Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I don't believe Manziel even got field sobriety tests on the incident?
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/10/legal_experts_surprised_police.html
The valet should have called the police and made a report. There is no question in my mind I would have done it even if I didn't fully believe the girlfriend because I could not take the chance. I would have made the report and let the police investigate.
"So mr Rodriguez, you did not then believe that Ms Crowley was in any danger?"
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"So mr Rodriguez, you did not then believe that Ms Crowley was in any danger?"
"I'm confused, mr. Rodriguez. You wanted the police to make that decision, correct? Did you not think the police would come to this dangerous situation and sort it out if you did indeed call 9-1-1?"
In court, what he believes or thought isnt at issue......only what he "saw" or witnessed....
His motives for not calling police or not helping are inconsequential....
All he has to say is "I didnt want to get involved"....
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"I'm confused, mr. Rodriguez. You wanted the police to make that decision, correct? Did you not think the police would come to this dangerous situation and sort it out if you did indeed call 9-1-1?"My answer would be (even if I wasn't sure or didn't believe the girlfriend) is that the girlfriend said she was fearful for her safety and asked me not to let him take her and I wanted the police to investigate to be sure. I didn't want to make the decision if she was being truthful or not. If someone tells you something like this you about have to take them at their word (at the time).
WSS
"I'm confused, mr. Rodriguez. You wanted the police to make that decision, correct? Did you not think the police would come to this dangerous situation and sort it out if you did indeed call 9-1-1?"
WSS
If Manziel had hurt or killed his girlfriend the question being asked by the police to Mr. Rodriguez would be "why didn't you call and report this?. Didn't she tell you she feared for her life? Didn't she ask you to help her?"
Mr. Rodriguez himself might get criminal charges for failing to make a report as Manziel's girlfriend was stating she was being taken against her will by Manziel. The girlfriend is reporting a crime as you cannot take someone against their will. In many states failure to report a crime is a crime itself.
It is the job of the police here to make the call if the girlfriend is truthful or not. The valet has a responsibility to report a crime but not to investigate one. The police will interview the girlfriend and Manziel and make the decision if there are to be criminal charges (although they may call the prosecutor for legal advice as to what possible charges are involved).
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"So mr Rodriguez, you did not then believe that Ms Crowley was in any danger?"
"I'm confused, mr. Rodriguez. You wanted the police to make that decision, correct? Did you not think the police would come to this dangerous situation and sort it out if you did indeed call 9-1-1?"
In court, what he believes or thought isnt at issue......only what he "saw" or witnessed....
His motives for not calling police or not helping are inconsequential....
All he has to say is "I didnt want to get involved"....
Well if you don't think that's relevant I think youre dreaming but stranger things happen. I would think his reasoning for not responding to what she said was a dangerous situation will be very relevant.In court, what he believes or thought isnt at issue......only what he "saw" or witnessed....
His motives for not calling police or not helping are inconsequential....
All he has to say is "I didnt want to get involved"....
What do you think Gipper?
WSS
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"I'm confused, mr. Rodriguez. You wanted the police to make that decision, correct? Did you not think the police would come to this dangerous situation and sort it out if you did indeed call 9-1-1?"
WSS
If Manziel had hurt or killed his girlfriend the question being asked by the police to Mr. Rodriguez would be "why didn't you call and report this?. Didn't she tell you she feared for her life? Didn't she ask you to help her?"
Mr. Rodriguez himself might get criminal charges for failing to make a report as Manziel's girlfriend was stating she was being taken against her will by Manziel. The girlfriend is reporting a crime as you cannot take someone against their will. In many states failure to report a crime is a crime itself.
It is the job of the police here to make the call if the girlfriend is truthful or not. The valet has a responsibility to report a crime but not to investigate one. The police will interview the girlfriend and Manziel and make the decision if there are to be criminal charges (although they may call the prosecutor for legal advice as to what possible charges are involved).
The valet is the only witness so his opinion on whether or not her story is credible is all we have to go on. Anyway that's what I'd ask if I was his attorney so...If Manziel had hurt or killed his girlfriend the question being asked by the police to Mr. Rodriguez would be "why didn't you call and report this?. Didn't she tell you she feared for her life? Didn't she ask you to help her?"
Mr. Rodriguez himself might get criminal charges for failing to make a report as Manziel's girlfriend was stating she was being taken against her will by Manziel. The girlfriend is reporting a crime as you cannot take someone against their will. In many states failure to report a crime is a crime itself.
It is the job of the police here to make the call not the valet. The police will interview the girlfriend and Manziel and make the decision if there are to be criminal charges (although they may call the prosecutor for legal advice as to what possible charges are involved).
Isn't there a Samaritan Law somewhere? And his involvement wouldn't have to be anything beyond just calling the cops.
I think that's what a normal person would do in that situation. I'm not suggesting he fight him.
WSS
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"I'm confused, mr. Rodriguez. You wanted the police to make that decision, correct? Did you not think the police would come to this dangerous situation and sort it out if you did indeed call 9-1-1?"
WSS
If Manziel had hurt or killed his girlfriend the question being asked by the police to Mr. Rodriguez would be "why didn't you call and report this?. Didn't she tell you she feared for her life? Didn't she ask you to help her?"
Mr. Rodriguez himself might get criminal charges for failing to make a report as Manziel's girlfriend was stating she was being taken against her will by Manziel. The girlfriend is reporting a crime as you cannot take someone against their will. In many states failure to report a crime is a crime itself.
It is the job of the police here to make the call if the girlfriend is truthful or not. The valet has a responsibility to report a crime but not to investigate one. The police will interview the girlfriend and Manziel and make the decision if there are to be criminal charges (although they may call the prosecutor for legal advice as to what possible charges are involved).
Mr. Rodriguez himself might get criminal charges for failing to make a report as Manziel's girlfriend was stating she was being taken against her will by Manziel. The girlfriend is reporting a crime as you cannot take someone against their will. In many states failure to report a crime is a crime itself.
But its not a crime in Texas...it's called "Duty to rescue" and is only enforceable in 10 states....and has a lot of language making it very difficult to enforce...
Well if you don't think that's relevant I think youre dreaming but stranger things happen. I would think his reasoning for not responding to what she said was a dangerous situation will be very relevant.
What do you think Gipper?
Im interested what Gipper says too....but Id think the court doesnt care about an individuals "opinion" of what was happening or would use a valets opinion as an expert opinion....maybe he's just a cowardly dumbass...
usually opinions are hearsay and facts are the only allowable testimony....
I think all he has to do is confirm her version of events....basically, that she asked him for help and he didnt respond.....because if a woman is asking for help, is it really up to the doorman to establish in court that she didnt need it?....does his judgement somehow supersede hers in a court of law?....especially since she's the one in danger and he's just a bystander who knows nothing about the situation?
The valet is the only witness so his opinion on whether or not her story is credible is all we have to go on. Anyway that's what I'd ask if I was his attorney so...
Isn't there a Samaritan Law somewhere? And his involvement wouldn't have to be anything beyond just calling the cops.
I think that's what a normal person would do in that situation. I'm not suggesting he fight him.
WSS
His opinion wont make a difference. 10 people could witness something and all come away with different opinions.....why should his be the "credible one"???.....if she asked for help and he confirms that, then it adds credibility to her story...
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I think we all agree the valet should have at least called the police and reported this when it happened. He told the girlfriend there was nothing he could do but he could at least have called 9-11 and reported to the police what the girlfriend had told him.
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The valet was probably given hush money. There would be no other plausible explanation.
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I think we all agree the valet should have at least called the police and reported this when it happened. He told the girlfriend there was nothing he could do but he could at least have called 9-11 and reported to the police what the girlfriend had told him.
I think we all agree the valet should have at least called the police and reported this when it happened. He told the girlfriend there was nothing he could do but he could at least have called 9-11 and reported to the police what the girlfriend had told him.
Absolutely....100% agree....
Let's not forget, in addition to rehab, Johnny also underwent therapy for anger management in college....so there is a believable precedent for him losing it.....
One Post From the Truth said:
The valet was probably given hush money. There would be no other plausible explanation.
Its a super high end hotel that caters to people with $$$.....the valet is probably conditioned to look the other way and not get involved in customers private business.....bad for tips....and for keeping your job "if" you're wrong....
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I think we all agree the valet should have at least called the police and reported this when it happened. He told the girlfriend there was nothing he could do but he could at least have called 9-11 and reported to the police what the girlfriend had told him.
Absolutely....100% agree....
Let's not forget, in addition to rehab, Johnny also underwent therapy for anger management in college....so there is a believable precedent for him losing it.....
One Post From the Truth said:
The valet was probably given hush money. There would be no other plausible explanation.
Its a super high end hotel that caters to people with $$$.....the valet is probably conditioned to look the other way and not get involved in customers private business.....bad for tips....and for keeping your job "if" you're wrong....
Absolutely....100% agree....
Let's not forget, in addition to rehab, Johnny also underwent therapy for anger management in college....so there is a believable precedent for him losing it.....
Its a super high end hotel that caters to people with $$$.....the valet is probably conditioned to look the other way and not get involved in customers private business.....bad for tips....and for keeping your job "if" you're wrong....
Well if I were the prosecutor or defense and you are correct Id think he was a pretty worthless witness.
WSS
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Now Dallas PD is investigating the incident
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To bad we all can't agree to move on from this train wreck. Still splitting hairs over his persona when we another organization wouldn't even blink about this one.
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Johnny ManzielQB
Age: 19 Height: 6′ 0″ Weight: 210
College: Texas A&M Accrued Seasons: 2
League Entry: 2014 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 22 (Browns)
Contract Details
Total Value: $8,248,596 (avg. $2,062,149/year; $7,707,913 fully guaranteed)
33rd highest of 79 QB contracts
Year Base Salary (Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap
Number
Dead Money & Cap Savings
Prorated Roster Workout Other
2014 $420,000 $420,000 $1,079,745 $0 $0 $0 $1,499,745
2015 $794,936 $794,936 $1,079,745 $0 $0 $0 $1,874,681
2016 $1,169,872 $1,169,872 $1,079,745 $0 $0 $0 $2,249,617 $4,333,487 ($2,083,870)
2017 $1,294,808 $1,004,125 $1,079,745 $250,000 $0 $0 $2,624,553 $2,083,870 $540,683
Embed This Contract <iframe src="http://overthecap.com/contract-embed/2961/" width="600" height="343" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe> Traditional Statistics (2012-present)
Year Games Played Passing Rushing Fumbles
Comp/Att Pct Yards TD INT Sacked Rating Att Yards Avg TD Total Lost
2014 4 18/35 51.4% 175 0 2 3 42.0 9 29 3.2 1 1 0
2015 9 129/223 57.8% 1500 7 5 19 79.4 37 230 6.2 0 6 3
Dead cap 4.3 mil cap hit. After June 1st it's cut down considerably.
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If he's charged with a crime the contract situation gets more muddy I believe.
He's also 5'11 not 6'0
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Zombo said:
You mean Quinn?
Z
wow, wasn't here on the board when the quinn thing happened and didn't realize he was a #22 as well.
hey sacky, what ever you do don't pick at 22. trade up or down but 22 is not for the browns.
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To bad we all can't agree to move on from this train wreck. Still splitting hairs over his persona when we another organization wouldn't even blink about this one.
To bad we all can't agree to move on from this train wreck. Still splitting hairs over his persona when we another organization wouldn't even blink about this one.
The (only) good news is that most of us have backed off from pure attack mode.....its now more of a discussion, than it is a contentious debate.....and this thread is very tame compared to all the past threads....
Rather than ripping him to shreds, I think most of us just think he needs help.....and he has a lot of people reaching out to assist him with that.....Family, The Browns, The NFL, Ryan Leaf, Marinovich....even Charlie Sheen(lol).....
The ball is in his court now......but to think we wont be watching and discussing it?.....nope, we will.....
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If Manziel winds up a Cardinal I'll shit bricks.
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I think we all agree the valet should have at least called the police and reported this when it happened. He told the girlfriend there was nothing he could do but he could at least have called 9-11 and reported to the police what the girlfriend had told him.
I think we all agree the valet should have at least called the police and reported this when it happened. He told the girlfriend there was nothing he could do but he could at least have called 9-11 and reported to the police what the girlfriend had told him.
Seems likely "the valet" had the keys and/or had to get the car. It's kinda what they do.
So his decisions went beyond whether or not to call 911...
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To bad we all can't agree to move on from this train wreck. Still splitting hairs over his persona when we another organization wouldn't even blink about this one.
The (only) good news is that most of us have backed off from pure attack mode.....its now more of a discussion, than it is a contentious debate.....and this thread is very tame compared to all the past threads....
Rather than ripping him to shreds, I think most of us just think he needs help.....and he has a lot of people reaching out to assist him with that.....Family, The Browns, The NFL, Ryan Leaf, Marinovich....even Charlie Sheen(lol).....
The ball is in his court now......but to think we wont be watching and discussing it?.....nope, we will.....
He does need help, but if it's true he hit his girlfriend so hard he burst her ear drum then he loses all sympathy from me (and many other people, I imagine)The (only) good news is that most of us have backed off from pure attack mode.....its now more of a discussion, than it is a contentious debate.....and this thread is very tame compared to all the past threads....
Rather than ripping him to shreds, I think most of us just think he needs help.....and he has a lot of people reaching out to assist him with that.....Family, The Browns, The NFL, Ryan Leaf, Marinovich....even Charlie Sheen(lol).....
The ball is in his court now......but to think we wont be watching and discussing it?.....nope, we will.....
He really needs to step up to the plate and admit he has a problem. He made the TMZ statement "I'm just having fun." If the restraining order, Browns' statements, agent dropping him, Lebron dropping him, and criminal investigation haven't convinced him he has a problem then I'm not sure what will. Maybe the mavs players and other people who he goes out with need to stop enabling and convince him he needs help.
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To bad we all can't agree to move on from this train wreck. Still splitting hairs over his persona when we another organization wouldn't even blink about this one.
The (only) good news is that most of us have backed off from pure attack mode.....its now more of a discussion, than it is a contentious debate.....and this thread is very tame compared to all the past threads....
Rather than ripping him to shreds, I think most of us just think he needs help.....and he has a lot of people reaching out to assist him with that.....Family, The Browns, The NFL, Ryan Leaf, Marinovich....even Charlie Sheen(lol).....
The ball is in his court now......but to think we wont be watching and discussing it?.....nope, we will.....
The (only) good news is that most of us have backed off from pure attack mode.....its now more of a discussion, than it is a contentious debate.....and this thread is very tame compared to all the past threads....
Rather than ripping him to shreds, I think most of us just think he needs help.....and he has a lot of people reaching out to assist him with that.....Family, The Browns, The NFL, Ryan Leaf, Marinovich....even Charlie Sheen(lol).....
The ball is in his court now......but to think we wont be watching and discussing it?.....nope, we will.....
I really hope when the Browns draft their next QB in a few months the Manziel circus will have left town.
I guess I missed the part when I watched Manziel play and thought, "wow what a great pick, he'll be an important part of the Browns for years to come". Analysts are being kind by saying in year 2, "he looked more prepared" and "there were times he played at an NFL level". This is the 22nd pick in the NFL draft. There were games, like Tennessee who stinks, were Manziel looked like he could be a solid game manager but at no point did he ever look like a top 15 QB and that is what you are hoping to get with a QB in the first round. I know we, myself included, are desperate to find the next Bernie Kosar but for god's sake can we admit when we've got nothing.
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