Jonathan Paul Manziel
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And again being photographed in a nightclub ON AN OFF DAY had nothing to do with his success or failure on the field. Coach decided to teach him a lesson and throw away a couple games with Austin Davis. Billy didn't clean his room kids so nobody gets to go to Cedar Point. Thanks dad.
WSS
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Awww, the 'emotions' retort has come out - been hanging out with Cal recently?
Your infatuation has been reaching 'Poetic' levels recently. I'll grant you, in isolation, none of the things he's done are earth shatteringly bad. But string them together and it paints a picture of a spoilt kid who can't handle not getting his way.What has he done to imbue such loyalty in you? We won two games with him - against the titans and 49ers. In both cases our D won us the game, or maybe you don't remember us getting a combined 16 sacks in those two games? He made a nice throw at the start and end of the TN game, and was distinctly average in between. Against SF he looked distinctly average, while his running backs went for 230 yards and a couple of scores.
So I ask again, why the staunch defence?
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Word is he'll be cut.
I TOLD YOU SO!!!
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My infatuation as you call it is just because I'm in the minority. And every anti Johnny, anti Browns negative ass hole spends half their day screeching about my new show and calling anybody who supports the kid a cum guzzler a faggot etcetera etcetera.
And why my defense? Am I the only guy who's sick of reshuffling the deck every two years shitcanning the last regimes guys and going four + 12 or three and 13?
That appeals to you Chris?
If Weeb Eubamk would have taken Mike Pettine' route with Joe Namath we wouldn't remember their names today.
Plus I take it more seriously because it affects my life for over 16 weeks out of the year, well more than any group of ass clown politicians can in 4 years.
WSS
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By the way Chris, the highest paid defense in the league should have played that way every fucking week.
WSS
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I think you have me mistaken for someone who thinks Mike pettine can do no wrong.
No, blowing everything up every two years doesn't appeal to me, which is why I wanted to keep pettine. I wanted stability in the organisation, and a head coach is a bit more important in that regard than a backup QB. I was fully on the manziel express when he was keeping his nose clean and drug free while looking half competent. After the TN game I thought hey, maybe this kid could be good if he continues to work hard and stay out of trouble. He did for a while, but then fell off the clean wagon quite spectacularly.
I suspect he needs some alone time to figure out his priorities, and maybe he goes elsewhere and is productive, but it just won't be in Cleveland. He's lost the respect of a lotto important people and players, so it's difficult to see us winning with him as starter, and if he's not starting, he's not worth keeping around.
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Frankly I think we could have given every head coach and quarterback combination another year.
Blowing things up hasn't worked so far.
But again if the kid has the talent to be successful elsewhere he's got the talent to be successful here and that's the job of our coaching staff just the same as it's the job of the coaching staff on any other team.
But it's also the job of that coaching staff to make sure the defense plays well.
WSS
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No, he didn't.
This isn't some kind of inarguable fact - he's done nothing.
It is a fact, you just won't admit it because it shows you for the ass hole that you are.
You can't find too many of those so called experts Mark uses as proof of Jackson's qualifications who will agree with you.
WSS
It is a fact, you just won't admit it because it shows you for the ass hole that you are.
Keep whining, loser. You've got nothing and you know it, and because you have zero fact you resort only to personal insults.
Not only does the insult not "prove" anything.. it actually shows that you've got absolutely zip to back up your vague assertion.
Show these magical "facts" asserting what Manziel "proved" - or they don't exist.
You want to make a case for him? Then make it. It's on you to state your hypothesis and show evidence. Unless, of course, you as a person are just another worthless liar. And that's fine, if that's the best you can do!
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Johnny is apparently telling people the Cowboys, Rams, and Chiefs are interested in him reported by Ed Werder at ESPN. Which he hasn't heard directly from them of course because that'd be collusion.
I can imagine though
"Hey Johnny you probably shouldn't take a selfie video giving the finger and chugging a bottle of don julio"
"Nah man it's cool the Cowboys, Rams, and Chiefs still want me"
That's collusion, plain & simple. You're not allowed to talk to a player under contract with another team until- pick a date. That date is not now.
My Lord that's sad...
lol... well can always start counting up... kind of a BC/AD thing...
We know the "talent assessment" debate has the legs to be a contentious topic for a long, long time.
The show must... you know...
Go on!
I didn't get that one Tour... I got a better one, see below.
You're some California fag who claims to be a Browns fan. I'll bet you and mz the pussy the pussy the pussy are best friends.
Speaking of Johnny Fags, suck this one up....
That's collusion, plain & simple. You're not allowed to talk to a player under contract with another team until- pick a date. That date is not now.
Probably is more just drunk Johnny or his people telling people that to try to get people to talk about something other than being searched down by helicopter.
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It is a fact, you just won't admit it because it shows you for the ass hole that you are.
Keep whining, loser. You've got nothing and you know it, and because you have zero fact you resort only to personal insults.
Not only does the insult not "prove" anything.. it actually shows that you've got absolutely zip to back up your vague assertion.
Show these magical "facts" asserting what Manziel "proved" - or they don't exist.
You want to make a case for him? Then make it. It's on you to state your hypothesis and show evidence. Unless, of course, you as a person are just another worthless liar. And that's fine, if that's the best you can do!
Keep whining, loser. You've got nothing and you know it, and because you have zero fact you resort only to personal insults.
Not only does the insult not "prove" anything.. it actually shows that you've got absolutely zip to back up your vague assertion.
Show these magical "facts" asserting what Manziel "proved" - or they don't exist.
Insults? I think no matter which side of this debate people are on you would rank near the top of the negative ass hole list.
I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
I'm guessing you're a Steelers fan or a troll but maybe just a prick.
WSS
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That's collusion, plain & simple. You're not allowed to talk to a player under contract with another team until- pick a date. That date is not now.
Probably is more just drunk Johnny or his people telling people that to try to get people to talk about something other than being searched down by helicopter.
Probably is more just drunk Johnny or his people telling people that to try to get people to talk about something other than being searched down by helicopter.
Or just maybe he reads the Internet, watches TV or listen to the radio where that kind of talk is repeated over and over whether or not it substantiated.
WSS
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Keep whining, loser. You've got nothing and you know it, and because you have zero fact you resort only to personal insults.
Not only does the insult not "prove" anything.. it actually shows that you've got absolutely zip to back up your vague assertion.
Show these magical "facts" asserting what Manziel "proved" - or they don't exist.
Insults? I think no matter which side of this debate people are on you would rank near the top of the negative ass hole list.
I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
I'm guessing you're a Steelers fan or a troll but maybe just a prick.
WSS
Insults? I think no matter which side of this debate people are on you would rank near the top of the negative ass hole list.
I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
Other people want to see exactly what you're basing your support for Boyziel on. I know nobody disagrees with that.
Other people also think you're more negative than me.
This game is fun!
Still waiting for that proof of Manziel's talent.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Insults? I think no matter which side of this debate people are on you would rank near the top of the negative ass hole list.
I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
Other people want to see exactly what you're basing your support for Boyziel on. I know nobody disagrees with that.
Other people also think you're more negative than me.
This game is fun!
Still waiting for that proof of Manziel's talent.
Still waiting for that proof of Manziel's talent.
I bet he can chug Das Boot and execute the turn perfectly. That's a talent.
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Insults? I think no matter which side of this debate people are on you would rank near the top of the negative ass hole list.
I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
Other people want to see exactly what you're basing your support for Boyziel on. I know nobody disagrees with that.
Other people also think you're more negative than me.
This game is fun!
Still waiting for that proof of Manziel's talent.
Well you can't have that proof because first of all coach kept him on the bench for punishment and second of all last year we were the worst team in the league. No matter who played quarterback.Other people want to see exactly what you're basing your support for Boyziel on. I know nobody disagrees with that.
Other people also think you're more negative than me.
This game is fun!
Still waiting for that proof of Manziel's talent.
So if you say he made absolutely no progress and is completely unfit to play in the NFL then who can argue with you unless you start somewhere?
I haven't seen any sports writers or sports pundits express that sentiment though.
WSS
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Well you can't have that proof because first of all coach kept him on the bench for punishment and second of all last year we were the worst team in the league. No matter who played quarterback.Other people want to see exactly what you're basing your support for Boyziel on. I know nobody disagrees with that.
Other people also think you're more negative than me.
This game is fun!
Still waiting for that proof of Manziel's talent.
So if you say he made absolutely no progress and is completely unfit to play in the NFL then who can argue with you unless you start somewhere?
I haven't seen any sports writers or sports pundits express that sentiment though.
WSS
Well you can't have that proof because first of all coach kept him on the bench for punishment and second of all last year we were the worst team in the league. No matter who played quarterback.
So if you say he made absolutely no progress and is completely unfit to play in the NFL then who can argue with you unless you start somewhere?
I haven't seen any sports writers or sports pundits express that sentiment though.
WSS
Progress isn't sufficient. Put me in an NFL training camp for two years and I'll make a ton of progress. And do my best not to get shitfaced at every opportunity.
Plenty of people have said he's not good enough. But if you're looking for statistics, his completion rate is 57%, his TD:INT ratio is 7:7, basically all of his stats are lower than every other QB in the league. Even Brian Hoyer :S
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Insults? I think no matter which side of this debate people are on you would rank near the top of the negative ass hole list.
I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
Other people want to see exactly what you're basing your support for Boyziel on. I know nobody disagrees with that.
Other people also think you're more negative than me.
This game is fun!
Still waiting for that proof of Manziel's talent.
Still waiting for that proof of Manziel's talent.
Well you can't have that proof because first of all coach kept him on the bench for punishment and second of all last year we were the worst team in the league. No matter who played quarterback.
Derek Carr looked pretty good on a 3-13 team. You dont need a good team to play well or look like a pro. Bad teams everywhere are full of great players and we all know who they are.
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Johnny Manziel has had a drinking/partying problem since he was in high school. I don't see him changing one bit. He had problems in college, and he's had problems with the very same things for his two year NFL "career", if you can call it that. Anyone (WSS) who wants to hold on to this kid and give him another chance is an idiot.
He's a train wreck. I'll truly be shocked if ANY other team signs him. I fear bad things for his future unless he gets his life turned around. He's gonna party himself to death........literally.
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All of that may be true including your psychiatric evaluation of me, but it didn't have an effect on his performance during the 2015 season.
WSS
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Well you can't have that proof because first of all coach kept him on the bench for punishment and second of all last year we were the worst team in the league. No matter who played quarterback.Other people want to see exactly what you're basing your support for Boyziel on. I know nobody disagrees with that.
Other people also think you're more negative than me.
This game is fun!
Still waiting for that proof of Manziel's talent.
So if you say he made absolutely no progress and is completely unfit to play in the NFL then who can argue with you unless you start somewhere?
I haven't seen any sports writers or sports pundits express that sentiment though.
WSS
So if you say he made absolutely no progress and is completely unfit to play in the NFL then who can argue with you unless you start somewhere?
I haven't seen any sports writers or sports pundits express that sentiment though.
WSS
I think he did make progress. However....it would've been nearly impossible to not make progress from the guy who started the Bengals game in year 1 and looked like a 12 year old kid thrown out to play with the grown ups. Taking all the off field nonsense out of the equation....In my opinion, I'm still not convinced he's going to be a guy who can lead this team to wins. The KC game was an example of just how bad his mechanics are, Rich Gannon (I think) pointed it out all game how bad his footwork was and how that was leading to how inaccurate his passes were. Can that be fixed? Sure....quite possibly but my question (if he was staying on the team) would be, does he really have the work ethic to spend all of his waking hours working his ass off to get better? His actions to this point don't show that to me so even without all the off the field stuff, I don't think he's the guy.
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