The Truth
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So race is the defining difference? Really?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
We all know the sincerity of having the # 2 pick in the draft. A wrong move here sets the team back and proof is hindsight from other draft years. A laundry list of qb's we could all name and forget. Some argue "well they weren't that high of a draft pick this year is different." in my strong opinion I would rather have a late first rounder and two second round picks then one in the top two this year. Plain and simple it's a too high of a risk when the Qb's in this draft aren't worthy of a #2 pick. There I said it.
In recent years the only one even close to a sure qb pick was Luck. Wentz and Goff aren't a pimple on his behind. Just using Luck as an example should get the sincerity of it all. You could argue other positions being busts as well but we could all agree that the only O-line position that deserves such a high pick is a LT. JT is the man so Tunsil is out of the question.
Bosa is going #1. Tenn already got their qb last year which makes a lot of sense building through the draft. So why not a qb at # 2 again? Wentz and Goff aren't worthy. Plenty of teams like to trade and plenty of teams can draft well without having the luxury of high picks in each round. Trading down is the smartest thing to do. To assume you're going to get a blue chip Qb in the first rd this year is a huge gamble.
This is a deep draft defensively and stockpiling picks would be the luxury at this point.
As for the running game the Browns seemed to run the ball about midpoint through the season. The offense was moving the ball and keeping the defense off the field. They can build on that. There is free agency coming of course and a shake up on the o-line is enviable.
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I read all the responses btw. If everyone likes you you're doing something wrong.
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We all know the sincerity of having the # 2 pick in the draft. 1) a wrong move here sets the team back and proof is hindsight from other draft years. A laundry list of qb's we could all name and forget. Some argue "well they weren't that high of a draft pick this year is different." in my strong opinion I would rather have a late first rounder and two second round picks then one in the top two this year. 2) Plain and simple it's a too high of a risk when the Qb's in this draft aren't worthy of a #2 pick. There I said it.
3) In recent years the only one even close to a sure qb pick was Luck. Wentz and Goff aren't a pimple on his behind. Just using Luck as an example should get the sincerity of it all. You could argue other positions being busts as well but we could all agree that the only O-line position that deserves such a high pick is a LT. JT is the man so Tunsil is out of the question.
Bosa is going #1. Tenn already got their qb last year which makes a lot of sense building through the draft. So why not a qb at # 2 again? Wentz and Goff aren't worthy. Plenty of teams like to trade and plenty of teams can draft well without having the luxury of high picks in each round. 4) Trading down is the smartest thing to do. To assume you're going to get a blue chip Qb in the first rd this year is a huge gamble.
This is a deep draft defensively and stockpiling picks would be the luxury at this point.
As for the running game the Browns seemed to run the ball about midpoint through the season. The offense was moving the ball and keeping the defense off the field. They can build on that. There is free agency coming of course and a shake up on the o-line is enviable.
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I read all the responses btw. If everyone likes you you're doing something wrong.
I'll respond to the parts I put in red in order.
1) Yeah, just ask the Bengals about Akilli Smith, or the Lions about Joey Harrington. However IMHO, this is not the year to be afraid of making a mistake.
2) That's your opinion, and it's not shared by everyone.
3) So sure, let's just wait until another Andrew Luck shows up, and the Browns happen to have the #1 overall pick. Fat chance of that ever happening. Comes up about every 25 years or so. I've said it before- taking the route of building up the defense will land you in Houston's boat- drafting far too low to have a shot at a franchise qb in the year one is available in the draft. Or maybe you think Hackenberg and Cook are prospects on the level of Goff & Wentz? We've gone the #22 pick for qb three times, and flopped badly- three times.
4) Trading down passing on Julio Jones to take Phil Taylor, trading down passing on Kalil Mack to take Justin Gilbert has worked out so well for us. NOT
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We should make everybody call their no doubt sure fire all Pro can't miss selections now so that a year from today we don't have everybody pretending that they wanted Khalil Mack.
WSS
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Sic 'em, Ghoulie...
Jesus Christ was overrated.
Yup... bailed on the pocket way too early...
... and don't even get me started on that whole Gatorade into wine fiasco...
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We should make everybody call their no doubt sure fire all Pro can't miss selections now so that a year from today we don't have everybody pretending that they wanted Khalil Mack.
WSS
We should make everybody call their no doubt sure fire all Pro can't miss selections now so that a year from today we don't have everybody pretending that they wanted Khalil Mack.
WSS
Bosa - if we pass him by at #2 we will regret it as my as Khalil or Jones. Only caveat is if we get an equally good defensive player who can pressure the QB. It's what our D needs the most to become truly excellent.
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Bosa is more comparable to Jared Allen than JJ Watt - although Bosa is probably a bit heavier. I think he'll be solid, but I don't think he'll be JJ Watt level.
If Lawrence Taylor was a 6'6 270 lb DE then maybe it'd make sense to compare him to Bosa (but he wasn't)
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Bosa is more comparable to Jared Allen than JJ Watt - although Bosa is probably a bit heavier. I think he'll be solid, but I don't think he'll be JJ Watt level.
If Lawrence Taylor was a 6'6 270 lb DE then maybe it'd make sense to compare him to Bosa (but he wasn't)
Bosa is more comparable to Jared Allen than JJ Watt - although Bosa is probably a bit heavier. I think he'll be solid, but I don't think he'll be JJ Watt level.
If Lawrence Taylor was a 6'6 270 lb DE then maybe it'd make sense to compare him to Bosa (but he wasn't)
Taylor was 6'3" 240. Bosa 6'6" 276.
Maybe Bosa more Deacon Jones: 6'5 275
Or, maybe the best comparison: Howie Long 6'5, 270 He would go from DE to the middle at times.
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We should make everybody call their no doubt sure fire all Pro can't miss selections now so that a year from today we don't have everybody pretending that they wanted Khalil Mack.
WSS
We should make everybody call their no doubt sure fire all Pro can't miss selections now so that a year from today we don't have everybody pretending that they wanted Khalil Mack.
WSS
I was harping Mack way before that draft, him and Watkins. I was happy with taking either one. Simply couldn't believe we passed on both of them. But I was on record. So i'm going on record now saying that Bosa will likely be in the running for defensive rookie of the year wherever he goes, unless it's some dumbass team that stands him up.
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Bosa is more comparable to Jared Allen than JJ Watt - although Bosa is probably a bit heavier. I think he'll be solid, but I don't think he'll be JJ Watt level.
If Lawrence Taylor was a 6'6 270 lb DE then maybe it'd make sense to compare him to Bosa (but he wasn't)
Bosa is more comparable to Jared Allen than JJ Watt - although Bosa is probably a bit heavier. I think he'll be solid, but I don't think he'll be JJ Watt level.
If Lawrence Taylor was a 6'6 270 lb DE then maybe it'd make sense to compare him to Bosa (but he wasn't)
well remember coming out of college Watt was pretty much the same size as Bosa, maybe not as solid though. Bosa seems to be physically ahead of Watt at this stage in their careers. Now obviously what Watts done since being drafted is get bigger, stronger and faster. Something Bosa will have to do as well even though if he stays right where he is he'll likely have himself a nice career. But if he does commit to the game like Watt has, and that's a big "IF"...if he does his ceiling may actually be higher. Which is scary.
Watching old tape of Watt you see a great pass rusher. But I didn't see that ability that Bosa has to stuff an offensive lineman while checking the play. One of the reasons i'm so high on Bosa's skillset. His strength compliments his technique perfectly. He's an edge guy that I feel can and will contribute to run defense more than just setting the edge. Which is what we need. I'd be happy with us using as the 5 tech in a 3-4 but would be more happy if we put some 4-3 looks down and sprung a speed rusher on the other side.
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A lineup that might look too bad is putting 3 DL down with Bosa on one side and Orchard on the other.....who could be the Jack type OLB'er we've been looking for. I just don't want to see any stupid 2 DL sets with Shelton, Bosa and two OLB"ers standing on the edge.
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Watt was more explosive, bigger, and blew people up with strength alone in college. It's the perfection of his technique that has made him such an elite.
If the Titans think he has a higher ceiling than JJ Watt then he isn't falling past them anyway (but the only people who think that to be true are some OSU fans)
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i'm calling zeke a no-miss no-brainer ROTY candidate for whatever team is smart enough to pick him.
book it.
the OSU faithful might be surprised but i feel apple will be just as good as bosa and he plays a more difficult position.
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Bosa is more comparable to Jared Allen than JJ Watt - although Bosa is probably a bit heavier. I think he'll be solid, but I don't think he'll be JJ Watt level.
If Lawrence Taylor was a 6'6 270 lb DE then maybe it'd make sense to compare him to Bosa (but he wasn't)
well remember coming out of college Watt was pretty much the same size as Bosa, maybe not as solid though. Bosa seems to be physically ahead of Watt at this stage in their careers. Now obviously what Watts done since being drafted is get bigger, stronger and faster. Something Bosa will have to do as well even though if he stays right where he is he'll likely have himself a nice career. But if he does commit to the game like Watt has, and that's a big "IF"...if he does his ceiling may actually be higher. Which is scary.
Watching old tape of Watt you see a great pass rusher. But I didn't see that ability that Bosa has to stuff an offensive lineman while checking the play. One of the reasons i'm so high on Bosa's skillset. His strength compliments his technique perfectly. He's an edge guy that I feel can and will contribute to run defense more than just setting the edge. Which is what we need. I'd be happy with us using as the 5 tech in a 3-4 but would be more happy if we put some 4-3 looks down and sprung a speed rusher on the other side.
well remember coming out of college Watt was pretty much the same size as Bosa, maybe not as solid though. Bosa seems to be physically ahead of Watt at this stage in their careers.
Ummmm... no.
At his combine JJ was 6'5 and 290. Here's his page...
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=76434&draftyear=2011&genpos=DE
I don't think Bosa will beat a single result that JJ posted.
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wtf he was 290 coming out of college? and listed as a DE? No fucking way, I remember that draft he was like optimistically listed at 280. If he was 290 coming out of college than he hasn't gained a single pound since coming out? He was no fatass in college that got leaner. That just blows my mind if it's true. He was a 4-3 DE prospect, there's no way he was 290 at Wicsonsin.
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anyway, Joey was benching 440 in HS and runs I the 4'7s while Watt ran 4'8's coming out. So I think the numbers are gonna be awfully close. Bosa should get in the neighborhood of 30 reps on the bench but i'm not really interested. The 225 has proven to not be indicative of field strength. Which when I look at tape Bosa looks to have more of than watt did. That's just an eyeball test. Watt looked like he got hemmed up by OL's easier than Bosa does.
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oh and just read a recent article about Bosa that lists him at 285. I think there might be some pre draft shit that goes on. Cuase he ain't 285 and Watt wasn't 290
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oh and just read a recent article about Bosa that lists him at 285. I think there might be some pre draft shit that goes on. Cuase he ain't 285 and Watt wasn't 290
oh and just read a recent article about Bosa that lists him at 285. I think there might be some pre draft shit that goes on. Cuase he ain't 285 and Watt wasn't 290
Combine weight is what matters. Watt was 290, we don't know what Bosa will be until then (but it probably is around 270)
But Bosa = Watt, no.
Bosa = Jared Allen, maybe.
(NFL.com compares him to Ryan Kerrigan)
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