Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I've read before his father is pretty much an opposite to Johnny personality-wise...
The Patriots got it spot on before we drafted him - what we've seen isn't all that much of a surprise.
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I don't think we should read too far into it without knowing any facts.
Something like 1 in 12 Americans abuse alcohol or are considered alcoholics. Johnny's just 1 in 12 as far as I can tell.
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And I think "lazy" is accurate considering you see a guy who has several on-the-field flaws, yet he spends his off season and off time doing nothing but boozing. Even last year he gets a day off training camp and goes to Texas to a pool party.
Well, I get the "lazy" part from the fact that from what I hear, at least early on, he didn't bother to learn the playbook and was totally unprepared....and he preferred to spend his time partying.
I know its semantics....but Id lean more toward words like unmotivated, overly confident, entitled and directionless over lazy....
He probably thought he could just show up, be given the job and do what he did in college....he wouldnt be the first....
I know its semantics....but Id lean more toward words like unmotivated, overly confident, entitled and directionless over lazy....
He probably thought he could just show up, be given the job and do what he did in college....he wouldnt be the first....
OK....while I would not add those in lieu of lazy....I would add them in addition to lazy.
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Also....the agents statement says he's made multiple attempts to help and,basically, JM is not accepting any responsibility or being accountable for himself.....so, as with so many "troubled" people, sometimes you have to draw a line and sever relationships.....
And that can be the thing that often helps people to wake up.....and sometimes not.....
I get that... just all the cloaking of the decision in friendship that I reacted to.
I've spent a lot of time in Texas pal.
Just curious... Professionally?
My point was that distance is lower barrier in Texas... a simple matter of scale... and, in the cases of Houston and the DFW metroplex, sprawl.
I get that... just all the cloaking of the decision in friendship that I reacted to.
Just curious... Professionally?
My point was that distance is lower barrier in Texas... a simple matter of scale... and, in the cases of Houston and the DFW metroplex, sprawl.
I just did a big Tour of Texas Tour....Started in San Antonio, then on to San Angelo, to Big Spring them Midland, then Odessa, then on to Lubbock then up to Amarillo, then up to Lake Meredith, over into Oklahoma Cheyenne and Altus. Then down to Vernon TX, on to Wichita Falls, then to Abilene. Then I skirted south of Ft. Worth down to Waco, then back down to San Antonio. I got a good idea of the distances...and yes, of the sprawl as well. DFW more than elsewhere. Sorry, but the DFW area is just not an enticing place for me.
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I've only really been to Austin, everything's pretty close and accessible there - it almost seemed like a southern cleaner Cleveland with better roads and nicer people.
I've only really been to Austin, everything's pretty close and accessible there - it almost seemed like a southern cleaner Cleveland with better roads and nicer people.
Terrible traffic these days in certain places. On my Texas tour I avoided it, picking up 281 west of Waco to get down to SA.
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I get that... just all the cloaking of the decision in friendship that I reacted to.
Just curious... Professionally?
My point was that distance is lower barrier in Texas... a simple matter of scale... and, in the cases of Houston and the DFW metroplex, sprawl.
I just did a big Tour of Texas Tour....Started in San Antonio, then on to San Angelo, to Big Spring them Midland, then Odessa, then on to Lubbock then up to Amarillo, then up to Lake Meredith, over into Oklahoma Cheyenne and Altus. Then down to Vernon TX, on to Wichita Falls, then to Abilene. Then I skirted south of Ft. Worth down to Waco, then back down to San Antonio. I got a good idea of the distances...and yes, of the sprawl as well. DFW more than elsewhere. Sorry, but the DFW area is just not an enticing place for me.
Sorry, but the DFW area is just not an enticing place for me.
No need to apologize... not my fav either.
Austin on the other hand... very cool city, but growing pans galore.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Sorry, but the DFW area is just not an enticing place for me.
No need to apologize... not my fav either.
Austin on the other hand... very cool city, but growing pans galore.
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Ok ... Full Disclosure.
I think this shit is all my fault.
I keep reading that Johnny and his girl broke up in December, which led to this drama.
As many of you know, I was up for the Nov. 30 Browns game against the Ravens, and encountered Johhny and Coleen in the lobby.
What I didn't tell you ... was that after they checked in and were walking past me, I winked at Colleen.
Surprisingly ... she winked back. Seemed innocent enough.
But then as the elevator doors close I heard an aggitated Johny yell "Really??? You winked at that old douchebag???"
I imagine that is the fight that escalated all this.
And I apologize.
Zombo
--Just for posterity's sake ... She was calm and seemed sober that night ... he could barely walk.
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Ok ... Full Disclosure.
I think this shit is all my fault.
I keep reading that Johnny and his girl broke up in December, which led to this drama.
As many of you know, I was up for the Nov. 30 Browns game against the Ravens, and encountered Johhny and Coleen in the lobby.
What I didn't tell you ... was that after they checked in and were walking past me, I winked at Colleen.
Surprisingly ... she winked back. Seemed innocent enough.
But then as the elevator doors close I heard an aggitated Johny yell "Really??? You winked at that old douchebag???"
I imagine that is the fight that escalated all this.
And I apologize.
Zombo
--Just for posterity's sake ... She was calm and seemed sober that night ... he could barely walk.
Zombo said:
Ok ... Full Disclosure.
I think this shit is all my fault.
I keep reading that Johnny and his girl broke up in December, which led to this drama.
As many of you know, I was up for the Nov. 30 Browns game against the Ravens, and encountered Johhny and Coleen in the lobby.
What I didn't tell you ... was that after they checked in and were walking past me, I winked at Colleen.
Surprisingly ... she winked back. Seemed innocent enough.
But then as the elevator doors close I heard an aggitated Johny yell "Really??? You winked at that old douchebag???"
I imagine that is the fight that escalated all this.
And I apologize.
Zombo
--Just for posterity's sake ... She was calm and seemed sober that night ... he could barely walk.
Did you bang her after he passed out? Thats the question.
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Pretty pathetic that most posters here are wanting to blame the girlfriend and not Johnny. She hasn't given anyone a reason to doubt her and Johnny hasn't given anyone a reason to believe him.
Posters have flat out lied and said the police didn't believe her. The police said she was being too vague and uncooperative. Another words not enough info or evidence to make an arrest.
Oh for the record it takes no longer than a half hour to drive from Fort Worth to Dallas in moderate traffic, less if traffic is light. Made the drive 5 days a week for 3 years
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Zombo said:
Ok ... Full Disclosure.
I think this shit is all my fault.
I keep reading that Johnny and his girl broke up in December, which led to this drama.
As many of you know, I was up for the Nov. 30 Browns game against the Ravens, and encountered Johhny and Coleen in the lobby.
What I didn't tell you ... was that after they checked in and were walking past me, I winked at Colleen.
Surprisingly ... she winked back. Seemed innocent enough.
But then as the elevator doors close I heard an aggitated Johny yell "Really??? You winked at that old douchebag???"
I imagine that is the fight that escalated all this.
And I apologize.
Zombo
--Just for posterity's sake ... She was calm and seemed sober that night ... he could barely walk.
Did you bang her after he passed out? Thats the question.
Nope, I whacked off to Skinemax probably, but she was hot as hell.Did you bang her after he passed out? Thats the question.
I'm sure we all crossed the hot-crazy line in our 20s. Only way to learn.
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Pretty pathetic that most posters here are wanting to blame the girlfriend and not Johnny. She hasn't given anyone a reason to doubt her and Johnny hasn't given anyone a reason to believe him.
Posters have flat out lied and said the police didn't believe her. The police said she was being too vague and uncooperative. Another words not enough info or evidence to make an arrest.
Oh for the record it takes no longer than a half hour to drive from Fort Worth to Dallas in moderate traffic, less if traffic is light. Made the drive 5 days a week for 3 years
I agree, and it doesnt really matter what degree her craziness is.Pretty pathetic that most posters here are wanting to blame the girlfriend and not Johnny. She hasn't given anyone a reason to doubt her and Johnny hasn't given anyone a reason to believe him.
Posters have flat out lied and said the police didn't believe her. The police said she was being too vague and uncooperative. Another words not enough info or evidence to make an arrest.
Oh for the record it takes no longer than a half hour to drive from Fort Worth to Dallas in moderate traffic, less if traffic is light. Made the drive 5 days a week for 3 years
If his Dad and agent are extremely worried about him, and he has been to one rehab, and walked out of two this week ... Dude has major demons to work out ... crazy girlfriend or not.
Z
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Pretty pathetic that most posters here are wanting to blame the girlfriend and not Johnny. She hasn't given anyone a reason to doubt her and Johnny hasn't given anyone a reason to believe him.
Posters have flat out lied and said the police didn't believe her. The police said she was being too vague and uncooperative. Another words not enough info or evidence to make an arrest.
Oh for the record it takes no longer than a half hour to drive from Fort Worth to Dallas in moderate traffic, less if traffic is light. Made the drive 5 days a week for 3 years
ITA. The dashcam video from Avon revealed, to me anyway, a classic domestic abuse scenario. Once she realized police were involved and he could be arrested, she backed off. Very typical. She was NOT the one to call police in either situation. Bystanders felt enough was going on to get police involved. If she wanted to make up a bunch of crap just to get him in trouble, she would have called the cops herself. If she just randomly shows up to his hotel room trashed and looking for a fight, why doesn't HE call hotel security or police and have her removed from the premises? Possibly because he was none to eager to get cops involved himself? And just for the record, I don't think she totally innocent in it. Not at all. I think they both get off on the high drama and each one escalates to the next level until physical altercations are inevitable. Doesn't give him the ok to put his hands on her.Pretty pathetic that most posters here are wanting to blame the girlfriend and not Johnny. She hasn't given anyone a reason to doubt her and Johnny hasn't given anyone a reason to believe him.
Posters have flat out lied and said the police didn't believe her. The police said she was being too vague and uncooperative. Another words not enough info or evidence to make an arrest.
His father's words bother me, too. He says if "they" don't get him help...who is "they"? The Browns? Just like it was "the school" when he was having trouble at A&M according to that espn magazine (?) article. This reeks of co-dependency and enabling, IMO.
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Well, according to this Dallas reporter his girlfriend was just granted a 2 year protective order and JM was ordered to pay $12k in fees......she is also reporting that the Cowboys are no longer interested.....
https://twitter.com/rlopezwfaa?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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I've only really been to Austin, everything's pretty close and accessible there - it almost seemed like a southern cleaner Cleveland with better roads and nicer people.
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Well, according to this Dallas reporter his girlfriend was just granted a 2 year protective order and JM was ordered to pay $12k in fees......she is also reporting that the Cowboys are no longer interested.....
https://twitter.com/rlopezwfaa?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
If she was granted protective order, the judge thought there was some truth to this.Well, according to this Dallas reporter his girlfriend was just granted a 2 year protective order and JM was ordered to pay $12k in fees......she is also reporting that the Cowboys are no longer interested.....
https://twitter.com/rlopezwfaa?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
It's just about him getting help now, no one to blame anymore.
I'd like to see Coleen start dating Mike Pettine though just to make the script for Trainwreck II complete.
Z
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I agree, and it doesnt really matter what degree her craziness is.Pretty pathetic that most posters here are wanting to blame the girlfriend and not Johnny. She hasn't given anyone a reason to doubt her and Johnny hasn't given anyone a reason to believe him.
Posters have flat out lied and said the police didn't believe her. The police said she was being too vague and uncooperative. Another words not enough info or evidence to make an arrest.
Oh for the record it takes no longer than a half hour to drive from Fort Worth to Dallas in moderate traffic, less if traffic is light. Made the drive 5 days a week for 3 years
If his Dad and agent are extremely worried about him, and he has been to one rehab, and walked out of two this week ... Dude has major demons to work out ... crazy girlfriend or not.
Z
Seriously? So this is the second time she's claimed he beat her ass and the authorities didn't buy it. She's the one that drove an hour drunk, to chase him down at his apartment because she thought he was with another woman.Zombo said:
I agree, and it doesnt really matter what degree her craziness is.
If his Dad and agent are extremely worried about him, and he has been to one rehab, and walked out of two this week ... Dude has major demons to work out ... crazy girlfriend or not.
Z
Have none of you guys ever dated a crazy chick?
WSS
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Ok ... Full Disclosure.
I think this shit is all my fault.
I keep reading that Johnny and his girl broke up in December, which led to this drama.
As many of you know, I was up for the Nov. 30 Browns game against the Ravens, and encountered Johhny and Coleen in the lobby.
What I didn't tell you ... was that after they checked in and were walking past me, I winked at Colleen.
Surprisingly ... she winked back. Seemed innocent enough.
But then as the elevator doors close I heard an aggitated Johny yell "Really??? You winked at that old douchebag???"
I imagine that is the fight that escalated all this.
And I apologize.
Zombo
--Just for posterity's sake ... She was calm and seemed sober that night ... he could barely walk.
Zombo said:
What I didn't tell you ... was that after they checked in and were walking past me, I winked at Colleen.
Surprisingly ... she winked back. Seemed innocent enough.
Did she do that duck face thing too???....cause if my girl always did that, Id be a lil angry too...
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Pretty pathetic that most posters here are wanting to blame the girlfriend and not Johnny. She hasn't given anyone a reason to doubt her and Johnny hasn't given anyone a reason to believe him.
Posters have flat out lied and said the police didn't believe her. The police said she was being too vague and uncooperative. Another words not enough info or evidence to make an arrest.
Oh for the record it takes no longer than a half hour to drive from Fort Worth to Dallas in moderate traffic, less if traffic is light. Made the drive 5 days a week for 3 years
Pretty pathetic that most posters here are wanting to blame the girlfriend and not Johnny. She hasn't given anyone a reason to doubt her and Johnny hasn't given anyone a reason to believe him.
Posters have flat out lied and said the police didn't believe her. The police said she was being too vague and uncooperative. Another words not enough info or evidence to make an arrest.
Oh for the record it takes no longer than a half hour to drive from Fort Worth to Dallas in moderate traffic, less if traffic is light. Made the drive 5 days a week for 3 years
Well, you are just double dumbass wrong.
You see, there is a difference between whatever the facts really are...which you have no clue about....and what the police do and think.
FYI.....no one lied.....the police DON"T believe her. If their comments on their reports say that she is being vague and uncooperative, that means they place NO credibility in what she says. In other words, they don't believe her.
Take it from one who has defended and heard these matters.
Again....this is not an absolution of JFF.....it is simply an indictment of her credibility.
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