Browns might have a huge problem brewing...
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Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
Gip,
IMHO this lack of lifetime loyalty was created, in large part, by free agency. These young people don't see the "Player to Team" & "Team to Player" loyalty that us older folks saw. When I was a kid, most players seemed to play their entire careers with one Team. They were your heroes for years & those players were linked to the Browns (or whatever Team you followed). Many of todays' players play for 2, 3 or more Teams throughout their careers. The days of kids growing up with a player or players spending entire careers on the hometown Team are virtually gone with very few exceptions.
Dylan..."The times, they are a changin"
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
Gip,
IMHO this lack of lifetime loyalty was created, in large part, by free agency. These young people don't see the "Player to Team" & "Team to Player" loyalty that us older folks saw. When I was a kid, most players seemed to play their entire careers with one Team. They were your heroes for years & those players were linked to the Browns (or whatever Team you followed). Many of todays' players play for 2, 3 or more Teams throughout their careers. The days of kids growing up with a player or players spending entire careers on the hometown Team are virtually gone with very few exceptions.
Dylan..."The times, they are a changin"
Mike
Very good point. It's like this way in baseball too.Gip,
IMHO this lack of lifetime loyalty was created, in large part, by free agency. These young people don't see the "Player to Team" & "Team to Player" loyalty that us older folks saw. When I was a kid, most players seemed to play their entire careers with one Team. They were your heroes for years & those players were linked to the Browns (or whatever Team you followed). Many of todays' players play for 2, 3 or more Teams throughout their careers. The days of kids growing up with a player or players spending entire careers on the hometown Team are virtually gone with very few exceptions.
Dylan..."The times, they are a changin"
Mike
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Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
This generation is no different than any other generation in that respect. There would have been no "older generation" of Browns fans had they not torn apart the AAFC and then the NFL in its infancy.
Sure, there would have been some just solely based on proximity, as it was near impossible to be a fan of another team when you couldn't readily see or hear them. But the city of Cleveland would have likely just forgotten about the Browns if they didn't start fast and strong with PB.
Just like they've forgotten about them now.
I find it hilarious when other generations try to pile on millenials despite the fact that there have been infinitely more societal, technological, ethical, and educational dvancements during this time than during that of both baby boomers and Gen Xers.
I remember when frankfurters cost a nickel and you had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow both ways to go to the corner store for some good taffy.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Wow. This entire thread just baffles me.
To address the OP, why do you think you can 'breed' Browns fans?
Your kids should follow this team because they were born here? Or because you 'taught' them to?
I'm not getting that at all. Can't they make up their own minds?
Some of the responses throw me, as well.
What does it mean to be a 'real' Browns' fan if you only follow them if they win? Or if their cheerleaders are nova and their uniforms are cuul?
Absolutely agree that their Marketing department should be challenged to sell this pile of dawg crap to the world.
That's why they get paid. Tough sell though, because I can't remember turning on a Chargers game because of the Harry Potter lightening bolt on their uniforms or watching any team for their cheerleaders.
I also don't buy the Browns crap.
No jerseys. No cheerleader posters. No tickets.
Yet, I'm STILL a Browns fan.
It's more a measure of a fan to continue to follow 'your' team - especially when they're losing - than it is to say you only follow a winner - or, failing that, the one who markets themselves with the cuul merchandise or nova cheerleaders.
BTW, the Browns DO have one marketable player.
Johnny Manziel.
Every whiff or hint of a remote story about this guy made national coverage over the last two years.
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Interesting post, and many good points. Speaks to my heart as l am finding it a difficult to convert my own daughter to "Brownieism."
I don't think it's any secret that being part of a family and rooting for a particular sports team has a certain binding property that goes beyond the sport or team itself. It's a common connection.
I know personally the teams l root for has a shit ton to do with my family, snd l'm sure that's not an uncommon story. And when it comes to families, especially men in families, we aren't too keen on talking about shit like feelings. So instead we talk about how the Tribe did last night. Or how we think Hue Jackson will do as a coach.
The points about how it's not just a geographical thing anymore, and how instead of there being team centric interest it's more interest in the superstar player of the moment. Both very good points. And both likely influenced by the internet and easy access to information, as well as free agency.
Which oddly enough was something l thought l could exploit in my attempts to convert my daughter to "Brownieism."
Johnny Manziel! Hell yes, that'll get it done. Or not...
Granted she is a busy kid, plays sports herself, travel ball, yadda yadda. I think D Bone feels my pain.
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Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
Gip,
IMHO this lack of lifetime loyalty was created, in large part, by free agency. These young people don't see the "Player to Team" & "Team to Player" loyalty that us older folks saw. When I was a kid, most players seemed to play their entire careers with one Team. They were your heroes for years & those players were linked to the Browns (or whatever Team you followed). Many of todays' players play for 2, 3 or more Teams throughout their careers. The days of kids growing up with a player or players spending entire careers on the hometown Team are virtually gone with very few exceptions.
Dylan..."The times, they are a changin"
Mike
Gip,
IMHO this lack of lifetime loyalty was created, in large part, by free agency. These young people don't see the "Player to Team" & "Team to Player" loyalty that us older folks saw. When I was a kid, most players seemed to play their entire careers with one Team. They were your heroes for years & those players were linked to the Browns (or whatever Team you followed). Many of todays' players play for 2, 3 or more Teams throughout their careers. The days of kids growing up with a player or players spending entire careers on the hometown Team are virtually gone with very few exceptions.
Dylan..."The times, they are a changin"
Mike
I suppose that is true Mike. It has helped that the local team has sucked....so even with player movement if the local team is winning there is not the temptation to looke elsewhere.
Of course, my...and your loyalties are with the roots.....the city, the region. Such a mobile society has no roots....and no local loyalties....so they just jump on the nearest bandwagon.
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Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
This generation is no different than any other generation in that respect. There would have been no "older generation" of Browns fans had they not torn apart the AAFC and then the NFL in its infancy.
Sure, there would have been some just solely based on proximity, as it was near impossible to be a fan of another team when you couldn't readily see or hear them. But the city of Cleveland would have likely just forgotten about the Browns if they didn't start fast and strong with PB.
Just like they've forgotten about them now.
I find it hilarious when other generations try to pile on millenials despite the fact that there have been infinitely more societal, technological, ethical, and educational dvancements during this time than during that of both baby boomers and Gen Xers.
I remember when frankfurters cost a nickel and you had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow both ways to go to the corner store for some good taffy.
This generation is no different than any other generation in that respect. There would have been no "older generation" of Browns fans had they not torn apart the AAFC and then the NFL in its infancy.
Sure, there would have been some just solely based on proximity, as it was near impossible to be a fan of another team when you couldn't readily see or hear them. But the city of Cleveland would have likely just forgotten about the Browns if they didn't start fast and strong with PB.
I honestly don't think that is true. Again, you assume lack of loyalty because your generation doesn't really have it. You are applying the traits of your generation on to ours...and that cannot be done any more than you can apply the traits of our generation onto yours.
Just like they've forgotten about them now.
I don't think they have forgotten....merely repressed those memories.
I find it hilarious when other generations try to pile on millenials despite the fact that there have been infinitely more societal, technological, ethical, and educational dvancements during this time than during that of both baby boomers and Gen Xers.
And again, you try to do the exact opposite.
I remember when frankfurters cost a nickel and you had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow both ways to go to the corner store for some good taffy.
That would not be the Baby Boomers, that would be the GI Generation...and before.
But, guess what? Perhaps early aspect of the Baby Boomer Generation are coming back: I saw gas this morning for 49 cents per gallon!!
It was E85 gas....but it was gas.
I paid 1.64 for regular.
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This generation is no different than any other generation in that respect. There would have been no "older generation" of Browns fans had they not torn apart the AAFC and then the NFL in its infancy.
Sure, there would have been some just solely based on proximity, as it was near impossible to be a fan of another team when you couldn't readily see or hear them. But the city of Cleveland would have likely just forgotten about the Browns if they didn't start fast and strong with PB.
I honestly don't think that is true. Again, you assume lack of loyalty because your generation doesn't really have it. You are applying the traits of your generation on to ours...and that cannot be done any more than you can apply the traits of our generation onto yours.
Just like they've forgotten about them now.
I don't think they have forgotten....merely repressed those memories.
I find it hilarious when other generations try to pile on millenials despite the fact that there have been infinitely more societal, technological, ethical, and educational dvancements during this time than during that of both baby boomers and Gen Xers.
And again, you try to do the exact opposite.
I remember when frankfurters cost a nickel and you had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow both ways to go to the corner store for some good taffy.
That would not be the Baby Boomers, that would be the GI Generation...and before.
But, guess what? Perhaps early aspect of the Baby Boomer Generation are coming back: I saw gas this morning for 49 cents per gallon!!
It was E85 gas....but it was gas.
I paid 1.64 for regular.
This generation is no different than any other generation in that respect. There would have been no "older generation" of Browns fans had they not torn apart the AAFC and then the NFL in its infancy.
Sure, there would have been some just solely based on proximity, as it was near impossible to be a fan of another team when you couldn't readily see or hear them. But the city of Cleveland would have likely just forgotten about the Browns if they didn't start fast and strong with PB.
I honestly don't think that is true. Again, you assume lack of loyalty because your generation doesn't really have it. You are applying the traits of your generation on to ours...and that cannot be done any more than you can apply the traits of our generation onto yours.
Just like they've forgotten about them now.
I don't think they have forgotten....merely repressed those memories.
I find it hilarious when other generations try to pile on millenials despite the fact that there have been infinitely more societal, technological, ethical, and educational dvancements during this time than during that of both baby boomers and Gen Xers.
And again, you try to do the exact opposite.
I remember when frankfurters cost a nickel and you had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow both ways to go to the corner store for some good taffy.
That would not be the Baby Boomers, that would be the GI Generation...and before.
But, guess what? Perhaps early aspect of the Baby Boomer Generation are coming back: I saw gas this morning for 49 cents per gallon!!
It was E85 gas....but it was gas.
I paid 1.64 for regular
There are many aspects of past generations I wish were still prevalent - mainly in terms of music and culture. But the relentlessly piling on of millennials is, to me, unfounded - especially when it comes to loyalty. Sports-wise, there may be a better case for it, but millennials have shown to be fiercely brand loyal in a number of market research studies, moreso than other generations. However, that loyalty starts with identifying quality products, which the Browns haven't been throughout a majority of most millennials life-cycles.
This age of connectivity makes it easier to root for teams from anywhere in the nation and, as such, makes it easier for the casual fan to "follow" the sport. So it's not outside the realm of reason that there'd be more bandwagoning in today's age. Doesn't make the generation more fickle.
I bought a Panthers hat, after all. Can't be rooting for Denver.
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This generation is no different than any other generation in that respect. There would have been no "older generation" of Browns fans had they not torn apart the AAFC and then the NFL in its infancy.
Sure, there would have been some just solely based on proximity, as it was near impossible to be a fan of another team when you couldn't readily see or hear them. But the city of Cleveland would have likely just forgotten about the Browns if they didn't start fast and strong with PB.
I honestly don't think that is true. Again, you assume lack of loyalty because your generation doesn't really have it. You are applying the traits of your generation on to ours...and that cannot be done any more than you can apply the traits of our generation onto yours.
Just like they've forgotten about them now.
I don't think they have forgotten....merely repressed those memories.
I find it hilarious when other generations try to pile on millenials despite the fact that there have been infinitely more societal, technological, ethical, and educational dvancements during this time than during that of both baby boomers and Gen Xers.
And again, you try to do the exact opposite.
I remember when frankfurters cost a nickel and you had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow both ways to go to the corner store for some good taffy.
That would not be the Baby Boomers, that would be the GI Generation...and before.
But, guess what? Perhaps early aspect of the Baby Boomer Generation are coming back: I saw gas this morning for 49 cents per gallon!!
It was E85 gas....but it was gas.
I paid 1.64 for regular
There are many aspects of past generations I wish were still prevalent - mainly in terms of music and culture. But the relentlessly piling on of millennials is, to me, unfounded - especially when it comes to loyalty. Sports-wise, there may be a better case for it, but millennials have shown to be fiercely brand loyal in a number of market research studies, moreso than other generations. However, that loyalty starts with identifying quality products, which the Browns haven't been throughout a majority of most millennials life-cycles.
This age of connectivity makes it easier to root for teams from anywhere in the nation and, as such, makes it easier for the casual fan to "follow" the sport. So it's not outside the realm of reason that there'd be more bandwagoning in today's age. Doesn't make the generation more fickle.
I bought a Panthers hat, after all. Can't be rooting for Denver.
There are many aspects of past generations I wish were still prevalent - mainly in terms of music and culture. But the relentlessly piling on of millennials is, to me, unfounded - especially when it comes to loyalty. Sports-wise, there may be a better case for it, but millennials have shown to be fiercely brand loyal in a number of market research studies, moreso than other generations. However, that loyalty starts with identifying quality products, which the Browns haven't been throughout a majority of most millennials life-cycles.
This age of connectivity makes it easier to root for teams from anywhere in the nation and, as such, makes it easier for the casual fan to "follow" the sport. So it's not outside the realm of reason that there'd be more bandwagoning in today's age. Doesn't make the generation more fickle.
I bought a Panthers hat, after all. Can't be rooting for Denver.
Well, I agree with just about everything you say....except your conclusion. Yes, I do think it makes this generation more fickle.
You said "loyalty starts with identifying with quality products for millenials". You failed to complete the thought inherent in your statement though: without the quality product, loyalty shifts to a different quality product. That is the implication I am reading into that.
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There are many aspects of past generations I wish were still prevalent - mainly in terms of music and culture. But the relentlessly piling on of millennials is, to me, unfounded - especially when it comes to loyalty. Sports-wise, there may be a better case for it, but millennials have shown to be fiercely brand loyal in a number of market research studies, moreso than other generations. However, that loyalty starts with identifying quality products, which the Browns haven't been throughout a majority of most millennials life-cycles.
This age of connectivity makes it easier to root for teams from anywhere in the nation and, as such, makes it easier for the casual fan to "follow" the sport. So it's not outside the realm of reason that there'd be more bandwagoning in today's age. Doesn't make the generation more fickle.
I bought a Panthers hat, after all. Can't be rooting for Denver.
Well, I agree with just about everything you say....except your conclusion. Yes, I do think it makes this generation more fickle.
You said "loyalty starts with identifying with quality products for millenials". You failed to complete the thought inherent in your statement though: without the quality product, loyalty shifts to a different quality product. That is the implication I am reading into that.
Well, I agree with just about everything you say....except your conclusion. Yes, I do think it makes this generation more fickle.
You said "loyalty starts with identifying with quality products for millenials". You failed to complete the thought inherent in your statement though: without the quality product, loyalty shifts to a different quality product. That is the implication I am reading into that.
Fair enough, it was my fault. I meant that the entry barrier for this generation is quality. Millennials in general remain loyal to the brands that they originally purchased, partly because switching brands is admitting that their initial valuation may have been misplaced.
Millennials will research a product to determine which have the highest value at the time of their purchase, then will generally stick with that product regardless of how it plays out over time.
Take Apple for instance - despite the fact that they haven't been nearly as innovative since Steve Jobs passed, millennials remain fiercely brand loyal to Apple products because, for the vast majority, Apple offered the highest value at the time of entry for the largest share of millennials (early-to-mid 2000's for products). You have to remember that the millennial generation is in their 20's and early 30's now...so the entry barrier isn't now for most products, but 5-10 years ago. For this reason, you'll likely see a lot of Vikings, Patriots, Steelers, and Packers fans in their 20's with zero regional or familial affiliations to those geographic locations.
We may be arguing the same point, however, if you were talking Gen Z - who have shown to be more trendy and less loyal in their product purchases due to a number of factors, with social proof being a big one.
All in all, though, the problem with the Browns is multi-layered - they weren't winning over the past 10-15 years, therefore they weren't capturing the millennial market in their formative years, they aren't winning now to capture Gen Z'ers nor are they trendy enough to capture Gen Z'ers, and, because they missed the boat on millennials - there's a chance they won't be appealing to the children of millennials either.
(This is all excluding regional and familial ties, of course.)
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Wow. This entire thread just baffles me.
To address the OP, why do you think you can 'breed' Browns fans?
Your kids should follow this team because they were born here? Or because you 'taught' them to?
I'm not getting that at all. Can't they make up their own minds?
Some of the responses throw me, as well.
What does it mean to be a 'real' Browns' fan if you only follow them if they win? Or if their cheerleaders are nova and their uniforms are cuul?
Absolutely agree that their Marketing department should be challenged to sell this pile of dawg crap to the world.
That's why they get paid. Tough sell though, because I can't remember turning on a Chargers game because of the Harry Potter lightening bolt on their uniforms or watching any team for their cheerleaders.
I also don't buy the Browns crap.
No jerseys. No cheerleader posters. No tickets.
Yet, I'm STILL a Browns fan.
It's more a measure of a fan to continue to follow 'your' team - especially when they're losing - than it is to say you only follow a winner - or, failing that, the one who markets themselves with the cuul merchandise or nova cheerleaders.
BTW, the Browns DO have one marketable player.
Johnny Manziel.
Every whiff or hint of a remote story about this guy made national coverage over the last two years.
Wow. This entire thread just baffles me.
To address the OP, why do you think you can 'breed' Browns fans?
Your kids should follow this team because they were born here? Or because you 'taught' them to?
I'm not getting that at all. Can't they make up their own minds?
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I would agree with you on any other subject "except" when it comes to the Browns. You can also have other auxiliary teams you casually enjoy watching. I had the 49'ers, until they tore up that defense, and the Colts...now just them...as teams I watch when their game is on. I'll probably also follow to some extent whatever team Bosa lands on cause he'll probably be a kick to watch. But that's "casual". I'm sorry but if you grow up around here you ought to be Browns fan first and foremost. Teams in big markets can and always will pull fans from all over so they have that income. The Browns "need" the diehard Browns fans. That goes for all teams not in the big elite cities that most players want to go play for. Do you think the Dolphins give a whole lot of fucks about the immediate area? Of course not, they'll always have players that wouldn't mind going there cause of south beach...just the way it is. Teams like Cleveland cannot compete with those kind of cities based on those superficial qualities. We "have" to be among the most loyal fanbase in all of sports, it's one of the teams selling points.
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IMO fantasy football has hurt fandom. Football is a team sport and fantasy football isn't except for defense and special teams. Now if you're hoping for players to win for you they're not all going to be on the same team.
Let's say Tom Brady is on a kids fantasy team. He's not rooting for the Pats, he's rooting for Brady. So as the season progresses he's a player fan rather than a fan of a team.
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I've got my 13 month old nephew in his first Browns windbreaker. Did my part.
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I've got my 13 month old nephew in his first Browns windbreaker. Did my part.
miktoxic put me in my first Browns T-shirt and my son got me my first Browns blanket (and like Linus, I needed it this year). So they are to blame for my conversion, not JFF.
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I've got my 13 month old nephew in his first Browns windbreaker. Did my part.
now that's what i'm talkin bout nigga.
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Heard they're going to rename the Team to change/recharge the Fan base :
Cleveland Chianti Rosters!
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Well, I agree with just about everything you say....except your conclusion. Yes, I do think it makes this generation more fickle.
You said "loyalty starts with identifying with quality products for millenials". You failed to complete the thought inherent in your statement though: without the quality product, loyalty shifts to a different quality product. That is the implication I am reading into that.
Fair enough, it was my fault. I meant that the entry barrier for this generation is quality. Millennials in general remain loyal to the brands that they originally purchased, partly because switching brands is admitting that their initial valuation may have been misplaced.
Millennials will research a product to determine which have the highest value at the time of their purchase, then will generally stick with that product regardless of how it plays out over time.
Take Apple for instance - despite the fact that they haven't been nearly as innovative since Steve Jobs passed, millennials remain fiercely brand loyal to Apple products because, for the vast majority, Apple offered the highest value at the time of entry for the largest share of millennials (early-to-mid 2000's for products). You have to remember that the millennial generation is in their 20's and early 30's now...so the entry barrier isn't now for most products, but 5-10 years ago. For this reason, you'll likely see a lot of Vikings, Patriots, Steelers, and Packers fans in their 20's with zero regional or familial affiliations to those geographic locations.
We may be arguing the same point, however, if you were talking Gen Z - who have shown to be more trendy and less loyal in their product purchases due to a number of factors, with social proof being a big one.
All in all, though, the problem with the Browns is multi-layered - they weren't winning over the past 10-15 years, therefore they weren't capturing the millennial market in their formative years, they aren't winning now to capture Gen Z'ers nor are they trendy enough to capture Gen Z'ers, and, because they missed the boat on millennials - there's a chance they won't be appealing to the children of millennials either.
(This is all excluding regional and familial ties, of course.)
Fair enough, it was my fault. I meant that the entry barrier for this generation is quality. Millennials in general remain loyal to the brands that they originally purchased, partly because switching brands is admitting that their initial valuation may have been misplaced.
Millennials will research a product to determine which have the highest value at the time of their purchase, then will generally stick with that product regardless of how it plays out over time.
Take Apple for instance - despite the fact that they haven't been nearly as innovative since Steve Jobs passed, millennials remain fiercely brand loyal to Apple products because, for the vast majority, Apple offered the highest value at the time of entry for the largest share of millennials (early-to-mid 2000's for products). You have to remember that the millennial generation is in their 20's and early 30's now...so the entry barrier isn't now for most products, but 5-10 years ago. For this reason, you'll likely see a lot of Vikings, Patriots, Steelers, and Packers fans in their 20's with zero regional or familial affiliations to those geographic locations.
We may be arguing the same point, however, if you were talking Gen Z - who have shown to be more trendy and less loyal in their product purchases due to a number of factors, with social proof being a big one.
All in all, though, the problem with the Browns is multi-layered - they weren't winning over the past 10-15 years, therefore they weren't capturing the millennial market in their formative years, they aren't winning now to capture Gen Z'ers nor are they trendy enough to capture Gen Z'ers, and, because they missed the boat on millennials - there's a chance they won't be appealing to the children of millennials either.
(This is all excluding regional and familial ties, of course.)
Now you are just confusing me with your listing of Generations?
the extent of my knowledge is That the Baby Boomer generation are those born 1946 to 1964.
Before that it was the Lost Generation, born 1929 to 1945. Before that the GI Generation born 1910 to 1928.
What came after the Baby Boomers? Is this Gen X?
1965 to 1982? Then after them? 1982 to 2000? Is this Gen Z?
Then was about kids born since 2000? Are these "Millenials"? I
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IMO fantasy football has hurt fandom. Football is a team sport and fantasy football isn't except for defense and special teams. Now if you're hoping for players to win for you they're not all going to be on the same team.
Let's say Tom Brady is on a kids fantasy team. He's not rooting for the Pats, he's rooting for Brady. So as the season progresses he's a player fan rather than a fan of a team.
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IMO fantasy football has hurt fandom. Football is a team sport and fantasy football isn't except for defense and special teams. Now if you're hoping for players to win for you they're not all going to be on the same team.
Let's say Tom Brady is on a kids fantasy team. He's not rooting for the Pats, he's rooting for Brady. So as the season progresses he's a player fan rather than a fan of a team.
Good point.
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Fair enough, it was my fault. I meant that the entry barrier for this generation is quality. Millennials in general remain loyal to the brands that they originally purchased, partly because switching brands is admitting that their initial valuation may have been misplaced.
Millennials will research a product to determine which have the highest value at the time of their purchase, then will generally stick with that product regardless of how it plays out over time.
Take Apple for instance - despite the fact that they haven't been nearly as innovative since Steve Jobs passed, millennials remain fiercely brand loyal to Apple products because, for the vast majority, Apple offered the highest value at the time of entry for the largest share of millennials (early-to-mid 2000's for products). You have to remember that the millennial generation is in their 20's and early 30's now...so the entry barrier isn't now for most products, but 5-10 years ago. For this reason, you'll likely see a lot of Vikings, Patriots, Steelers, and Packers fans in their 20's with zero regional or familial affiliations to those geographic locations.
We may be arguing the same point, however, if you were talking Gen Z - who have shown to be more trendy and less loyal in their product purchases due to a number of factors, with social proof being a big one.
All in all, though, the problem with the Browns is multi-layered - they weren't winning over the past 10-15 years, therefore they weren't capturing the millennial market in their formative years, they aren't winning now to capture Gen Z'ers nor are they trendy enough to capture Gen Z'ers, and, because they missed the boat on millennials - there's a chance they won't be appealing to the children of millennials either.
(This is all excluding regional and familial ties, of course.)
Now you are just confusing me with your listing of Generations?
the extent of my knowledge is That the Baby Boomer generation are those born 1946 to 1964.
Before that it was the Lost Generation, born 1929 to 1945. Before that the GI Generation born 1910 to 1928.
What came after the Baby Boomers? Is this Gen X?
1965 to 1982? Then after them? 1982 to 2000? Is this Gen Z?
Then was about kids born since 2000? Are these "Millenials"? I
Now you are just confusing me with your listing of Generations?
the extent of my knowledge is That the Baby Boomer generation are those born 1946 to 1964.
Before that it was the Lost Generation, born 1929 to 1945. Before that the GI Generation born 1910 to 1928.
What came after the Baby Boomers? Is this Gen X?
1965 to 1982? Then after them? 1982 to 2000? Is this Gen Z?
Then was about kids born since 2000? Are these "Millenials"? I
There are six living generations from a marketing standpoint.
GI - roughly 1901-1926. Children of WWI, fought in WW2.
Silents - roughly 1927- 1945. Korean/Vietnam War generation.
Baby Boomers - roughly 1946-1964. Yuppies. Rock and Roll. Credit.
Gen X - roughly 1965 -1980. Latch key kids. Entrepreneurs. Generally self-centric.
Gen Y/ Millennials - roughly 1981 - 2000. Brand loyal. Schedule/research focused. Collaborative.
Gen Z - 2000 - present. Eco-fatigue. Tech-savvy. Oversaturated with brands.
The last two are the ones I'm referring to.
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