Camp Goff
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If you are talking about Tacosman's statement, I happen to think he is right.
NO ONE has a clue if any or which one of these QBs will be an outstanding QB.
After all.....most people had Weeden a low 1st or 2d rounder.
No one had Russell Wilson up there that year.
And of course there is obviously the Tom Brady example. And on the opposite extreme the Jamarcus Russell example.
You know nothing Jon Snow.
The comment concerned TacoCabana clearly relishing his ignorance with an overreliance on "no one can predict" (which ironically happens to be a prediction). If you are eager to share that stance, then I'll gladly lump you in with him.
Myself... I prefer to argue my own opinion based upon my own observations. Doesn't mean I will be right in any particular case, but overall I like my odds.
I may know nothing, but at least I'm working to fill the void.
Just because i've been right every damn time on every damn thing since I've come in here doesn't mean I know everything......and I'm not afraid to admit it.
One... do I have to drag out your introductory posts on Manziel again?
Two... do you realize how your opening undermines everything that follows?
My money is still on you being a trolling alt...
The comment concerned TacoCabana clearly relishing his ignorance with an overreliance on "no one can predict" (which ironically happens to be a prediction). If you are eager to share that stance, then I'll gladly lump you in with him.
You can lump me in with him....that is fine......because that happens to be the correct thought process in this discussion.
Myself... I prefer to argue my own opinion based upon my own observations. Doesn't mean I will be right in any particular case, but overall I like my odds.
I may know nothing, but at least I'm working to fill the void.
One... do I have to drag out your introductory posts on Manziel again?
Not sure what you are talking about with Manziel. I thought we were talking about the QBs available in this draft.
You seem to be drifting Snow White.
Two... do you realize how your opening undermines everything that follows?
Again, not following what you are talking about. I save my opening statements for court. (or maybe you are talking to another person?)
My money is still on you being a trolling alt...
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I'm drifting? Look at the original post... two replies to two different posts.
And you do realize John Snow fucked the person who told him he knew nothing... don't you?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'm drifting? Look at the original post... two replies to two different posts.
And you do realize John Snow fucked the person who told him he knew nothing... don't you?
I'm drifting? Look at the original post... two replies to two different posts.
And you do realize John Snow fucked the person who told him he knew nothing... don't you?
When you quote your thread, only your replies come up, so it gets a little lost in translation when you reply to multiple posts. That is why I never do that.
And yes, I know about Jon Snow. And no, I am neither a chick nor gay....so I must respectfully decline your offer of sex.
Though I did have red hair like Igrett. It has faded with years.
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I don't think his arm strength is sub par for the NFL, but it definitely wouldn't be the best. It's definitely better than a Brian Hoyer anyway.I disagree. And to be clear, I like both him and Wentz a lot. I'm deciding if I like them No. 2 overall enough or not.
I'll try to find some clips later to show you what I'm talking about, and why it might be an issue.
How much do you think an NFL conditioning program could improve it?
I don't think his arm strength is sub par for the NFL, but it definitely wouldn't be the best. It's definitely better than a Brian Hoyer anyway.
How much do you think an NFL conditioning program could improve it?
Sure, he's a big kid and could definitely increase in those areas. But I think it's a big gap.
Am liking him more in other areas the more I watch, though. He throws with excellent touch. By that, I mean he changes velocity/arch in certain situations, and takes some speed off or adds at appropriate times. Arm is perfectly fine for about 40 yards. Baits/looks off defenders.
Ball placement at times seems poor, average mobility, college system (pre-snap, I can't tell very much. Also, I think he'll take a lot of sacks his rookie year) and deep ball are my biggest concerns.
Everything else looks tip top.
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Then we're seeing about the same thing...
On mobility...
For scrambling and running, whether it be for his life or a first down, I won't quibble with "average", but it's his movement inside the pocket that impresses the hell out of me. He just glides to safety seemingly without ever actually looking at the pressure.
Not only is his pocket movement not average IMO, I've been hard pressed to come up with a comparable. Big Ben may be as close as I can come.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Then we're seeing about the same thing...
On mobility...
For scrambling and running, whether it be for his life or a first down, I won't quibble with "average", but it's his movement inside the pocket that impresses the hell out of me. He just glides to safety seemingly without ever actually looking at the pressure.
Not only is his pocket movement not average IMO, I've been hard pressed to come up with a comparable. Big Ben may be as close as I can come.
but it's his movement inside the pocket that impresses the hell out of me. He just glides to safety seemingly without ever actually looking at the pressure.
Not only is his pocket movement not average IMO, I've been hard pressed to come up with a comparable. Big Ben may be as close as I can come.
I was thinking Big Ben myself in watching some of that move a bit this way, that way, up a bit, etc. while still focused on receivers. If we are going to take a QB first, then I'm leaning more Goff's way than the other two. Lynch hasn't shown me anything better than late 2nd / early 3rd rounder and I'm a bit prejudiced concerning quality of opponents when it comes between Goff and Wentz.
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Then we're seeing about the same thing...
On mobility...
For scrambling and running, whether it be for his life or a first down, I won't quibble with "average", but it's his movement inside the pocket that impresses the hell out of me. He just glides to safety seemingly without ever actually looking at the pressure.
Not only is his pocket movement not average IMO, I've been hard pressed to come up with a comparable. Big Ben may be as close as I can come.
Then we're seeing about the same thing...
On mobility...
For scrambling and running, whether it be for his life or a first down, I won't quibble with "average", but it's his movement inside the pocket that impresses the hell out of me. He just glides to safety seemingly without ever actually looking at the pressure.
Not only is his pocket movement not average IMO, I've been hard pressed to come up with a comparable. Big Ben may be as close as I can come.
By mobility I meant improv/scrambling, athleticism and extending plays looks average (call it the Johnny Grade, but I know you won't lol), maybe even a little above that, to me. Which isn't bad. Because 90% of QBs can't do that well, and very few these days who can't, can play in the NFL.
I'd attribute your description and pocket movement to pocket presence. Which is very good, but it's a different grade for me.
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From everything I've seen and read Goff is the better prospect than Wentz. Dan Brugler of CBS sports compares Wentz to Alex Smith. Not sure that's a good thing. It's Goff at # 2.
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@TonyGrossi
Bumped into an ex #Browns player - no names, please - who said he was in company of Jared Goff & Goff was grilling him on playing in Cleve.
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Then we're seeing about the same thing...
On mobility...
For scrambling and running, whether it be for his life or a first down, I won't quibble with "average", but it's his movement inside the pocket that impresses the hell out of me. He just glides to safety seemingly without ever actually looking at the pressure.
Not only is his pocket movement not average IMO, I've been hard pressed to come up with a comparable. Big Ben may be as close as I can come.
By mobility I meant improv/scrambling, athleticism and extending plays looks average (call it the Johnny Grade, but I know you won't lol), maybe even a little above that, to me. Which isn't bad. Because 90% of QBs can't do that well, and very few these days who can't, can play in the NFL.
I'd attribute your description and pocket movement to pocket presence. Which is very good, but it's a different grade for me.
By mobility I meant improv/scrambling, athleticism and extending plays looks average (call it the Johnny Grade, but I know you won't lol), maybe even a little above that, to me. Which isn't bad. Because 90% of QBs can't do that well, and very few these days who can't, can play in the NFL.
I'd attribute your description and pocket movement to pocket presence. Which is very good, but it's a different grade for me.
lol... I can accept "Johnny grade"... just don't try to convince me that Johnny sets the standard...
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Goff doesn't have a rocket arm, but that's fine by me. As long as he can make progressions, deliver the ball accurately and avoid pressure in the pocket, I'm good. Rocket arms fail far more often than rocket minds.
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Then we're seeing about the same thing...
On mobility...
For scrambling and running, whether it be for his life or a first down, I won't quibble with "average", but it's his movement inside the pocket that impresses the hell out of me. He just glides to safety seemingly without ever actually looking at the pressure.
Not only is his pocket movement not average IMO, I've been hard pressed to come up with a comparable. Big Ben may be as close as I can come.
Then we're seeing about the same thing...
On mobility...
For scrambling and running, whether it be for his life or a first down, I won't quibble with "average", but it's his movement inside the pocket that impresses the hell out of me. He just glides to safety seemingly without ever actually looking at the pressure.
Not only is his pocket movement not average IMO, I've been hard pressed to come up with a comparable. Big Ben may be as close as I can come.
This jumped out to me too. That pocket presence is filthy.
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Then we're seeing about the same thing...
On mobility...
For scrambling and running, whether it be for his life or a first down, I won't quibble with "average", but it's his movement inside the pocket that impresses the hell out of me. He just glides to safety seemingly without ever actually looking at the pressure.
Not only is his pocket movement not average IMO, I've been hard pressed to come up with a comparable. Big Ben may be as close as I can come.
This jumped out to me too. That pocket presence is filthy.
This jumped out to me too. That pocket presence is filthy.
I think everyone that's watched him comes away with some things, maybe different, but every single person has noted his pocket presence. It's like he's gliding away from the pressure. Blitzing linebackers get sidestepped like nothing.
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This jumped out to me too. That pocket presence is filthy.
I think everyone that's watched him comes away with some things, maybe different, but every single person has noted his pocket presence. It's like he's gliding away from the pressure. Blitzing linebackers get sidestepped like nothing.
I think everyone that's watched him comes away with some things, maybe different, but every single person has noted his pocket presence. It's like he's gliding away from the pressure. Blitzing linebackers get sidestepped like nothing.
Yep-there was that one play in the highlights where the blitzer flashes by him at 100 mph, but something he does just lets the guy go right by while he briefly reloads and sends the ball to his receiver, never seeming to take his eyes off looking downfield. Pretty damn amazing.
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I think everyone that's watched him comes away with some things, maybe different, but every single person has noted his pocket presence. It's like he's gliding away from the pressure. Blitzing linebackers get sidestepped like nothing.
Yep-there was that one play in the highlights where the blitzer flashes by him at 100 mph, but something he does just lets the guy go right by while he briefly reloads and sends the ball to his receiver, never seeming to take his eyes off looking downfield. Pretty damn amazing.
Yep-there was that one play in the highlights where the blitzer flashes by him at 100 mph, but something he does just lets the guy go right by while he briefly reloads and sends the ball to his receiver, never seeming to take his eyes off looking downfield. Pretty damn amazing.
Think I'm thinking of the same play - against some team in purple? I got misty eyed, envisaging that being CJ Mosley or someone being neatly sidestepped and he makes the completion...
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Yep-there was that one play in the highlights where the blitzer flashes by him at 100 mph, but something he does just lets the guy go right by while he briefly reloads and sends the ball to his receiver, never seeming to take his eyes off looking downfield. Pretty damn amazing.
Think I'm thinking of the same play - against some team in purple? I got misty eyed, envisaging that being CJ Mosley or someone being neatly sidestepped and he makes the completion...
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Is this Camp Peeta?
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Yep-there was that one play in the highlights where the blitzer flashes by him at 100 mph, but something he does just lets the guy go right by while he briefly reloads and sends the ball to his receiver, never seeming to take his eyes off looking downfield. Pretty damn amazing.
Think I'm thinking of the same play - against some team in purple? I got misty eyed, envisaging that being CJ Mosley or someone being neatly sidestepped and he makes the completion...
Think I'm thinking of the same play - against some team in purple? I got misty eyed, envisaging that being CJ Mosley or someone being neatly sidestepped and he makes the completion...
One of the Gifs in here:
http://insidethestar.com/dallas-cowboys-draft-jared-goff-film-review/
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