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  • Here is a breakdown via years eligible of the recent HOF selections (and non selections)

    Brett Favre is the only one that was selected in his first year eligible.

    Orlando Pace was selected in his second time as a finalist.

    Tony Dungy, Marvin Harrison, and Dick Stanfel on their third time as finalists.

    .....but note Stanfel's other times as finalists were many years ago...in fact, he was a Senior Committee finalist in 1993 and did not make it then. Now he is in.

    Eddie DeBartolo and Ken Stabler were inducted in their 4th time as finalists.

    ....but note also, Stabler was Senior committee selection. The last time he was a regular finalist was 2003.

    Kevin Greene was in his 5th time as a Finalist and is now in. He was a finalist most times among all the finalists.

    Players/coaches that were finalist this year that did not get in and the number of times they have been finalists:

    1 time: Alan Faneca, Terrelle Owens, Joe Jacoby, Edgerinn James, Steve Atwater

    2 times: Kurt Warner, Terrell Davis

    3 times: Morten Andersen, Don Coryell, John Lynch.

    Here is a list of other people who have been HOF Finalists over the years, and the number of times they have been Finalist....but who have not been elected. Some of these could possibly come up again as finalist....and/or as Senior Committe nominees. As noted Dick Stanfel had not been on the HOF finals list since 1993....yet, here his is.....elected.

    Jimmy Johnson (coach) 1 time

    Roger Craig 1 time

    Bob Keuchenberg 8 times

    Paul Tagliabue 3 times (contributor)

    Marshall Goldberg 2 times

    Randy Gradishar 2 times

    Fred Dean 1 time

    Art Modell 2 times (contributor)

    LC Greenwood 6 times

    George Young 3 times (contributor)

    Cliff Harris 1 time

    Lester Hayes 4 times

    Donnie Shell 1 time

    Ken Anderson 2 times

    Jerry Kramer 10 times

    Willie Gallimore 1 time

    Lee Roy Jordan 1 time

    Lou Rymkus 1 time (Browns player)

    Blanton Collier (coach) 1 time Browns coach

    Johnny Robinson 6 times

    Mac Speedie 3 times Browns player

    Jim Tyrer 1 time

    Charlie Conerly 7 times

    Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb 2 times

    Clark Shaughnessy 3 times

    Rosey Grier 1 time

    Ole Haugsrud 1 time

    Tony Morabito 1 time

    Duke Slater 2 times

    Beattie Feathers 1 time

    Of those not in, who do you all think could make it eventually from these lists?

  • First time eligibles next year:

    2017

    LaDanian Tomlinson

    Brian Dawkins

    Jason Taylor

    Brian Waters

    Donovan McNabb

    Hines Ward

    Ricky Williams

    2018

    Ray Lewis

    Randy Moss

    Steve Hutchinson

    Brian Urlacher

    Donald Driver

    Jeff Saturday

  • Here is another category of discussion re the Hall of Fame: Why Dungy (other than race) over these guys:

    Marty Schottenheimer 200 wins 13 years in playoffs (but only 5-13 in postseason) no titles

    Dan Reeves 190 wins 4 Super Bowl appearances, all losses 11-9 in postseason

    Chuck Knox 186 wins 7-11 in postseason

    Mike Holmgren 161 wins. 1 Super Bowl win, 2 SB losses 13-11 in postseason

    Bill Cowher 149 wins. 1 Super Bowl win 1 Super Bowl loss 12-9 in postseason

    Dungy 139 wins 1 Super Bowl win 9-10 in postseason

    And there is these guys, all each with 2 championships under their belt:

    George Seifert

    Mike Shanahan

    Jimmy Johnson

    Tom Flores

    Lou Saban

    Buddy Parker

    Note: Only coach with 3 or more Championships under his belt not in HOF: Bill Belichick...still active.

  • I don't see any first timers next year getting in. LT would be the best bet if any.

  • I don't see any first timers next year getting in. LT would be the best bet if any.

    One Post From the Truth said:

    I don't see any first timers next year getting in. LT would be the best bet if any.

    Yea, I think Tomlinson is sure fire first year HOF. And LT is Lawrence Taylor. LDT is Tomlinson.

  • One Post From the Truth said:

    I don't see any first timers next year getting in. LT would be the best bet if any.

    Yea, I think Tomlinson is sure fire first year HOF. And LT is Lawrence Taylor. LDT is Tomlinson.

    @the-gipper said:

    Yea, I think Tomlinson is sure fire first year HOF. And LT is Lawrence Taylor. LDT is Tomlinson.

    I know. Just tired today buddy.
  • I am a Bucs fan, and don't think Dungy belongs..

    Did he turn the Bucs around? Yes! He also cost them 4-5 Super Bowl appearances due to being so hard headed....

    Peyton drug him kicking and screaming to his only Lombardi. Tom Flores HAS to be saying WTF?

  • VesnaKociper said:

    Joe Thomas should be in, NOW. No offensive lineman has ever had as much impact on the NFL as Joe Thomas.

    Before Joe Thomas came here, the Browns were a perennial 4 - 12 team. Now that this lard ass has been here 9 years, the Browns have blossomed into a perennial 4 - 12 team. But wait, there's more. Before JT we had no 3,000 yard passers, BUT once he got here, we improved to ZERO 3,000 yard passers. Wait for it, it gets better. Before Joe Lardass, we had no 1, 000 yard rushers, but with Joe leading the sweep, the Browns have had NINE CONSECUTIVE years of no 1,000 yard rushers. That's NINE fucking years in a row.

    Send this cocksucker right to the HOF, his eligiility has already been met he is so fucking good.

    HOF HOF HOF c'mon dickheads, cheer with me.

    LOL the "White" Al Sharpton has spoken 😁

  • Aww, I thought this was going to be a long list of all of the things Johnny has been through in his nervous breakdown.

  • Before JT we had no 3,000 yard passers, BUT once he got here, we improved to ZERO 3,000 yard passers

    2014 - Hoyer - 3326 yards

    2012 - Weeden - 3385 yards

    2007 - Anderson - 3787 yards

    Team totals have been below 3000 twice ('08 and '11) since JT was drafted.

    So, there's that.

  • Before JT we had no 3,000 yard passers, BUT once he got here, we improved to ZERO 3,000 yard passers

    2014 - Hoyer - 3326 yards

    2012 - Weeden - 3385 yards

    2007 - Anderson - 3787 yards

    Team totals have been below 3000 twice ('08 and '11) since JT was drafted.

    So, there's that.

    @gftchris said:

    Team totals have been below 3000 twice ('08 and '11) since JT was drafted.

    So, there's that.

    actually, just once.....3300 in 2011

  • I think it was tragic that Stabler didn't get in before he died. Truly one of the greats of the 70s.

    I also don't get why Clay Matthews isn't in, and Kevin Greene got it. Matthews, 18 seasons and was versatile and productive, while Kevin Greene played as mainly an edge rusher, piled up a bunch of sacks.

  • VesnaKociper said:

    Joe Thomas should be in, NOW. No offensive lineman has ever had as much impact on the NFL as Joe Thomas.

    Before Joe Thomas came here, the Browns were a perennial 4 - 12 team. Now that this lard ass has been here 9 years, the Browns have blossomed into a perennial 4 - 12 team. But wait, there's more. Before JT we had no 3,000 yard passers, BUT once he got here, we improved to ZERO 3,000 yard passers. Wait for it, it gets better. Before Joe Lardass, we had no 1, 000 yard rushers, but with Joe leading the sweep, the Browns have had NINE CONSECUTIVE years of no 1,000 yard rushers. That's NINE fucking years in a row.

    Send this cocksucker right to the HOF, his eligiility has already been met he is so fucking good.

    HOF HOF HOF c'mon dickheads, cheer with me.

    You're right about HOF for Joe, but I told you once already- short attention span doopa head. Not only WRONG about 3,000 yard passers, but regarding Browns 1,000 yard rushers. Jamal Lewis 2007, 2008. Peyton Hillis 2010. check your facts before you troll.

    And in case you didn't know it- pro football reference has Joe in the top 100 players of all time regardless of position since 1950. (Peyton Manning is #1)

  • I think it was tragic that Stabler didn't get in before he died. Truly one of the greats of the 70s.

    I also don't get why Clay Matthews isn't in, and Kevin Greene got it. Matthews, 18 seasons and was versatile and productive, while Kevin Greene played as mainly an edge rusher, piled up a bunch of sacks.

    @bob806 said:

    I think it was tragic that Stabler didn't get in before he died. Truly one of the greats of the 70s.

    I also don't get why Clay Matthews isn't in, and Kevin Greene got it. Matthews, 18 seasons and was versatile and productive, while Kevin Greene played as mainly an edge rusher, piled up a bunch of sacks.

    Those sacks are the only thing. In actuality, their careers were similar. They were equal in PFRs production average.

    Greene had a 95, Matthews a 94. Greene only made 669 tackles in his career, but had 160 sacks. 24% of his total tackles were sacks. That is pretty much all he did.

    Compare: Clay had 1561 tackles.....almost 3 times as many as Greene.....but he had 69.5 sacks.

    Fair to say that Green basically did one thing...rush the passer, where Clay rushed the passer, stopped the run, and covered receivers.

    The CA numbers must be skewed toward sacks.

  • @bob806 said:

    I think it was tragic that Stabler didn't get in before he died. Truly one of the greats of the 70s.

    I also don't get why Clay Matthews isn't in, and Kevin Greene got it. Matthews, 18 seasons and was versatile and productive, while Kevin Greene played as mainly an edge rusher, piled up a bunch of sacks.

    Those sacks are the only thing. In actuality, their careers were similar. They were equal in PFRs production average.

    Greene had a 95, Matthews a 94. Greene only made 669 tackles in his career, but had 160 sacks. 24% of his total tackles were sacks. That is pretty much all he did.

    Compare: Clay had 1561 tackles.....almost 3 times as many as Greene.....but he had 69.5 sacks.

    Fair to say that Green basically did one thing...rush the passer, where Clay rushed the passer, stopped the run, and covered receivers.

    The CA numbers must be skewed toward sacks.

    @the-gipper said:

    Those sacks are the only thing. In actuality, their careers were similar. They were equal in PFRs production average.

    Greene had a 95, Matthews a 94. Greene only made 669 tackles in his career, but had 160 sacks. 24% of his total tackles were sacks. That is pretty much all he did.

    Compare: Clay had 1561 tackles.....almost 3 times as many as Greene.....but he had 69.5 sacks.

    Fair to say that Green basically did one thing...rush the passer, where Clay rushed the passer, stopped the run, and covered receivers.

    The CA numbers must be skewed toward sacks.

    1561 is a LOT of tackles too(3rd most ALL TIME in the NFL).....esp compared to 670....Id add that they didnt start keeping sack totals until well after Clay was in the league., so he got screwed out of several years production(still wouldnt be near Greenes total, but getting in on sacks alone doesnt seem right either).....

    Homer view or not, in my book, Mathews is a HOFer all the way.....

  • Here is an interesting stat break out.....and before anyone freaks out, Im not implying Dansby is better than Lewis......just saying these are some interesting numbers....make of them what you will.....

    I noted that Dansby and Ray Lewis have very similar stats, and in fact, Dansby has overall better #'s, even though he has played 5 years less than Lewis....so I decided just to break it out into a yearly average and see how it looked....

    Ray Lewis.........(per season) = 78 tkls....2.4 sacks....1.8 ints....3.9 Pdef....1.0 FF...7.0.TFL

    Carlos Dansby..(per season) = 100 tkls..3.4 sacks....1.6 ints....5.7 Pdef....1.5 FF...9.5 TFL

    So....technically....Id say Dansby has him beat, based solely upon stats....more tackles, more sacks, more tackles for loss, more forced fumbles.....and "almost" as much mouth....

  • Here is an interesting stat break out.....and before anyone freaks out, Im not implying Dansby is better than Lewis......just saying these are some interesting numbers....make of them what you will.....

    I noted that Dansby and Ray Lewis have very similar stats, and in fact, Dansby has overall better #'s, even though he has played 5 years less than Lewis....so I decided just to break it out into a yearly average and see how it looked....

    Ray Lewis.........(per season) = 78 tkls....2.4 sacks....1.8 ints....3.9 Pdef....1.0 FF...7.0.TFL

    Carlos Dansby..(per season) = 100 tkls..3.4 sacks....1.6 ints....5.7 Pdef....1.5 FF...9.5 TFL

    So....technically....Id say Dansby has him beat, based solely upon stats....more tackles, more sacks, more tackles for loss, more forced fumbles.....and "almost" as much mouth....

    @mudfly said:

    Here is an interesting stat break out.....and before anyone freaks out, Im not implying Dansby is better than Lewis......just saying these are some interesting numbers....make of them what you will.....

    I noted that Dansby and Ray Lewis have very similar stats, and in fact, Dansby has overall better #'s, even though he has played 5 years less than Lewis....so I decided just to break it out into a yearly average and see how it looked....

    Ray Lewis.........(per season) = 78 tkls....2.4 sacks....1.8 ints....3.9 Pdef....1.0 FF...7.0.TFL

    Carlos Dansby..(per season) = 100 tkls..3.4 sacks....1.6 ints....5.7 Pdef....1.5 FF...9.5 TFL

    So....technically....Id say Dansby has him beat, based solely upon stats....more tackles, more sacks, more tackles for loss, more forced fumbles.....and "almost" as much mouth....

    Fewer murder investigations though.

  • @mudfly said:

    Here is an interesting stat break out.....and before anyone freaks out, Im not implying Dansby is better than Lewis......just saying these are some interesting numbers....make of them what you will.....

    I noted that Dansby and Ray Lewis have very similar stats, and in fact, Dansby has overall better #'s, even though he has played 5 years less than Lewis....so I decided just to break it out into a yearly average and see how it looked....

    Ray Lewis.........(per season) = 78 tkls....2.4 sacks....1.8 ints....3.9 Pdef....1.0 FF...7.0.TFL

    Carlos Dansby..(per season) = 100 tkls..3.4 sacks....1.6 ints....5.7 Pdef....1.5 FF...9.5 TFL

    So....technically....Id say Dansby has him beat, based solely upon stats....more tackles, more sacks, more tackles for loss, more forced fumbles.....and "almost" as much mouth....

    Fewer murder investigations though.

    @gftchris said:

    Fewer murder investigations though.

    Ha!....absolutely right....

  • Here is an interesting stat break out.....and before anyone freaks out, Im not implying Dansby is better than Lewis......just saying these are some interesting numbers....make of them what you will.....

    I noted that Dansby and Ray Lewis have very similar stats, and in fact, Dansby has overall better #'s, even though he has played 5 years less than Lewis....so I decided just to break it out into a yearly average and see how it looked....

    Ray Lewis.........(per season) = 78 tkls....2.4 sacks....1.8 ints....3.9 Pdef....1.0 FF...7.0.TFL

    Carlos Dansby..(per season) = 100 tkls..3.4 sacks....1.6 ints....5.7 Pdef....1.5 FF...9.5 TFL

    So....technically....Id say Dansby has him beat, based solely upon stats....more tackles, more sacks, more tackles for loss, more forced fumbles.....and "almost" as much mouth....

    @mudfly said:

    Here is an interesting stat break out.....and before anyone freaks out, Im not implying Dansby is better than Lewis......just saying these are some interesting numbers....make of them what you will.....

    I noted that Dansby and Ray Lewis have very similar stats, and in fact, Dansby has overall better #'s, even though he has played 5 years less than Lewis....so I decided just to break it out into a yearly average and see how it looked....

    Ray Lewis.........(per season) = 78 tkls....2.4 sacks....1.8 ints....3.9 Pdef....1.0 FF...7.0.TFL

    Carlos Dansby..(per season) = 100 tkls..3.4 sacks....1.6 ints....5.7 Pdef....1.5 FF...9.5 TFL

    So....technically....Id say Dansby has him beat, based solely upon stats....more tackles, more sacks, more tackles for loss, more forced fumbles.....and "almost" as much mouth....

    Well, Lewis was the leader of a defense that won 2 Super Bowls....so that obviously helps.

    Lewis is also #7 overall in Production average....behind only the likes of Peyton, Favre, Rice, Reggie White, Bruce Smith and Tarkenton.

    Dansby so far has not cracked the Top 250 in that category.

  • @mudfly said:

    Here is an interesting stat break out.....and before anyone freaks out, Im not implying Dansby is better than Lewis......just saying these are some interesting numbers....make of them what you will.....

    I noted that Dansby and Ray Lewis have very similar stats, and in fact, Dansby has overall better #'s, even though he has played 5 years less than Lewis....so I decided just to break it out into a yearly average and see how it looked....

    Ray Lewis.........(per season) = 78 tkls....2.4 sacks....1.8 ints....3.9 Pdef....1.0 FF...7.0.TFL

    Carlos Dansby..(per season) = 100 tkls..3.4 sacks....1.6 ints....5.7 Pdef....1.5 FF...9.5 TFL

    So....technically....Id say Dansby has him beat, based solely upon stats....more tackles, more sacks, more tackles for loss, more forced fumbles.....and "almost" as much mouth....

    Well, Lewis was the leader of a defense that won 2 Super Bowls....so that obviously helps.

    Lewis is also #7 overall in Production average....behind only the likes of Peyton, Favre, Rice, Reggie White, Bruce Smith and Tarkenton.

    Dansby so far has not cracked the Top 250 in that category.

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, Lewis was the leader of a defense that won 2 Super Bowls....so that obviously helps.

    Lewis is also #7 overall in Production average....behind only the likes of Peyton, Favre, Rice, Reggie White, Bruce Smith and Tarkenton.

    Dansby so far has not cracked the Top 250 in that category.

    AV?....I wonder how they come up with that, considering it cant just be stats....they must really weight winning as well as their estimate on how much that player is responsible for the wins???