Browns might have a huge problem brewing...
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I want to know if any of you have also had problems with your own kids or know people that are having issues converting their kids into fans? Maybe it's just happenstance that everyone I know has to varying degrees the same problem.
Daughter is 40 and I raised her right...
Still working on the grandkids, but their Dad is a Cowboys fan.
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VesnaKociper said:
I think your question, while sincere, and I don't mean this to be insulting, but points to the crux of the real problem; fans like you.
Let me explain. by definition, fan comes from fanatic, so a lot of the dynamic is polluted with emotion. However, Browns fans and media don't live in a world that most other people live in. I get people pissed off all the time by asking them to answer simple questions to back up their idiotic threads.
For instance. Joe Thomas according to most, is a future HOF'er. I simply ask, what stats make im equal to a Forrest Greg or Jerry Kramer? WInning teams? Playoffs? 1000 yard rushers? 3000 yard passers? wins against rivals? improved record?
The answer I get? You're fucked up man, why do you hate JT. But you see, THIS is what has killed the Cleveland Browns. Anything in life will die if you allow the bar to be lowered.
Let me ask you something, man; in other football towns, What Browns players could kids under 25 name? What Browns players would kids 25 or under line up to see? What Browns players do the NFL shows ache to have come on?
The most boring uniforms in the league, no hallmark players, no wins, no championships, no playoff appearances. No cheerleaders, no cool logo.........
It's not the kids man, it's YOU, and fans like you. Lerner gives the fans shit, and they support it. Haslam gives more shit, and the fans support it. NOW,,, we have a fortune teller and a guy named Sushi leading things. What The Fuck pray tell is their to be attracted to?
Hey, lets draft 10 more offensive linemen. That will REALLY reel in the fans.
So the answer is to stop watching the Browns. We should all stop. That will really encourage Haslem to keep the team here won't it?
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cause if we ain't watchin....nobody else is.
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VesnaKociper said:
Dude, what world do you live in? NOBODY cares about this fucking team outside of Cleveland.
At least stick to your own question. You asked why kids don't give a fuck about the Browns. I answered your question with direct reasons, and all you can retort with is "if we don't do it, who will"?
Do I want Haslam to find financial failure with the Browns? Yes, Forrest. THAT IS EXACTLY THE FUCKING POINT.
Supporting shit doesn't cause an owner to get better. It's like gubmint cheese, give a man a handout living and he will sit on his fucking ass his entire life. What part of Haslam will never have a winner can't penetrate your thick skull?
Look man, read your OWN POST and try to get past your ADD and have an original thought. If you know that young kids are not following this shit pile, ahhhhh.....do you think Haslam doesn't know that as well? So be honest, what would you do if you saw that the demographic of your team was aging and dying off?
Me? I would improve the experience. New uniforms that kicks ass, cheer leaders, top offensive and defensive players with reputation for exitement, wide-open balls to the wall football.
Haslam? Uniforms that are as ugly as the team is bad......... seriously, who they fuck would spend money on that ugly shit?
A restaurant gets a reputation for a shit product....do people stand in line to eat there?
The Browns show no effort to improve in 16 years ....people stand in line.
It's fans like YOU man. It's fans like you who don't have a fucking clue what really being a Browns fan is all about. Support shit, and you get served shit. There is no rocket science here. The Browns will be relocated by the 2012 season. If you don't think that's the purpose Haslam serves, then you are crazy. Move the fuckers for all I care. Send them to London and call them the Brittain Bangers. The Browns are doomed.
Ok lemme preface by saying much of what you say I do in some respects agree with. But....
Telling someone who's been loyal to a team his whole life and probably wouldn't watch much football if the Browns left again, that they don't know what being a Browns fan is all about? And I think that can be said of a lot of guys here. We're certainly not uncritical of the team and ticket sales will fall and jersey sales will not do much either. That's our way of telling the owner what he's doing ain't workin.
The alternative is to not watch football. I refuse to a chump two bit ngr and go pull for the ole Cowboys or some dumb shit like that. So what are we supposed to do? I "completely" agree with you about the lack of marketable players here. Completely agree. And as you can see from other threads, a lot of the fanbase wants the team to go get another chump little golden boy that they say will sit for a year but we all know he's gonna get tossed in toward the end of the season when McCown gets his nog cracked again......and he'll run for his life too and never be the same. We'll be right back here in a year or two saying oh no we can't take this budding superstar cause we need a QB blah blah blah.
I part ways with you though about OL like JT. I don't give a fuck about whether he's HOF or not...he at least kept our QB"s from taking blind side killshots. Yes it didn't amount to much cause they got hit from other parts of the line. But not using high picks on OL that can be the cornerstones of a great line for years and years is horribly short sighted. The skill positions play off what happens in the trenches. Get beasted on the lines and your skill guys production get's nerfed. That is basic football.
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VesnaKociper said:
A restaurant gets a reputation for a shit product....do people stand in line to eat there?
The Browns show no effort to improve in 16 years ....people stand in line.
You keep using this analogy......so, clearly, you don't understand the difference between a fan and a patron....
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VesnaKociper said:
A restaurant gets a reputation for a shit product....do people stand in line to eat there?
The Browns show no effort to improve in 16 years ....people stand in line.
You keep using this analogy......so, clearly, you don't understand the difference between a fan and a patron....
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Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
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I miss Air Coryell ... St. Louis and San Diego versions.
Saunders comes directly from that tree, while Hue Jack City started with Marty ... good mix, lets kick this shit off.
Z
Very cool. Right now Hue is headed in the right direction because he got the job. With all the front office movements there must have been a lot of politics before he came in and I bet Jimmy wasn't going to tolerate another shitshow.Zombo said:
I miss Air Coryell ... St. Louis and San Diego versions.
Saunders comes directly from that tree, while Hue Jack City started with Marty ... good mix, lets kick this shit off.
Z
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Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
Gip,
IMHO this lack of lifetime loyalty was created, in large part, by free agency. These young people don't see the "Player to Team" & "Team to Player" loyalty that us older folks saw. When I was a kid, most players seemed to play their entire careers with one Team. They were your heroes for years & those players were linked to the Browns (or whatever Team you followed). Many of todays' players play for 2, 3 or more Teams throughout their careers. The days of kids growing up with a player or players spending entire careers on the hometown Team are virtually gone with very few exceptions.
Dylan..."The times, they are a changin"
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
Gip,
IMHO this lack of lifetime loyalty was created, in large part, by free agency. These young people don't see the "Player to Team" & "Team to Player" loyalty that us older folks saw. When I was a kid, most players seemed to play their entire careers with one Team. They were your heroes for years & those players were linked to the Browns (or whatever Team you followed). Many of todays' players play for 2, 3 or more Teams throughout their careers. The days of kids growing up with a player or players spending entire careers on the hometown Team are virtually gone with very few exceptions.
Dylan..."The times, they are a changin"
Mike
Very good point. It's like this way in baseball too.Gip,
IMHO this lack of lifetime loyalty was created, in large part, by free agency. These young people don't see the "Player to Team" & "Team to Player" loyalty that us older folks saw. When I was a kid, most players seemed to play their entire careers with one Team. They were your heroes for years & those players were linked to the Browns (or whatever Team you followed). Many of todays' players play for 2, 3 or more Teams throughout their careers. The days of kids growing up with a player or players spending entire careers on the hometown Team are virtually gone with very few exceptions.
Dylan..."The times, they are a changin"
Mike
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Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
This generation is no different than any other generation in that respect. There would have been no "older generation" of Browns fans had they not torn apart the AAFC and then the NFL in its infancy.
Sure, there would have been some just solely based on proximity, as it was near impossible to be a fan of another team when you couldn't readily see or hear them. But the city of Cleveland would have likely just forgotten about the Browns if they didn't start fast and strong with PB.
Just like they've forgotten about them now.
I find it hilarious when other generations try to pile on millenials despite the fact that there have been infinitely more societal, technological, ethical, and educational dvancements during this time than during that of both baby boomers and Gen Xers.
I remember when frankfurters cost a nickel and you had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow both ways to go to the corner store for some good taffy.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Wow. This entire thread just baffles me.
To address the OP, why do you think you can 'breed' Browns fans?
Your kids should follow this team because they were born here? Or because you 'taught' them to?
I'm not getting that at all. Can't they make up their own minds?
Some of the responses throw me, as well.
What does it mean to be a 'real' Browns' fan if you only follow them if they win? Or if their cheerleaders are nova and their uniforms are cuul?
Absolutely agree that their Marketing department should be challenged to sell this pile of dawg crap to the world.
That's why they get paid. Tough sell though, because I can't remember turning on a Chargers game because of the Harry Potter lightening bolt on their uniforms or watching any team for their cheerleaders.
I also don't buy the Browns crap.
No jerseys. No cheerleader posters. No tickets.
Yet, I'm STILL a Browns fan.
It's more a measure of a fan to continue to follow 'your' team - especially when they're losing - than it is to say you only follow a winner - or, failing that, the one who markets themselves with the cuul merchandise or nova cheerleaders.
BTW, the Browns DO have one marketable player.
Johnny Manziel.
Every whiff or hint of a remote story about this guy made national coverage over the last two years.
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Interesting post, and many good points. Speaks to my heart as l am finding it a difficult to convert my own daughter to "Brownieism."
I don't think it's any secret that being part of a family and rooting for a particular sports team has a certain binding property that goes beyond the sport or team itself. It's a common connection.
I know personally the teams l root for has a shit ton to do with my family, snd l'm sure that's not an uncommon story. And when it comes to families, especially men in families, we aren't too keen on talking about shit like feelings. So instead we talk about how the Tribe did last night. Or how we think Hue Jackson will do as a coach.
The points about how it's not just a geographical thing anymore, and how instead of there being team centric interest it's more interest in the superstar player of the moment. Both very good points. And both likely influenced by the internet and easy access to information, as well as free agency.
Which oddly enough was something l thought l could exploit in my attempts to convert my daughter to "Brownieism."
Johnny Manziel! Hell yes, that'll get it done. Or not...
Granted she is a busy kid, plays sports herself, travel ball, yadda yadda. I think D Bone feels my pain.
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Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
Gip,
IMHO this lack of lifetime loyalty was created, in large part, by free agency. These young people don't see the "Player to Team" & "Team to Player" loyalty that us older folks saw. When I was a kid, most players seemed to play their entire careers with one Team. They were your heroes for years & those players were linked to the Browns (or whatever Team you followed). Many of todays' players play for 2, 3 or more Teams throughout their careers. The days of kids growing up with a player or players spending entire careers on the hometown Team are virtually gone with very few exceptions.
Dylan..."The times, they are a changin"
Mike
Gip,
IMHO this lack of lifetime loyalty was created, in large part, by free agency. These young people don't see the "Player to Team" & "Team to Player" loyalty that us older folks saw. When I was a kid, most players seemed to play their entire careers with one Team. They were your heroes for years & those players were linked to the Browns (or whatever Team you followed). Many of todays' players play for 2, 3 or more Teams throughout their careers. The days of kids growing up with a player or players spending entire careers on the hometown Team are virtually gone with very few exceptions.
Dylan..."The times, they are a changin"
Mike
I suppose that is true Mike. It has helped that the local team has sucked....so even with player movement if the local team is winning there is not the temptation to looke elsewhere.
Of course, my...and your loyalties are with the roots.....the city, the region. Such a mobile society has no roots....and no local loyalties....so they just jump on the nearest bandwagon.
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Bottom line: this younger generation may be the FRAK generation.
My son has no interest in sports at all.....so its not like we are losing him to another team. He just doesn't like sports (except fishing)
My daughter is a Cowboys or Texans fans....she can't make up her mind. But she lives in Texas.
But, overall, this generation is full of FRAKs. They root for whomever is good.
Like LeBron.....became Cowboys and Yankees fans, because they were winning when he was young and he is a FRAK
Take Ben Roethlisberger. From Findlay OH......which is about equidistant from Cleveland/Cinci/Detroit. He didn't like any of them because they were not winning. He was a 49er fan because they were.
It is basically an entire generation of fickle pussies out there.
So? What else is new?
This generation is no different than any other generation in that respect. There would have been no "older generation" of Browns fans had they not torn apart the AAFC and then the NFL in its infancy.
Sure, there would have been some just solely based on proximity, as it was near impossible to be a fan of another team when you couldn't readily see or hear them. But the city of Cleveland would have likely just forgotten about the Browns if they didn't start fast and strong with PB.
Just like they've forgotten about them now.
I find it hilarious when other generations try to pile on millenials despite the fact that there have been infinitely more societal, technological, ethical, and educational dvancements during this time than during that of both baby boomers and Gen Xers.
I remember when frankfurters cost a nickel and you had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow both ways to go to the corner store for some good taffy.
This generation is no different than any other generation in that respect. There would have been no "older generation" of Browns fans had they not torn apart the AAFC and then the NFL in its infancy.
Sure, there would have been some just solely based on proximity, as it was near impossible to be a fan of another team when you couldn't readily see or hear them. But the city of Cleveland would have likely just forgotten about the Browns if they didn't start fast and strong with PB.
I honestly don't think that is true. Again, you assume lack of loyalty because your generation doesn't really have it. You are applying the traits of your generation on to ours...and that cannot be done any more than you can apply the traits of our generation onto yours.
Just like they've forgotten about them now.
I don't think they have forgotten....merely repressed those memories.
I find it hilarious when other generations try to pile on millenials despite the fact that there have been infinitely more societal, technological, ethical, and educational dvancements during this time than during that of both baby boomers and Gen Xers.
And again, you try to do the exact opposite.
I remember when frankfurters cost a nickel and you had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow both ways to go to the corner store for some good taffy.
That would not be the Baby Boomers, that would be the GI Generation...and before.
But, guess what? Perhaps early aspect of the Baby Boomer Generation are coming back: I saw gas this morning for 49 cents per gallon!!
It was E85 gas....but it was gas.
I paid 1.64 for regular.
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This generation is no different than any other generation in that respect. There would have been no "older generation" of Browns fans had they not torn apart the AAFC and then the NFL in its infancy.
Sure, there would have been some just solely based on proximity, as it was near impossible to be a fan of another team when you couldn't readily see or hear them. But the city of Cleveland would have likely just forgotten about the Browns if they didn't start fast and strong with PB.
I honestly don't think that is true. Again, you assume lack of loyalty because your generation doesn't really have it. You are applying the traits of your generation on to ours...and that cannot be done any more than you can apply the traits of our generation onto yours.
Just like they've forgotten about them now.
I don't think they have forgotten....merely repressed those memories.
I find it hilarious when other generations try to pile on millenials despite the fact that there have been infinitely more societal, technological, ethical, and educational dvancements during this time than during that of both baby boomers and Gen Xers.
And again, you try to do the exact opposite.
I remember when frankfurters cost a nickel and you had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow both ways to go to the corner store for some good taffy.
That would not be the Baby Boomers, that would be the GI Generation...and before.
But, guess what? Perhaps early aspect of the Baby Boomer Generation are coming back: I saw gas this morning for 49 cents per gallon!!
It was E85 gas....but it was gas.
I paid 1.64 for regular.
This generation is no different than any other generation in that respect. There would have been no "older generation" of Browns fans had they not torn apart the AAFC and then the NFL in its infancy.
Sure, there would have been some just solely based on proximity, as it was near impossible to be a fan of another team when you couldn't readily see or hear them. But the city of Cleveland would have likely just forgotten about the Browns if they didn't start fast and strong with PB.
I honestly don't think that is true. Again, you assume lack of loyalty because your generation doesn't really have it. You are applying the traits of your generation on to ours...and that cannot be done any more than you can apply the traits of our generation onto yours.
Just like they've forgotten about them now.
I don't think they have forgotten....merely repressed those memories.
I find it hilarious when other generations try to pile on millenials despite the fact that there have been infinitely more societal, technological, ethical, and educational dvancements during this time than during that of both baby boomers and Gen Xers.
And again, you try to do the exact opposite.
I remember when frankfurters cost a nickel and you had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow both ways to go to the corner store for some good taffy.
That would not be the Baby Boomers, that would be the GI Generation...and before.
But, guess what? Perhaps early aspect of the Baby Boomer Generation are coming back: I saw gas this morning for 49 cents per gallon!!
It was E85 gas....but it was gas.
I paid 1.64 for regular
There are many aspects of past generations I wish were still prevalent - mainly in terms of music and culture. But the relentlessly piling on of millennials is, to me, unfounded - especially when it comes to loyalty. Sports-wise, there may be a better case for it, but millennials have shown to be fiercely brand loyal in a number of market research studies, moreso than other generations. However, that loyalty starts with identifying quality products, which the Browns haven't been throughout a majority of most millennials life-cycles.
This age of connectivity makes it easier to root for teams from anywhere in the nation and, as such, makes it easier for the casual fan to "follow" the sport. So it's not outside the realm of reason that there'd be more bandwagoning in today's age. Doesn't make the generation more fickle.
I bought a Panthers hat, after all. Can't be rooting for Denver.
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This generation is no different than any other generation in that respect. There would have been no "older generation" of Browns fans had they not torn apart the AAFC and then the NFL in its infancy.
Sure, there would have been some just solely based on proximity, as it was near impossible to be a fan of another team when you couldn't readily see or hear them. But the city of Cleveland would have likely just forgotten about the Browns if they didn't start fast and strong with PB.
I honestly don't think that is true. Again, you assume lack of loyalty because your generation doesn't really have it. You are applying the traits of your generation on to ours...and that cannot be done any more than you can apply the traits of our generation onto yours.
Just like they've forgotten about them now.
I don't think they have forgotten....merely repressed those memories.
I find it hilarious when other generations try to pile on millenials despite the fact that there have been infinitely more societal, technological, ethical, and educational dvancements during this time than during that of both baby boomers and Gen Xers.
And again, you try to do the exact opposite.
I remember when frankfurters cost a nickel and you had to walk 10 miles uphill in the snow both ways to go to the corner store for some good taffy.
That would not be the Baby Boomers, that would be the GI Generation...and before.
But, guess what? Perhaps early aspect of the Baby Boomer Generation are coming back: I saw gas this morning for 49 cents per gallon!!
It was E85 gas....but it was gas.
I paid 1.64 for regular
There are many aspects of past generations I wish were still prevalent - mainly in terms of music and culture. But the relentlessly piling on of millennials is, to me, unfounded - especially when it comes to loyalty. Sports-wise, there may be a better case for it, but millennials have shown to be fiercely brand loyal in a number of market research studies, moreso than other generations. However, that loyalty starts with identifying quality products, which the Browns haven't been throughout a majority of most millennials life-cycles.
This age of connectivity makes it easier to root for teams from anywhere in the nation and, as such, makes it easier for the casual fan to "follow" the sport. So it's not outside the realm of reason that there'd be more bandwagoning in today's age. Doesn't make the generation more fickle.
I bought a Panthers hat, after all. Can't be rooting for Denver.
There are many aspects of past generations I wish were still prevalent - mainly in terms of music and culture. But the relentlessly piling on of millennials is, to me, unfounded - especially when it comes to loyalty. Sports-wise, there may be a better case for it, but millennials have shown to be fiercely brand loyal in a number of market research studies, moreso than other generations. However, that loyalty starts with identifying quality products, which the Browns haven't been throughout a majority of most millennials life-cycles.
This age of connectivity makes it easier to root for teams from anywhere in the nation and, as such, makes it easier for the casual fan to "follow" the sport. So it's not outside the realm of reason that there'd be more bandwagoning in today's age. Doesn't make the generation more fickle.
I bought a Panthers hat, after all. Can't be rooting for Denver.
Well, I agree with just about everything you say....except your conclusion. Yes, I do think it makes this generation more fickle.
You said "loyalty starts with identifying with quality products for millenials". You failed to complete the thought inherent in your statement though: without the quality product, loyalty shifts to a different quality product. That is the implication I am reading into that.
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There are many aspects of past generations I wish were still prevalent - mainly in terms of music and culture. But the relentlessly piling on of millennials is, to me, unfounded - especially when it comes to loyalty. Sports-wise, there may be a better case for it, but millennials have shown to be fiercely brand loyal in a number of market research studies, moreso than other generations. However, that loyalty starts with identifying quality products, which the Browns haven't been throughout a majority of most millennials life-cycles.
This age of connectivity makes it easier to root for teams from anywhere in the nation and, as such, makes it easier for the casual fan to "follow" the sport. So it's not outside the realm of reason that there'd be more bandwagoning in today's age. Doesn't make the generation more fickle.
I bought a Panthers hat, after all. Can't be rooting for Denver.
Well, I agree with just about everything you say....except your conclusion. Yes, I do think it makes this generation more fickle.
You said "loyalty starts with identifying with quality products for millenials". You failed to complete the thought inherent in your statement though: without the quality product, loyalty shifts to a different quality product. That is the implication I am reading into that.
Well, I agree with just about everything you say....except your conclusion. Yes, I do think it makes this generation more fickle.
You said "loyalty starts with identifying with quality products for millenials". You failed to complete the thought inherent in your statement though: without the quality product, loyalty shifts to a different quality product. That is the implication I am reading into that.
Fair enough, it was my fault. I meant that the entry barrier for this generation is quality. Millennials in general remain loyal to the brands that they originally purchased, partly because switching brands is admitting that their initial valuation may have been misplaced.
Millennials will research a product to determine which have the highest value at the time of their purchase, then will generally stick with that product regardless of how it plays out over time.
Take Apple for instance - despite the fact that they haven't been nearly as innovative since Steve Jobs passed, millennials remain fiercely brand loyal to Apple products because, for the vast majority, Apple offered the highest value at the time of entry for the largest share of millennials (early-to-mid 2000's for products). You have to remember that the millennial generation is in their 20's and early 30's now...so the entry barrier isn't now for most products, but 5-10 years ago. For this reason, you'll likely see a lot of Vikings, Patriots, Steelers, and Packers fans in their 20's with zero regional or familial affiliations to those geographic locations.
We may be arguing the same point, however, if you were talking Gen Z - who have shown to be more trendy and less loyal in their product purchases due to a number of factors, with social proof being a big one.
All in all, though, the problem with the Browns is multi-layered - they weren't winning over the past 10-15 years, therefore they weren't capturing the millennial market in their formative years, they aren't winning now to capture Gen Z'ers nor are they trendy enough to capture Gen Z'ers, and, because they missed the boat on millennials - there's a chance they won't be appealing to the children of millennials either.
(This is all excluding regional and familial ties, of course.)
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Wow. This entire thread just baffles me.
To address the OP, why do you think you can 'breed' Browns fans?
Your kids should follow this team because they were born here? Or because you 'taught' them to?
I'm not getting that at all. Can't they make up their own minds?
Some of the responses throw me, as well.
What does it mean to be a 'real' Browns' fan if you only follow them if they win? Or if their cheerleaders are nova and their uniforms are cuul?
Absolutely agree that their Marketing department should be challenged to sell this pile of dawg crap to the world.
That's why they get paid. Tough sell though, because I can't remember turning on a Chargers game because of the Harry Potter lightening bolt on their uniforms or watching any team for their cheerleaders.
I also don't buy the Browns crap.
No jerseys. No cheerleader posters. No tickets.
Yet, I'm STILL a Browns fan.
It's more a measure of a fan to continue to follow 'your' team - especially when they're losing - than it is to say you only follow a winner - or, failing that, the one who markets themselves with the cuul merchandise or nova cheerleaders.
BTW, the Browns DO have one marketable player.
Johnny Manziel.
Every whiff or hint of a remote story about this guy made national coverage over the last two years.
Wow. This entire thread just baffles me.
To address the OP, why do you think you can 'breed' Browns fans?
Your kids should follow this team because they were born here? Or because you 'taught' them to?
I'm not getting that at all. Can't they make up their own minds?
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I would agree with you on any other subject "except" when it comes to the Browns. You can also have other auxiliary teams you casually enjoy watching. I had the 49'ers, until they tore up that defense, and the Colts...now just them...as teams I watch when their game is on. I'll probably also follow to some extent whatever team Bosa lands on cause he'll probably be a kick to watch. But that's "casual". I'm sorry but if you grow up around here you ought to be Browns fan first and foremost. Teams in big markets can and always will pull fans from all over so they have that income. The Browns "need" the diehard Browns fans. That goes for all teams not in the big elite cities that most players want to go play for. Do you think the Dolphins give a whole lot of fucks about the immediate area? Of course not, they'll always have players that wouldn't mind going there cause of south beach...just the way it is. Teams like Cleveland cannot compete with those kind of cities based on those superficial qualities. We "have" to be among the most loyal fanbase in all of sports, it's one of the teams selling points.
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IMO fantasy football has hurt fandom. Football is a team sport and fantasy football isn't except for defense and special teams. Now if you're hoping for players to win for you they're not all going to be on the same team.
Let's say Tom Brady is on a kids fantasy team. He's not rooting for the Pats, he's rooting for Brady. So as the season progresses he's a player fan rather than a fan of a team.
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