Jonathan Paul Manziel
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A true leader, which the QB needs to be, would not skip out on his team for a game whether he was in concussion protocol or not.
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Tour, it doesn't really count as getting to 50 if you have the equivalent of a page of you posting how far we are away
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There's a very real difference between having an actual conversation and being a sarcastic asshole on the internet. I have been both. But it's a big difference.
I'm secure enough with myself to admit being wrong -- that JM the person wouldn't interfere with his football career. I underestimated his issues and thought some of them were overblown.
What hasn't changed for me is similar to many people's feelings about him as a person. What those people have seen has reaffirmed their opinion that he was a headcase and would have been better off going elsewhere, other than to the Cleveland Browns.
For me, I saw a good quarterback then, and saw one who was progressing this season and disproving a lot of the criticisms of his ability to play the position.
We might not ever get to find out, and that's fine. There have been plenty of other similar situations where we haven't gotten closure on a player we felt strongly one way or the other about.
As for the "shitting on the Browns" remark I keep seeing... It's a game. A good portion of the players are getting rich and playing a sport. They give zero fucks if they let down Zombo.
Well,first off, this is a fan board. It's not about what the players think ... it's about what the fans feel.
So if the fans feel shit on ... that is more than relevant.
Secondly, the "shitting on the Browns" is most often used not to illustrate fan's hurt feelings, but the position he has put the organization in.
He took a dump on Jimmy Haslem. Sashi was there. And Hue is not about to let it happen to him. THAT is WHY he's getting released. Not because he was that bad of a player ... but in his two years in the league he has yet to prove to be a good one.
Z
Zombo said:
Well,first off, this is a fan board. It's not about what the players think ... it's about what the fans feel.
So if the fans feel shit on ... that is more than relevant.
Secondly, the "shitting on the Browns" is most often used not to illustrate fan's hurt feelings, but the position he has put the organization in.
He took a dump on Jimmy Haslem. Sashi was there. And Hue is not about to let it happen to him. THAT is WHY he's getting released. Not because he was that bad of a player ... but in his two years in the league he has yet to prove to be a good one.
Z
His failure to show up to the game was disrespectful to his fellow teammates.
Fans could forgive him as he was not going to play anyway. I don't know that many of his teammates forgive him.
Hell, they may be all lining up to volunteer to drive the bus that takes him out of town.
Fair to say?
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How about you just don't read the threads that annoy you Gipper?
Its condensed into one thread as it is unlike some other threads that get repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
WSS
How about you just don't read the threads that annoy you Gipper?
Its condensed into one thread as it is unlike some other threads that get repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
WSS
Hey....we need to get rid of the Johnny threads that annoy me so that we can concentrate on the Camp Goff, Camp Wentz, Camp Lynch threads that annoy me.
I will keep you posted on which threads annoy me.....perhaps in this fashion: I will post this danger warning when a thread is getting close to irritating me:
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Johnny goes to Dallas and leads the Cowboy's to the playoff's after Romo goes down. Browns fans watch highlights of Manziel on ESPN every Sunday as he throwsTD to Dez Bryant. While Browns wallow in mediocrity.
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Unfortunately he appears to be on an extended "Lost Weekend".
Ray Milland?
Ray Milland?
yessir-pretty pitiful. I found a very long article written the summer of 2013 about the effects on him of having won the Heisman. It was really heartbreaking all the pulling, pushing etc. to live up to Johnny Football, Heisman winner. No wonder the kid is such a mess. I know he had gone into hiding most of his 2013 season because he could go nowhere without constant harassment both positive and negative. But I never realized the extent of it until reading the article. I hope he finds help even if he never plays another down.
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Cool post bro. Anything of substance to say? Anything original? Anything with any kind of point? Or just trying to troll, horrifically?
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No. Also no need for apostrophes in Cowboys or playoffs.
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Wanna place a bet? Or are you not 18 yet?
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Johnny goes to Dallas and leads the Cowboy's to the playoff's after Romo goes down. Browns fans watch highlights of Manziel on ESPN every Sunday as he throwsTD to Dez Bryant. While Browns wallow in mediocrity.
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You guy's are such critic's.
You guy's are such critic's.
Nice.
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Tour, it doesn't really count as getting to 50 if you have the equivalent of a page of you posting how far we are away
Tour, it doesn't really count as getting to 50 if you have the equivalent of a page of you posting how far we are away
lol... well make it 51 then...
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Official Browns' statement is out...
Statement from Cleveland Browns EVP of Football Operations Sashi Brown on Johnny Manziel
"We've been clear about expectations for our players on and off the field. Johnny's continual involvement in incidents that run counter to those expectations undermines the hard work of his teammates and the reputation of our organization. His status with our team will be addressed when permitted by league rules. We will have no further comment at this time."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
They could have said that a week ago. Cut on Feb. 8 obviously.
Edit-not so obviously. Cap space problem if they cut Monday.
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Official Browns' statement is out...
Statement from Cleveland Browns EVP of Football Operations Sashi Brown on Johnny Manziel
"We've been clear about expectations for our players on and off the field. Johnny's continual involvement in incidents that run counter to those expectations undermines the hard work of his teammates and the reputation of our organization. His status with our team will be addressed when permitted by league rules. We will have no further comment at this time."
Official Browns' statement is out...
Statement from Cleveland Browns EVP of Football Operations Sashi Brown on Johnny Manziel
"We've been clear about expectations for our players on and off the field. Johnny's continual involvement in incidents that run counter to those expectations undermines the hard work of his teammates and the reputation of our organization. His status with our team will be addressed when permitted by league rules. We will have no further comment at this time."
Sure does look like a Monday cut & deservedly so.
Mike
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Official Browns' statement is out...
Statement from Cleveland Browns EVP of Football Operations Sashi Brown on Johnny Manziel
"We've been clear about expectations for our players on and off the field. Johnny's continual involvement in incidents that run counter to those expectations undermines the hard work of his teammates and the reputation of our organization. His status with our team will be addressed when permitted by league rules. We will have no further comment at this time."
Official Browns' statement is out...
Statement from Cleveland Browns EVP of Football Operations Sashi Brown on Johnny Manziel
"We've been clear about expectations for our players on and off the field. Johnny's continual involvement in incidents that run counter to those expectations undermines the hard work of his teammates and the reputation of our organization. His status with our team will be addressed when permitted by league rules. We will have no further comment at this time."
Just in case someone (Mike) is still not clear on this:
"Johnny's continual involvement in incidents that run counter to those expectations undermines the hard work of his teammates and the reputation of our organization."
Equals
"Johnny shit on the organization"
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Johnny goes to Dallas and leads the Cowboy's to the playoff's after Romo goes down. Browns fans watch highlights of Manziel on ESPN every Sunday as he throwsTD to Dez Bryant. While Browns wallow in mediocrity.
Great more fodder for the Mega Thread.
We're gonna hit 50 pages before Johnny hits the streets.
Zombo
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Johnny Manziel's time with the Cleveland Browns will come to an end in March, according to a league source.
The Browns released a statement from new director of football operations Sashi Brown on Tuesday that expressed disappointment in Manziel but stopped short of saying the quarterback's run in Cleveland is over.
"We've been clear about expectations for our players on and off the field. Johnny's continual involvement in incidents that run counter to those expectations undermines the hard work of his teammates and the reputation of our organization," Brown said. "His status with our team will be addressed when permitted by league rules. We will have no further comment at this time."
The reference to league rules points to the fact that the Browns do not have the salary cap space to release Manziel on Feb. 8, the day after the Super Bowl and the first day they can do so. The move will take place when the new NFL year starts March 9, according to the source. Releasing Manziel in February would count $4.6 million against the cap, and due to the cap's machinations, the Browns do not have that space -- and will not have it in February. The cap will increase in March, which will allow them to release Manziel then.
Manziel's two seasons in Cleveland were turbulent, as off-field issues overshadowed his on-field performances.
Manziel famously promised that he and the Browns would "wreck this league" on draft night in 2014, but Manziel never came close to realizing the promise he showed in college.
The Heisman Trophy winner started eight games for the Browns, and he appeared in 15. He completed 57 percent of his passes, threw 7 touchdowns, 7 interceptions and had a 74.4 rating with a 2-6 record as a starter.
A career that started with immeasurable excitement at the Browns trading up to draft Manziel ended with fans and the team ready to move on. Manziel is likely to rank as one of the Browns' biggest draft disappointments.
Manziel had a rocky rookie season that ended with him missing the final walkthrough after he was out late the night before the team flew to Baltimore. Manziel checked into rehab and treatment for undisclosed reasons shortly after the season and spent 10 weeks at Caron Treatment Center outside Reading, Pennsylvania.
He returned promising to tamp down the hype and keep himself off social media and out of the news. He did so until mid-October, when police in Avon, Ohio, questioned him after his then-girlfriend said he had hit her while driving in a car.
That led to a spiral of appearances on social media that troubled the team -- and briefly cost him a starting job.
Manziel returned for three of the final four games when Josh McCown broke his collarbone, but the week before the finale showed up late to a Wednesday team meeting looking disheveled. The team got him out of the meeting room, then announced he was in the concussion protocol.
USA Today then reported Manziel was in Las Vegas the weekend of the Browns' finale. He missed a scheduled treatment for his concussion the morning of the finale.
More social media appearances in clubs followed, and last weekend police were called for an alleged assault in Fort Worth, Texas. Dallas and Fort Worth police are investigating, as is the league.
Manziel's future is cloudy, as a team would have to sign him knowing he has to get his off-field life together while also improving as a player.
Johnny Football leaves Cleveland with his reputation and image deflated.
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