead.
X. Cooper - I think this guy is going to become what we want him to be once he gets enough reps and NFL strength and conditioning under his belt.
N. Orchard - Showed some real good signs like staying home and not biting on the fake that often sucked our edge in on the other side. And how about this? He's a pretty good tackler.
C. Kirksey - I'd like to see more consistency out of him. Then again, that goes for a lot of guys on our defense. It would be interesting to see if he's a better fit in the defense on deck.
P. Kruger - Wasn't very happy with him in 2015 but the front office we've been sentenced to hasn't left us any experienced alternatives.
This is my "Don't let the Door Hit Ya in the Ass on the way out" group:
Josh Gordon - The idea of him is way better than the reality folks. He was on 2 or 3 different college teams but got on the field for only pone of them. He has been with us for 4 years and suspended for significant parts of 3 of those seasons. If people are thinking he only had 1 or 2 beers the last time - is it possible to still have alcohol in one's urine 24 hours after consuming only 2 beers? Let's say I got that wrong even, he still put himself exactly where he couldn't afford to be if football was really the priority he keeps telling us it is. What gives anyone the confidence he's finally going to get it? The sad thing about this is I never got the impression he was a bad kid or an unlikable kid. He just isn't very smart and the brother he's close to loves to party. He had 3 strikes in college and at least 3 strikes in Cleveland. 1 more strike puts his career in long term park. Why not get something in return by sweetening the Jerry Jones package to include Gordon with Manziel?
Bark Mingo - He never looked compatible with Horton's plans the first time so I don't see it changing. Even worse, Horton's memories of him playing through a separated shoulder includes a lot of bad tackling. Joe Banner thought he was drafting us Jamie Collins and we ended up with tackles like Joan Collins. I liked his motor and saw some good coverage skills. Seemed like a nice kid too. Maybe he just needs a better situation than Cleveland had.
Justin Gilbert - When his previous coaches bashed his attitude and work ethic while plenty of college film showed a guy that didn't like to tackle people - THANK GOD WE'RE ADDING 2 HARVARD INTELLECTS TO OUR FRONT OFFICE.
Johnny Blutarsky-Manziel - Party on kid.
Austin Davis - This guy looked dumber than a box of rocks when there was a time urgency factor at the end of the half and end of the game. Who was the goof ball that thought this unemployed QB was the answer to all our prayers? I found the id ten t form for that squid and it looks like this: ID10T.
Dwayne Bowe - Cut his ass and pick up a guy like Lenz that would be happy to play at NFL minimum wage.
Tank Carder - He's a dime a dozen that didn't appear to make his move to more playing time.
I agree. We can't totally turn the roster over in one year, so next year, if we make good additions this off season, some of the guys who barely make the roster this year will be upgraded. I also believe that different utilization of players, particularly on defense, will help in appraisals.
Good thread Tom.
Mike
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Rosterology?
Oh roster.
Rosterology?
Oh roster.You saw my screen name and the first thing that came to your mind was Dyslexic Shakespeare. God bless ya Mr Me-Aggie!
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Rosterology?
Oh roster.You saw my screen name and the first thing that came to your mind was Dyslexic Shakespeare. God bless ya Mr Me-Aggie!
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Johnny on. Johnny off. Johnny on. Johnny off.Wax on. Wax off. Wax on. Wax off.
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Don't be a Settler & move on from cable & upgrade to direct tv. No wonder jimmy hired a analytics firm to get $$$/talent figured out. Aged under outrageous contracts imo. Starks ($ for nothing & wiffs & flags for free). Kruger, T. Williams, Whitner & Bow$. Paid Top Draft Picks in Manziel, Gilbert, Erving. Ready to move on short list would include Poyer or Bademosi, Hughes, Robertson, Mingo & A. Bryant. Dray, Hawk nor Gabe were no better than Darius Jennings imo.
You could easily add Dansby to the list. Although more than serviceable the price tag is way too high. But hey the Browns had cap money and Dansby isn't a dummy.Don't be a Settler & move on from cable & upgrade to direct tv. No wonder jimmy hired a analytics firm to get $$$/talent figured out. Aged under outrageous contracts imo. Starks ($ for nothing & wiffs & flags for free). Kruger, T. Williams, Whitner & Bow$. Paid Top Draft Picks in Manziel, Gilbert, Erving. Ready to move on short list would include Poyer or Bademosi, Hughes, Robertson, Mingo & A. Bryant. Dray, Hawk nor Gabe were no better than Darius Jennings imo.
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None of the non-OL are even serviceable as a blocker today. TE/FB/HB all need serious upgrades.
Starks is terrible. Is Mingo fast enough for ST/ backup SS duty?
Gordon could be useful if serious.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Thanks for the invite, Flugs... Offense first.
- I'm in on Gordon and his return to #1 WR status. Don't see Pryor working out. Gabe feels vulnerable.
- Dray had an off year; can bounce back, but is no H-back.
- I think Mack and Schwartz are gone. Reason for Mack is obvious. I think Schwartz will be too expensive for an OT with suspect LT potential.
- Erving to RT feels like the path of least resistance to him contributing.
WR - Gordon, Benjamin, Gabriel, Draftee
RT - Schwartz, Erving, PS/UFA
RG - Greco, Draftee/UDFA
C - Mack, Draftee, Greco
LG - Bitonio, Pazstor,
LT - Thomas
TE - Barnidge, Dray, Bibbs
WR - Draftee, Hartline, Pryor
H-back - UDFA/UFA, Bibbs, Watson Dray or
Slot Receiver - Benjamin/Hawkins/UDFA/Gabriel, Draftee
RB - Crowell, Johnson, Watson, UDFA
QB - McCown, Draftee, Davis Shaw
- Nick Martin out of ND floats my Center boat, but he's a 2nd round guy at best and might slip into Day 1.
- There's a couple Day 3/UDFA OG candidates I'm looking at. Dahl impressed me at the Sr. Bowl; he's a Day 3 OG.
- There are always UDFA RBs and WRs you can cast a net for. If analytics are going to help anywhere...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
. That just made my day complete, Thanks Flugel
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