Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Heh, well he puts up with Cutler...
WSS
Well, in addition to 30,000 passing yards and 200 TDs, Cutler is an adult who shows up to work every day.
Kind of a prerequisite for the QB position.
Z
Zombo said:
Well, in addition to 30,000 passing yards and 200 TDs, Cutler is an adult who shows up to work every day.
Kind of a prerequisite for the QB position.
Z
Charlie Frye showed up for work.
WSS
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Zombo said:
Well, in addition to 30,000 passing yards and 200 TDs, Cutler is an adult who shows up to work every day.
Kind of a prerequisite for the QB position.
Z
Charlie Frye showed up for work.
WSS
Charlie Frye showed up for work.
WSS
Yes he did.
So did Ken Dorsey and Joe Montana. Point?
Z
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Johnny was late to a stupid concussion treatment that some you guys said was phony.
WSS
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Johnny was late to a stupid concussion treatment that some you guys said was phony.
WSS
Johnny was late to a stupid concussion treatment that some you guys said was phony.
WSS
He bailed on his teammates and missed treatment at the end of the last two (his only) seasons.
McCown had a concussion he watched his teammates from the bowels of the stadium.
Manziel had a concussion and he flew to Vegas and was a no show on gameday.
He is not a wide receiver.
He is a quarterback.
He was The Starting Quarterback.
Quaterbacks are leaders of men. John has not shown he can be that.
It's pretty simple. Everyone can't wait to bail on him .... except you. Which is peculiar.
Z
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There is no evidence that he flew to Vegas and back the same day within a couple hours span. Why would he? He get's a ticket at like 10am or so for expired tags and then he is photographed in a grocery store in Ohio later that same day... So he flew to vegas to play a round of black jack and wear a Halloween costume and have a drink then turns right around and flys back to Cleveland hours later...
It seems like a setup or a contrived bullshit story to stir the pot and sell headlines to me...
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It really feels like Johnny is purposely staying in the news to try and force his way out of Cleveland.
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There is no evidence that he flew to Vegas and back the same day within a couple hours span. Why would he? He get's a ticket at like 10am or so for expired tags and then he is photographed in a grocery store in Ohio later that same day... So he flew to vegas to play a round of black jack and wear a Halloween costume and have a drink then turns right around and flys back to Cleveland hours later...
It seems like a setup or a contrived bullshit story to stir the pot and sell headlines to me...
There is no evidence that he flew to Vegas and back the same day within a couple hours span. Why would he? He get's a ticket at like 10am or so for expired tags and then he is photographed in a grocery store in Ohio later that same day... So he flew to vegas to play a round of black jack and wear a Halloween costume and have a drink then turns right around and flys back to Cleveland hours later...It seems like a setup or a contrived bullshit story to stir the pot and sell headlines to me...
Wow.
A national accredited journalist reported seeing him in Vegas and he missed his appointment the next day while his Browns teammates put temselves on the line against archrival Steelers.
He got the expired tag between Berea and airport. He was Not spotted in Ohio again until after the Steeler game.
Don't be such a Johnny Fag. He shit on the Browns and you are eating it like it is a frosted brownie.
Z
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I heard Jason Cole from Bleacher Report on radio today say he expects the Browns to just cut JM some time between now and two weeks from now and was leaning more towards sooner rather than later. He says he has now become untradable to any team in the NFL and likely would not be picked up by anyone when cut. He was speaking on a Cowboys sports program out of Dallas and specifically mentioned that Jerry no longer has any part of the decision making so whether he liked him or not, the FO team would reject it.
I heard Jason Cole from Bleacher Report on radio today say he expects the Browns to just cut JM some time between now and two weeks from now and was leaning more towards sooner rather than later. He says he has now become untradable to any team in the NFL and likely would not be picked up by anyone when cut. He was speaking on a Cowboys sports program out of Dallas and specifically mentioned that Jerry no longer has any part of the decision making so whether he liked him or not, the FO team would reject it.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/cleveland_browns_must_cut_ties.html Eight days, and counting....
There is no evidence that he flew to Vegas and back the same day within a couple hours span. Why would he? He get's a ticket at like 10am or so for expired tags and then he is photographed in a grocery store in Ohio later that same day... So he flew to vegas to play a round of black jack and wear a Halloween costume and have a drink then turns right around and flys back to Cleveland hours later...
It seems like a setup or a contrived bullshit story to stir the pot and sell headlines to me...
Um, there's plenty of stuff that isn't contrived PG. It's way past time to end the Johnny experiment. At the rate Johnny is going- he's going to be hanging out soon with Justin Blackmon knocking back Don Julio margaritas, and wondering why he got cut.
Z said it better than I could-
"Don't be such a Johnny Fag. He shit on the Browns and you are eating it like it is a frosted brownie."
Som funny stuff there.
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The Calgary Stampeders had better have a baby sitter for Johnny.
No way man. Stampeders were like 14-4 or something. QB Bo Vick Mitchell has a Grey Cup win a couple CFL records and is a "leader of men" . No thanks.The Calgary Stampeders had better have a baby sitter for Johnny.
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Any of you guys have an idea why, if in fact you are all absolutely correct, and he's too unreliable to play a professional sport and has no interest in the NFL, why he would want to play Canadian football?
You big time football experts and psychiatrist have an answer for that?
It does look to me as if he doesn't want to be in Cleveland or in the National Football League at all, but I have nothing to go on but bullshit and innuendo and a few stories that probably happened that I don't care about. I think that he likely has more talent than most or all of our quarterbacks over 15 years and I think it's a drag we can't, or won't try to harness that.
And for the second season he did learn your fucking playbook which unfortunately nobody else on the team, even our all pro players, were able to execute properly. And with all the little bullshit penalties why don't you tell me how seriously the rest of these guys took the game?
I don't think that's peculiar at all Z, especially in the light that some of you guys would have taken a flyer on Ray Rice and Michael Vick if you thought they'd improve the team.
And I don't think his list of sins are that bad.
I also don't expect him to be back here next season. That's probably his own fault but it will be for reasons that have nothing to do with making the Cleveland Browns a better team, which would be my goal. Fag or not.
WSS
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I dont think anyone said "he has no interest in the NFL" ? A lot of people have given several reasons they feel he's unreliable.
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I dont think anyone said "he has no interest in the NFL" ? A lot of people have given several reasons they feel he's unreliable.
Does his behavior make you think that he's into playing in the NFL? Do you think his agent might tap him on the shoulder and tell him hey you are pissing off everybody not just the Cleveland Browns?I dont think anyone said "he has no interest in the NFL" ? A lot of people have given several reasons they feel he's unreliable.
WSS
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Does his behavior make you think that he's into playing in the NFL? Do you think his agent might tap him on the shoulder and tell him hey you are pissing off everybody not just the Cleveland Browns?I dont think anyone said "he has no interest in the NFL" ? A lot of people have given several reasons they feel he's unreliable.
WSS
Does his behavior make you think that he's into playing in the NFL? Do you think his agent might tap him on the shoulder and tell him hey you are pissing off everybody not just the Cleveland Browns?
WSS
If he's pissing everyone off and no team will take him, why do you blame the posters here for doing it? It appears the whole world thinks hes a fuckup, not just us.
There is no evidence that he flew to Vegas to play a round of black jack and wear a Halloween costume and have a drink then turns right around and flys back to Cleveland hours later...
It seems like a setup or a contrived bullshit story to stir the pot and sell headlines to me...
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That has to be photoshopped right lol.
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Any of you guys have an idea why, if in fact you are all absolutely correct, and he's too unreliable to play a professional sport and has no interest in the NFL, why he would want to play Canadian football?
You big time football experts and psychiatrist have an answer for that?
It does look to me as if he doesn't want to be in Cleveland or in the National Football League at all, but I have nothing to go on but bullshit and innuendo and a few stories that probably happened that I don't care about. I think that he likely has more talent than most or all of our quarterbacks over 15 years and I think it's a drag we can't, or won't try to harness that.
And for the second season he did learn your fucking playbook which unfortunately nobody else on the team, even our all pro players, were able to execute properly. And with all the little bullshit penalties why don't you tell me how seriously the rest of these guys took the game?
I don't think that's peculiar at all Z, especially in the light that some of you guys would have taken a flyer on Ray Rice and Michael Vick if you thought they'd improve the team.
And I don't think his list of sins are that bad.
I also don't expect him to be back here next season. That's probably his own fault but it will be for reasons that have nothing to do with making the Cleveland Browns a better team, which would be my goal. Fag or not.
WSS
Any of you guys have an idea why, if in fact you are all absolutely correct, and he's too unreliable to play a professional sport and has no interest in the NFL, why he would want to play Canadian football?
I haven't mentioned Canada.
Too unreliable for an NFL team to count on him to be a starting QB.
I do think he'll get another shot on another roster though. It'll be as a backup behind an established starter. His dad, agent, etc. will get him focussed again. The kid loves football. But whether he stays focussed enough for some team to rely on him to be their starter ... he's a long way from that right now.
I hope the best for him. But it ain't happening in Cleveland.
I don't think that's peculiar at all Z, especially in the light that some of you guys would have taken a flyer on Ray Rice and Michael Vick if you thought they'd improve the team.
And I don't think his list of sins are that bad.
I also don't expect him to be back here next season. That's probably his own fault but it will be for reasons that have nothing to do with making the Cleveland Browns a better team, which would be my goal. Fag or not.
WSS
Some times you become a better team by getting rid of a distraction who does not buy into your team.
We've had two seasons of Johnny hovering over the shoulder of the starter all season, and both times he got a chance to start, we continued to lose, he got hurt, and he bailed on the team before the season was over.
I think repeating this formula makes the Browns worse. Keeping a quarterback who does not want to lead makes us worse.
Getting better means more reliable players and leaders at the QB position.
"You guys" wanting Vick and Rice is a pretty broad statement ... I didn't want them, and I can only think of one or two guys that thought Rice would help the team ... can't remember anyone wanting Vick. And I'm not sure what the fuck it has to do with Johnny. I don't dislike the kid, I don't think of him as some sort of criminal ... I want QBs that we can rely on. That put football first, that put the Cleveland Browns first. This guy is not about being a Cleveland Brown. That's fine for his life ... but he's gotta go.
Zombo
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First of all I never called you out for mentioning Canada in the first place. But you can scan all the threads and see how many have. I just thought that was a stupid remark.
Second the quote is 'some of you guys' would have been fine with Vick or Rice. If you werent one of them why take offense?
Also, & I quote, "repeating this cycle makes the Browns worse."
It most certainly does. But not the cycle you are talking about.
And if you think the kid loves football and his dad an agent could influence him then I guess Mike Pettine isn't a leader of men nor are you guessing Hue Jackson would be either.
WSS
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IMHO Johnny, Vick, & Rice share the following....their mere presence on a roster will DIVIDE a Fanbase, Front Office/Coaching Staff, & TEAM. That's why I feel strongly that we should dispense of Johnny ASAP.
It's called "addition by subtraction".
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST
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