Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Steve come on man , he is a woman beater no doubt even if she is crazy as hell. The judge didn't just issue a 2 year restraining order with no evidence or concern. They specifically stated that there was sufficient evidence family violence occurred.
So he will be charged with a crime, right?
WSS
So he will be charged with a crime, right?
WSS
I'm thinking his odds are right up there with Hillary's
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Also of note, the Browns probably knew about details between him and girlfriend, parents, etc.
Seemed like they were quick to make a statement that basically said "he's gone" so they could get in front of all of the news before it came out.
It is entirely possible that she is a bigger drama queen than he is. Again, three different police departments were sic'ed on him by her....and none of them did anything. They obviously have their squabbles, but that does not mean that JFF committed actionable domestive violence.
But, I am sure that the drama associated with this was just another brick in the wall to seal Johnny's fate.
I think he is an alcoholic.
He is certainly a fuckup.
He is immature.
He is disrespectful.....of his teammates, coaches, owners, etc.
He is apparently lazy. He wants the glory but not to do the work it requires
He also seems addicted to the limelight, to the attention. (HE sought out TMZ, no?)
He feels he is entitled.
He is all of this shit.....but he is probably not a serious abuser of women.....at least not yet. It seems this chick got jealous because the gold digger is losing her gold, so she went telling tales. It happens.
It is entirely possible that she is a bigger drama queen than he is. Again, three different police departments were sic'ed on him by her....and none of them did anything. They obviously have their squabbles, but that does not mean that JFF committed actionable domestive violence.
But, I am sure that the drama associated with this was just another brick in the wall to seal Johnny's fate.
I think he is an alcoholic. check
He is certainly a fuckup. check
He is immature. check
He is disrespectful.....of his teammates, coaches, owners, etc. check
He is apparently lazy. He wants the glory but not to do the work it requires
He also seems addicted to the limelight, to the attention. (HE sought out TMZ, no?) check
He feels he is entitled. check
He is all of this shit.....but he is probably not a serious abuser of women.....at least not yet. It seems this chick got jealous because the gold digger is losing her gold, so she went telling tales. It happens.
Regarding the last- we shall see Gip
Zombo said:
Ok ... Full Disclosure.
I think this shit is all my fault.
I keep reading that Johnny and his girl broke up in December, which led to this drama.
As many of you know, I was up for the Nov. 30 Browns game against the Ravens, and encountered Johhny and Coleen in the lobby.
What I didn't tell you ... was that after they checked in and were walking past me, I winked at Colleen.
Surprisingly ... she winked back. Seemed innocent enough.
But then as the elevator doors close I heard an aggitated Johny yell "Really??? You winked at that old douchebag???"
I imagine that is the fight that escalated all this.
And I apologize.
Zombo
--Just for posterity's sake ... She was calm and seemed sober that night ... he could barely walk.
You saw what you saw Z, just like that lady who saw him slamming shots in a bar on W 25th.
Zombo said:
Well, if this turns into a long-term medical situation, we may be holding on to his rights.
Z
Possible. I think the Jags still hold the rights to Blackmon.
They do not have to have her permission to file charges. Trust me I have been through it.
They WILL arrest him if they believe they have grounds to do so.....and her opinion does not count for that.
They can use whatever physical evidence and statements they have.
IF they believed her statement, they could certainly use that. But they clearly think that statement is unreliable, or false.
Even if they believed it, they may need her testimony to prove their case, but they can arrest without that.
(this is what happened with Greg Hardy.....the victim refused to appear for the trial.
OK Gip- I trust your legalese. Odds Johnny is going to get arrested? I'll go out on a limb and say the odds of the NFL and Sir Rodger suspending him are around 90% +.
Ryan Leaf made an appearance on NFL Live today. Apparently works in the consoling/therapy world now and has been reaching out through JM's people.
Completely out of left field, but thought just crossed my mind (which visits left field quite often) that there might be those even closer to JM urging her to press charges to get him in where he can be monitored.
Tour- right now I'd say Manziel is more cooked than an overdone Thanksgiving Day turkey.
Close on the above's heels on the trot to the infield...
If charges are brought, there could be grounds for termination of the contract saving cap space. But if Haslam is as concerned as it appears in the tweet report, then I doubt he'd go Al Davis on a troubled kid that he seems invested in...
Jimmuh- ya needs to be Da Terminator. JFF has already cost himself million$$$, made the Browns yet another NFL joke. Make him go crawling back to pops- for the help he needs.
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So he will be charged with a crime, right?
WSS
Up to the DA.
Regardless we can all admit Johnny has some serious problems now.
If he does get charged with assault or whatever then I think he'll lose a lot of the sympathy he has now.
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Ryan Leaf on JM from Dan Patrick show:
http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/02/ryan-leaf-johnny-manziel-like-holding-up-mirror
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Zombo winking at Colleen. Classic. She winks back. Awesome. Johnny gets pissed. Epic.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Someone should've given him this advise.
"stay home less shit happens."
Im sure someone did.....many many times, actually....
For that I have won but I would never spike the ball when it comes to his personal life.
What didja win???.......There are no winners here.....The Fans lost, the Browns lost, JM lost, etc etc etc....
Regardless we can all admit Johnny had some serious problems now.
Now?.....fify
One Post From the Truth said:
Zombo winking at Colleen. Classic. She winks back. Awesome. Johnny gets pissed. Epic.
Best Johnny story ever!
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It is entirely possible that she is a bigger drama queen than he is. Again, three different police departments were sic'ed on him by her....and none of them did anything. They obviously have their squabbles, but that does not mean that JFF committed actionable domestive violence.
But, I am sure that the drama associated with this was just another brick in the wall to seal Johnny's fate.
I think he is an alcoholic. check
He is certainly a fuckup. check
He is immature. check
He is disrespectful.....of his teammates, coaches, owners, etc. check
He is apparently lazy. He wants the glory but not to do the work it requires
He also seems addicted to the limelight, to the attention. (HE sought out TMZ, no?) check
He feels he is entitled. check
He is all of this shit.....but he is probably not a serious abuser of women.....at least not yet. It seems this chick got jealous because the gold digger is losing her gold, so she went telling tales. It happens.
Regarding the last- we shall see Gip
Zombo said:
Ok ... Full Disclosure.
I think this shit is all my fault.
I keep reading that Johnny and his girl broke up in December, which led to this drama.
As many of you know, I was up for the Nov. 30 Browns game against the Ravens, and encountered Johhny and Coleen in the lobby.
What I didn't tell you ... was that after they checked in and were walking past me, I winked at Colleen.
Surprisingly ... she winked back. Seemed innocent enough.
But then as the elevator doors close I heard an aggitated Johny yell "Really??? You winked at that old douchebag???"
I imagine that is the fight that escalated all this.
And I apologize.
Zombo
--Just for posterity's sake ... She was calm and seemed sober that night ... he could barely walk.
You saw what you saw Z, just like that lady who saw him slamming shots in a bar on W 25th.
Zombo said:
Well, if this turns into a long-term medical situation, we may be holding on to his rights.
Z
Possible. I think the Jags still hold the rights to Blackmon.
They do not have to have her permission to file charges. Trust me I have been through it.
They WILL arrest him if they believe they have grounds to do so.....and her opinion does not count for that.
They can use whatever physical evidence and statements they have.
IF they believed her statement, they could certainly use that. But they clearly think that statement is unreliable, or false.
Even if they believed it, they may need her testimony to prove their case, but they can arrest without that.
(this is what happened with Greg Hardy.....the victim refused to appear for the trial.
OK Gip- I trust your legalese. Odds Johnny is going to get arrested? I'll go out on a limb and say the odds of the NFL and Sir Rodger suspending him are around 90% +.
Ryan Leaf made an appearance on NFL Live today. Apparently works in the consoling/therapy world now and has been reaching out through JM's people.
Completely out of left field, but thought just crossed my mind (which visits left field quite often) that there might be those even closer to JM urging her to press charges to get him in where he can be monitored.
Tour- right now I'd say Manziel is more cooked than an overdone Thanksgiving Day turkey.
Close on the above's heels on the trot to the infield...
If charges are brought, there could be grounds for termination of the contract saving cap space. But if Haslam is as concerned as it appears in the tweet report, then I doubt he'd go Al Davis on a troubled kid that he seems invested in...
Jimmuh- ya needs to be Da Terminator. JFF has already cost himself million$$$, made the Browns yet another NFL joke. Make him go crawling back to pops- for the help he needs.
Jimmuh- ya needs to be Da Terminator. JFF has already cost himself million$$$, made the Browns yet another NFL joke. Make him go crawling back to pops- for the help he needs.
To be clear I was referring to:
- grounds for saving the guaranteed money as well as the non-guaranteed.
- Jimmah's personal, emotional investment in the kid, not financial.
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So are we dealing with two different PD's here?
- Ft. Worth, where Colleen lives and the 911 call was made, closed their investigation.
- Dallas where everything started, where there was a witness according to her statement has opened an investigation.
If forced into a car in Dallas, did a kidnapping occur?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So are we dealing with two different PD's here?
- Ft. Worth, where Colleen lives and the 911 call was made, closed their investigation.
- Dallas where everything started, where there was a witness according to her statement has opened an investigation.
If forced into a car in Dallas, did a kidnapping occur?
So are we dealing with two different PD's here?
- Ft. Worth, where Colleen lives and the 911 call was made, closed their investigation.
- Dallas where everything started, where there was a witness according to her statement has opened an investigation.
If forced into a car in Dallas, did a kidnapping occur?
My take was the Police were called(not by Colleen) and informed by the caller that an assault may be happening.....when they arrived, Johnny was gone and Colleen was not cooperative.....and, without evidence, they were not able to determine on their own that an assault or crime happened....
NOW....Colleen has decided to be cooperative....IE...admitting(or stating) that the assault actually did happen and she wants to press charges....and, I think, that means that there will be charges eventually.....
whether she can prove it in court is another matter.....will be interesting to say the least.....
She better hope they can find the valet....if they do and he cooperates....uh oh for JM....
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The statement said something like it's not unusual for victims to delay reporting for emotional reasons. I'm guessing Colleen didn't wanna them to pursue at the time.
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If what Manziels' girlfriend said was true and she asked the valet for help and he said he didn't know what to do, my question is why didn't he know what to do? If he feared for his own safety couldn't he have called 911 after they left? Or was he concerned about Manziel being a celebrity? What was his reasoning that he had to stand back and do nothing when she asked him for help and said she was fearful for her safety?
I never agreed with Manziel not getting a breathalyzer test by the police on the incident with his girlfriend where he was driving recklessly, speeding and admitted to drinking earlier. I don't see too many average citizens not getting at least a breathalyzer test under those circumstances. I believe it was just his celebrity status and he got different treatment than the average citizen.
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The statement said something like it's not unusual for victims to delay reporting for emotional reasons. I'm guessing Colleen didn't wanna them to pursue at the time.
The statement said something like it's not unusual for victims to delay reporting for emotional reasons. I'm guessing Colleen didn't wanna them to pursue at the time.
Get all that both Mud and you posted... but I think we are dealing with two different jurisdictions here... Yes?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If what Manziels' girlfriend said was true and she asked the valet for help and he said he didn't know what to do, my question is why didn't he know what to do? If he feared for his own safety couldn't he have called 911 after they left? Or was he concerned about Manziel being a celebrity? What was his reasoning that he had to stand back and do nothing when she asked him for help and said she was fearful for her safety?
I never agreed with Manziel not getting a breathalyzer test by the police on the incident with his girlfriend where he was driving recklessly, speeding and admitted to drinking earlier. I don't see too many average citizens not getting at least a breathalyzer test under those circumstances. I believe it was just his celebrity status and he got different treatment than the average citizen.
That could be. But don't you think a police officer could get himself into a world of shit by letting someone go who is completely blotto? And if there was evidence that shed been as severely beaten as she said and the cops turned a blind eye? That sound reasonable or logical?If what Manziels' girlfriend said was true and she asked the valet for help and he said he didn't know what to do, my question is why didn't he know what to do? If he feared for his own safety couldn't he have called 911 after they left? Or was he concerned about Manziel being a celebrity? What was his reasoning that he had to stand back and do nothing when she asked him for help and said she was fearful for her safety?
I never agreed with Manziel not getting a breathalyzer test by the police on the incident with his girlfriend where he was driving recklessly, speeding and admitted to drinking earlier. I don't see too many average citizens not getting at least a breathalyzer test under those circumstances. I believe it was just his celebrity status and he got different treatment than the average citizen.
PS I have been given a few field sobriety tests but only one breathalyzer.
WSS
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Just don't blame Zombo and his winks thrown about these United States causing friction between happy couples.
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Get all that both Mud and you posted... but I think we are dealing with two different jurisdictions here... Yes?
Right....2 jurisdictions.....Dallas and Fort worth....
Fort Worth determined that no assault happened "in their jurisdiction"....and closed case
Dallas said no charges filed and case closed "because there was no complaint filed"....(and now there is)
Here is a timeline link that lays out the whole episode ....
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That could be. But don't you think a police officer could get himself into a world of shit by letting someone go who is completely blotto? And if there was evidence that shed been as severely beaten as she said and the cops turned a blind eye? That sound reasonable or logical?If what Manziels' girlfriend said was true and she asked the valet for help and he said he didn't know what to do, my question is why didn't he know what to do? If he feared for his own safety couldn't he have called 911 after they left? Or was he concerned about Manziel being a celebrity? What was his reasoning that he had to stand back and do nothing when she asked him for help and said she was fearful for her safety?
I never agreed with Manziel not getting a breathalyzer test by the police on the incident with his girlfriend where he was driving recklessly, speeding and admitted to drinking earlier. I don't see too many average citizens not getting at least a breathalyzer test under those circumstances. I believe it was just his celebrity status and he got different treatment than the average citizen.
PS I have been given a few field sobriety tests but only one breathalyzer.
WSS
And if there was evidence that shed been as severely beaten as she said and the cops turned a blind eye? That sound reasonable or logical?
PS I have been given a few field sobriety tests but only one breathalyzer.
WSS
Severely beaten???....doubt it.....but both she and a witness said that there was a physical altercation....and I do believe there are situations where the police would turn a blind eye....and believe that some people(sport stars, etc) get special treatment....all the time, actually....
Watch Cops.....whenever there is a domestic situation that turns physical, someone ALWAYS goes to jail....its the law....(Ohio is one of the 21 states)
The American Bar Association has identified 21 states with mandatory arrest for domestic violence assault (1). On their face, many of the laws appear to be consistent with Fourth Amendment probable-cause requirements. But the actual enforcement of such laws is typically based on a weaker standard than probable-cause:
- Training programs for law enforcement personnel often emphasize the need to âerr on the side of caution,â âhold abusers accountable,â and âgive first priority to protecting victims,â admonitions that in practice mean, âAlways believe the accuserâ (2).
- Training programs often use biased terminology, e.g., use the word âvictimâ instead of âaccuser,â and omit the word âallegedâ before âabuserâ (2).
- Predominant aggressor policies serve to predispose law enforcement personnel to assume the instigator is the male (3).
- In one state, law enforcement officers are instructed to view a manâs statement that âShe hit me firstâ as an âexcuseâ (4).
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That could be. But don't you think a police officer could get himself into a world of shit by letting someone go who is completely blotto? And if there was evidence that shed been as severely beaten as she said and the cops turned a blind eye? That sound reasonable or logical?If what Manziels' girlfriend said was true and she asked the valet for help and he said he didn't know what to do, my question is why didn't he know what to do? If he feared for his own safety couldn't he have called 911 after they left? Or was he concerned about Manziel being a celebrity? What was his reasoning that he had to stand back and do nothing when she asked him for help and said she was fearful for her safety?
I never agreed with Manziel not getting a breathalyzer test by the police on the incident with his girlfriend where he was driving recklessly, speeding and admitted to drinking earlier. I don't see too many average citizens not getting at least a breathalyzer test under those circumstances. I believe it was just his celebrity status and he got different treatment than the average citizen.
PS I have been given a few field sobriety tests but only one breathalyzer.
WSS
That could be. But don't you think a police officer could get himself into a world of shit by letting someone go who is completely blotto? And if there was evidence that shed been as severely beaten as she said and the cops turned a blind eye? That sound reasonable or logical?
PS I have been given a few field sobriety tests but only one breathalyzer.
WSS
I don't believe Manziel even got field sobriety tests on the incident?
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/10/legal_experts_surprised_police.html
The valet should have called the police and made a report. There is no question in my mind I would have done it even if I didn't fully believe the girlfriend because I could not take the chance. I would have made the report and let the police investigate.
âI was crying and begged the valet, âPlease donât let him take me. Iâm scared for my life!'â she told police. The valet reportedly told her, âI donât know what to doâ and let Manziel leave with her.
I am not clear on who called the police maybe the valet did (I hope he did anyway). You just cannot do nothing when you witness something like this.
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Just don't blame Zombo and his winks thrown about these United States causing friction between happy couples.
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Just don't blame Zombo and his winks thrown about these United States causing friction between happy couples.
I hope the fucker get subpoenaed as a hostile witness!
WSS
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That could be. But don't you think a police officer could get himself into a world of shit by letting someone go who is completely blotto? And if there was evidence that shed been as severely beaten as she said and the cops turned a blind eye? That sound reasonable or logical?
PS I have been given a few field sobriety tests but only one breathalyzer.
WSS
I don't believe Manziel even got field sobriety tests on the incident?
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/10/legal_experts_surprised_police.html
The valet should have called the police and made a report. There is no question in my mind I would have done it even if I didn't fully believe the girlfriend because I could not take the chance. I would have made the report and let the police investigate.
âI was crying and begged the valet, âPlease donât let him take me. Iâm scared for my life!'â she told police. The valet reportedly told her, âI donât know what to doâ and let Manziel leave with her.
I am not clear on who called the police maybe the valet did (I hope he did anyway). You just cannot do nothing when you witness something like this.
I don't believe Manziel even got field sobriety tests on the incident?
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/10/legal_experts_surprised_police.html
The valet should have called the police and made a report. There is no question in my mind I would have done it even if I didn't fully believe the girlfriend because I could not take the chance. I would have made the report and let the police investigate.
"So mr Rodriguez, you did not then believe that Ms Crowley was in any danger?"
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