Jonathan Paul Manziel
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"So mr Rodriguez, you did not then believe that Ms Crowley was in any danger?"
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My answer would be (even if I wasn't sure or didn't believe the girlfriend) is that the girlfriend said she was fearful for her safety and asked me not to let him take her and I wanted the police to investigate to be sure. I didn't want to make the decision if she was being truthful or not. If someone tells you something like this you about have to take them at their word (at the time).
My answer would be (even if I wasn't sure or didn't believe the girlfriend) is that the girlfriend said she was fearful for her safety and asked me not to let him take her and I wanted the police to investigate to be sure. I didn't want to make the decision if she was being truthful or not. If someone tells you something like this you about have to take them at their word (at the time).
Im with you OBF....if I witnessed an altercation between a woman and a man and the woman was pleading for help, then how can you NOT respond?.....either help her or make a call....IF that really happened, then it was a puss move on the part of the valet.....
Lots of people let bad shit happen because they dont want to get involved(or are just afraid).....a shame, really
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All the news coming out about JM makes me think of this
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OK..... explain how that works.....and what would be done.
Good question. If he had a broken leg and couldn't play we still have to pay him. Of course we might be able to put him on PUP and save a roster spot?
WSS
Good question. If he had a broken leg and couldn't play we still have to pay him. Of course we might be able to put him on PUP and save a roster spot?
WSS
Steve, I'm thinking should the NFL suspend Manziel indefinitely (and that would be without pay) it's the exact same situation as Josh Gordon.
Now whether or not the Browns could cut him while he's suspended- that's another matter entirely.
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After a further personal investigation Zombos story checks out. He did leave some things out tho.
Zombo winks at Colleen. Colleen was immediately induced by her female hormones and had an orgasm. For thanking Zombo she winks back. Zombo then leaves the scene and Colleen was trying to explain herself when Johnny then called Zombo a name.
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"So mr Rodriguez, you did not then believe that Ms Crowley was in any danger?"
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My answer would be (even if I wasn't sure or didn't believe the girlfriend) is that the girlfriend said she was fearful for her safety and asked me not to let him take her and I wanted the police to investigate to be sure. I didn't want to make the decision if she was being truthful or not. If someone tells you something like this you about have to take them at their word (at the time).
"I'm confused, mr. Rodriguez. You wanted the police to make that decision, correct? Did you not think the police would come to this dangerous situation and sort it out if you did indeed call 9-1-1?"My answer would be (even if I wasn't sure or didn't believe the girlfriend) is that the girlfriend said she was fearful for her safety and asked me not to let him take her and I wanted the police to investigate to be sure. I didn't want to make the decision if she was being truthful or not. If someone tells you something like this you about have to take them at their word (at the time).
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I don't believe Manziel even got field sobriety tests on the incident?
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/10/legal_experts_surprised_police.html
The valet should have called the police and made a report. There is no question in my mind I would have done it even if I didn't fully believe the girlfriend because I could not take the chance. I would have made the report and let the police investigate.
"So mr Rodriguez, you did not then believe that Ms Crowley was in any danger?"
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"So mr Rodriguez, you did not then believe that Ms Crowley was in any danger?"
"I'm confused, mr. Rodriguez. You wanted the police to make that decision, correct? Did you not think the police would come to this dangerous situation and sort it out if you did indeed call 9-1-1?"
In court, what he believes or thought isnt at issue......only what he "saw" or witnessed....
His motives for not calling police or not helping are inconsequential....
All he has to say is "I didnt want to get involved"....
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"I'm confused, mr. Rodriguez. You wanted the police to make that decision, correct? Did you not think the police would come to this dangerous situation and sort it out if you did indeed call 9-1-1?"My answer would be (even if I wasn't sure or didn't believe the girlfriend) is that the girlfriend said she was fearful for her safety and asked me not to let him take her and I wanted the police to investigate to be sure. I didn't want to make the decision if she was being truthful or not. If someone tells you something like this you about have to take them at their word (at the time).
WSS
"I'm confused, mr. Rodriguez. You wanted the police to make that decision, correct? Did you not think the police would come to this dangerous situation and sort it out if you did indeed call 9-1-1?"
WSS
If Manziel had hurt or killed his girlfriend the question being asked by the police to Mr. Rodriguez would be "why didn't you call and report this?. Didn't she tell you she feared for her life? Didn't she ask you to help her?"
Mr. Rodriguez himself might get criminal charges for failing to make a report as Manziel's girlfriend was stating she was being taken against her will by Manziel. The girlfriend is reporting a crime as you cannot take someone against their will. In many states failure to report a crime is a crime itself.
It is the job of the police here to make the call if the girlfriend is truthful or not. The valet has a responsibility to report a crime but not to investigate one. The police will interview the girlfriend and Manziel and make the decision if there are to be criminal charges (although they may call the prosecutor for legal advice as to what possible charges are involved).
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"So mr Rodriguez, you did not then believe that Ms Crowley was in any danger?"
"I'm confused, mr. Rodriguez. You wanted the police to make that decision, correct? Did you not think the police would come to this dangerous situation and sort it out if you did indeed call 9-1-1?"
In court, what he believes or thought isnt at issue......only what he "saw" or witnessed....
His motives for not calling police or not helping are inconsequential....
All he has to say is "I didnt want to get involved"....
Well if you don't think that's relevant I think youre dreaming but stranger things happen. I would think his reasoning for not responding to what she said was a dangerous situation will be very relevant.In court, what he believes or thought isnt at issue......only what he "saw" or witnessed....
His motives for not calling police or not helping are inconsequential....
All he has to say is "I didnt want to get involved"....
What do you think Gipper?
WSS
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"I'm confused, mr. Rodriguez. You wanted the police to make that decision, correct? Did you not think the police would come to this dangerous situation and sort it out if you did indeed call 9-1-1?"
WSS
If Manziel had hurt or killed his girlfriend the question being asked by the police to Mr. Rodriguez would be "why didn't you call and report this?. Didn't she tell you she feared for her life? Didn't she ask you to help her?"
Mr. Rodriguez himself might get criminal charges for failing to make a report as Manziel's girlfriend was stating she was being taken against her will by Manziel. The girlfriend is reporting a crime as you cannot take someone against their will. In many states failure to report a crime is a crime itself.
It is the job of the police here to make the call if the girlfriend is truthful or not. The valet has a responsibility to report a crime but not to investigate one. The police will interview the girlfriend and Manziel and make the decision if there are to be criminal charges (although they may call the prosecutor for legal advice as to what possible charges are involved).
The valet is the only witness so his opinion on whether or not her story is credible is all we have to go on. Anyway that's what I'd ask if I was his attorney so...If Manziel had hurt or killed his girlfriend the question being asked by the police to Mr. Rodriguez would be "why didn't you call and report this?. Didn't she tell you she feared for her life? Didn't she ask you to help her?"
Mr. Rodriguez himself might get criminal charges for failing to make a report as Manziel's girlfriend was stating she was being taken against her will by Manziel. The girlfriend is reporting a crime as you cannot take someone against their will. In many states failure to report a crime is a crime itself.
It is the job of the police here to make the call not the valet. The police will interview the girlfriend and Manziel and make the decision if there are to be criminal charges (although they may call the prosecutor for legal advice as to what possible charges are involved).
Isn't there a Samaritan Law somewhere? And his involvement wouldn't have to be anything beyond just calling the cops.
I think that's what a normal person would do in that situation. I'm not suggesting he fight him.
WSS
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"I'm confused, mr. Rodriguez. You wanted the police to make that decision, correct? Did you not think the police would come to this dangerous situation and sort it out if you did indeed call 9-1-1?"
WSS
If Manziel had hurt or killed his girlfriend the question being asked by the police to Mr. Rodriguez would be "why didn't you call and report this?. Didn't she tell you she feared for her life? Didn't she ask you to help her?"
Mr. Rodriguez himself might get criminal charges for failing to make a report as Manziel's girlfriend was stating she was being taken against her will by Manziel. The girlfriend is reporting a crime as you cannot take someone against their will. In many states failure to report a crime is a crime itself.
It is the job of the police here to make the call if the girlfriend is truthful or not. The valet has a responsibility to report a crime but not to investigate one. The police will interview the girlfriend and Manziel and make the decision if there are to be criminal charges (although they may call the prosecutor for legal advice as to what possible charges are involved).
Mr. Rodriguez himself might get criminal charges for failing to make a report as Manziel's girlfriend was stating she was being taken against her will by Manziel. The girlfriend is reporting a crime as you cannot take someone against their will. In many states failure to report a crime is a crime itself.
But its not a crime in Texas...it's called "Duty to rescue" and is only enforceable in 10 states....and has a lot of language making it very difficult to enforce...
Well if you don't think that's relevant I think youre dreaming but stranger things happen. I would think his reasoning for not responding to what she said was a dangerous situation will be very relevant.
What do you think Gipper?
Im interested what Gipper says too....but Id think the court doesnt care about an individuals "opinion" of what was happening or would use a valets opinion as an expert opinion....maybe he's just a cowardly dumbass...
usually opinions are hearsay and facts are the only allowable testimony....
I think all he has to do is confirm her version of events....basically, that she asked him for help and he didnt respond.....because if a woman is asking for help, is it really up to the doorman to establish in court that she didnt need it?....does his judgement somehow supersede hers in a court of law?....especially since she's the one in danger and he's just a bystander who knows nothing about the situation?
The valet is the only witness so his opinion on whether or not her story is credible is all we have to go on. Anyway that's what I'd ask if I was his attorney so...
Isn't there a Samaritan Law somewhere? And his involvement wouldn't have to be anything beyond just calling the cops.
I think that's what a normal person would do in that situation. I'm not suggesting he fight him.
WSS
His opinion wont make a difference. 10 people could witness something and all come away with different opinions.....why should his be the "credible one"???.....if she asked for help and he confirms that, then it adds credibility to her story...
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I think we all agree the valet should have at least called the police and reported this when it happened. He told the girlfriend there was nothing he could do but he could at least have called 9-11 and reported to the police what the girlfriend had told him.
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The valet was probably given hush money. There would be no other plausible explanation.
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I think we all agree the valet should have at least called the police and reported this when it happened. He told the girlfriend there was nothing he could do but he could at least have called 9-11 and reported to the police what the girlfriend had told him.
I think we all agree the valet should have at least called the police and reported this when it happened. He told the girlfriend there was nothing he could do but he could at least have called 9-11 and reported to the police what the girlfriend had told him.
Absolutely....100% agree....
Let's not forget, in addition to rehab, Johnny also underwent therapy for anger management in college....so there is a believable precedent for him losing it.....
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The valet was probably given hush money. There would be no other plausible explanation.
Its a super high end hotel that caters to people with $$$.....the valet is probably conditioned to look the other way and not get involved in customers private business.....bad for tips....and for keeping your job "if" you're wrong....
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I think we all agree the valet should have at least called the police and reported this when it happened. He told the girlfriend there was nothing he could do but he could at least have called 9-11 and reported to the police what the girlfriend had told him.
Absolutely....100% agree....
Let's not forget, in addition to rehab, Johnny also underwent therapy for anger management in college....so there is a believable precedent for him losing it.....
One Post From the Truth said:
The valet was probably given hush money. There would be no other plausible explanation.
Its a super high end hotel that caters to people with $$$.....the valet is probably conditioned to look the other way and not get involved in customers private business.....bad for tips....and for keeping your job "if" you're wrong....
Absolutely....100% agree....
Let's not forget, in addition to rehab, Johnny also underwent therapy for anger management in college....so there is a believable precedent for him losing it.....
Its a super high end hotel that caters to people with $$$.....the valet is probably conditioned to look the other way and not get involved in customers private business.....bad for tips....and for keeping your job "if" you're wrong....
Well if I were the prosecutor or defense and you are correct Id think he was a pretty worthless witness.
WSS
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Now Dallas PD is investigating the incident
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To bad we all can't agree to move on from this train wreck. Still splitting hairs over his persona when we another organization wouldn't even blink about this one.
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Johnny ManzielQB
Age: 19 Height: 6′ 0″ Weight: 210
College: Texas A&M Accrued Seasons: 2
League Entry: 2014 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 22 (Browns)
Contract Details
Total Value: $8,248,596 (avg. $2,062,149/year; $7,707,913 fully guaranteed)
33rd highest of 79 QB contracts
Year Base Salary (Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap
Number
Dead Money & Cap Savings
Prorated Roster Workout Other
2014 $420,000 $420,000 $1,079,745 $0 $0 $0 $1,499,745
2015 $794,936 $794,936 $1,079,745 $0 $0 $0 $1,874,681
2016 $1,169,872 $1,169,872 $1,079,745 $0 $0 $0 $2,249,617 $4,333,487 ($2,083,870)
2017 $1,294,808 $1,004,125 $1,079,745 $250,000 $0 $0 $2,624,553 $2,083,870 $540,683
Embed This Contract <iframe src="http://overthecap.com/contract-embed/2961/" width="600" height="343" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe> Traditional Statistics (2012-present)
Year Games Played Passing Rushing Fumbles
Comp/Att Pct Yards TD INT Sacked Rating Att Yards Avg TD Total Lost
2014 4 18/35 51.4% 175 0 2 3 42.0 9 29 3.2 1 1 0
2015 9 129/223 57.8% 1500 7 5 19 79.4 37 230 6.2 0 6 3
Dead cap 4.3 mil cap hit. After June 1st it's cut down considerably.
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If he's charged with a crime the contract situation gets more muddy I believe.
He's also 5'11 not 6'0
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Zombo said:
You mean Quinn?
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wow, wasn't here on the board when the quinn thing happened and didn't realize he was a #22 as well.
hey sacky, what ever you do don't pick at 22. trade up or down but 22 is not for the browns.
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