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Chris's fave Bernie Sanders.. wants more taxes to bail out student loans

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  • LogicIsForSquares LogicIsForSquaresL Dedicated Reacting Well Conversation Starter Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by LogicIsForSquares
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    Wall Street crying foul about it after getting billions of tax payer dollars in bailout would be real cute. The biggest welfare queens are the big banks in this country.

    Of course getting student loan debt forgiven is appealing. If someone is offering to forgive my debt, I wouldn't turn it down. Until then, I am paying it off like every other stiff.

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      I think you should get your money back if you buy an expensive guitar and it turns out you suck at playing it.

      😁

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        I think you should get your money back if you buy an expensive guitar and it turns out you suck at playing it.

        😁

        WSS

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        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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        @westside-steve said:

        I think you should get your money back if you buy an expensive guitar and it turns out you suck at playing it.

        😁

        WSS

        It is a niche vote but start putting together your super PAC.

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          W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
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          Ha.

          I know three people with unpaid student loans, one for fashion design, one for social work and one for law enforcement. All three of which sitting on their ass on or under employed for many years.

          As far as I know none of the three has even applied for a job in any of those fields.

          WSS

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          • W Westside Steve

            Ha.

            I know three people with unpaid student loans, one for fashion design, one for social work and one for law enforcement. All three of which sitting on their ass on or under employed for many years.

            As far as I know none of the three has even applied for a job in any of those fields.

            WSS

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            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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            @westside-steve said:

            Ha.

            I know three people with unpaid student loans, one for fashion design, one for social work and one for law enforcement. All three of which sitting on their ass on or under employed for many years.

            As far as I know none of the three has even applied for a job in any of those fields.

            WSS

            Right there, three great examples of degree courses that don't need to exist.

            Meanwhile, woody did engineering and has paid his off (impressively quickly). I did math and will pay mine off this year (five years after I started repaying).

            Compare and contrast.

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              @westside-steve said:

              Ha.

              I know three people with unpaid student loans, one for fashion design, one for social work and one for law enforcement. All three of which sitting on their ass on or under employed for many years.

              As far as I know none of the three has even applied for a job in any of those fields.

              WSS

              Right there, three great examples of degree courses that don't need to exist.

              Meanwhile, woody did engineering and has paid his off (impressively quickly). I did math and will pay mine off this year (five years after I started repaying).

              Compare and contrast.

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              W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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              @gftchris said:

              Right there, three great examples of degree courses that don't need to exist.

              Meanwhile, woody did engineering and has paid his off (impressively quickly). I did math and will pay mine off this year (five years after I started repaying).

              Compare and contrast.

              We might possibly be in agreement here!

              WSS

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                OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                I'm sure tuition rates are too high but that doesn't stop some universities from shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars for a 30 minute speech from Hillary Clinton.

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                  I'm sure tuition rates are too high but that doesn't stop some universities from shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars for a 30 minute speech from Hillary Clinton.

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                  gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                  @oldbrownsfan said:

                  I'm sure tuition rates are too high but that doesn't stop some universities from shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars for a 30 minute speech from Hillary Clinton.

                  Yep. Why? Off the top of my head, to boost the profile, and get either more people applying, or more donations from alumni (towards their sports team?).

                  Really not sure. Also, is it only Hillary that gives speeches at universities? Or all establishment politicians?

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                    OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                    On an October evening in 2013, Hillary Clinton addressed a crowd of more than 6,000 at the University at Buffalo -- a public college in upstate New York -- speaking in a low-key, folksy manner about economic growth in the state's second largest city.

                    The 30-minute speech earned Clinton $275,000 -- a hefty chunk of the $2 million in total she has received for delivering university speeches since leaving her post as secretary of state in February 2013.

                    On Monday, Clinton, now the Democratic presidential frontrunner, unveiled a $350 billion bailout plan for college graduates faced with crushing student debt dubbed "the new college compact" -- a proposal her critics cast as blatantly hypocritical and disingenuous. The fee paid by the University at Buffalo could have covered a year of tuition for 42 students at the public institution -- an irony her detractors, including rival GOP presidential candidates, were quick to point out.

                    Clinton, however, has said every dollar earned speaking at universities has gone into the philanthropic work of the Clinton Foundation and not for personal gain. 😁

                    The University of California at Los Angeles doled out $300,000 for Clinton to speak in March 2014, while the University of Nevada at Las Vegas paid $225,000 in October 2014.

                    In emails obtained by the Washington Post, officials at UCLA tried to bargain down the cost but were told by Clinton's representatives at the Harry Walker Agency that $300,000 is the "special university rate." lol 😮

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                    • W Westside Steve

                      Ha.

                      I know three people with unpaid student loans, one for fashion design, one for social work and one for law enforcement. All three of which sitting on their ass on or under employed for many years.

                      As far as I know none of the three has even applied for a job in any of those fields.

                      WSS

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                      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                      @westside-steve said:

                      Ha.

                      I know three people with unpaid student loans, one for fashion design, one for social work and one for law enforcement. All three of which sitting on their ass on or under employed for many years.

                      As far as I know none of the three has even applied for a job in any of those fields.

                      WSS

                      You can avoid every debt possible except for student loan and taxes. They will be unhappy folks if they refuse to pay up.

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                      • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

                        @westside-steve said:

                        Ha.

                        I know three people with unpaid student loans, one for fashion design, one for social work and one for law enforcement. All three of which sitting on their ass on or under employed for many years.

                        As far as I know none of the three has even applied for a job in any of those fields.

                        WSS

                        You can avoid every debt possible except for student loan and taxes. They will be unhappy folks if they refuse to pay up.

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                        bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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                        @logicisforsquares said:

                        You can avoid every debt possible except for student loan and taxes. They will be unhappy folks if they refuse to pay up.

                        Depends on the student loan. Federal loans are really relaxed. They'll let you just keep deferring forever

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                          @logicisforsquares said:

                          You can avoid every debt possible except for student loan and taxes. They will be unhappy folks if they refuse to pay up.

                          Depends on the student loan. Federal loans are really relaxed. They'll let you just keep deferring forever

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                          gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                          @bbedward said:

                          Depends on the student loan. Federal loans are really relaxed. They'll let you just keep deferring forever

                          Here the government loans you get for education, you are required to pay back when you start earning, at the rate of 9% of your salary over £21k.

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                            @oldbrownsfan said:

                            I'm sure tuition rates are too high but that doesn't stop some universities from shelling out hundreds of thousands of dollars for a 30 minute speech from Hillary Clinton.

                            Yep. Why? Off the top of my head, to boost the profile, and get either more people applying, or more donations from alumni (towards their sports team?).

                            Really not sure. Also, is it only Hillary that gives speeches at universities? Or all establishment politicians?

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                            MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                            @gftchris said:

                            Yep. Why? Off the top of my head, to boost the profile, and get either more people applying, or more donations from alumni (towards their sports team?).

                            Really not sure. Also, is it only Hillary that gives speeches at universities? Or all establishment politicians?

                            Only Hillary has ever given a paid for speech at a college. Duh

                            Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                              @logicisforsquares said:

                              You can avoid every debt possible except for student loan and taxes. They will be unhappy folks if they refuse to pay up.

                              Depends on the student loan. Federal loans are really relaxed. They'll let you just keep deferring forever

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                              LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                              @bbedward said:

                              Depends on the student loan. Federal loans are really relaxed. They'll let you just keep deferring forever

                              I have not experienced such a thing haha. They were right up my ass as soon as the 6 months were up after graduation.

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                              • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

                                @bbedward said:

                                Depends on the student loan. Federal loans are really relaxed. They'll let you just keep deferring forever

                                I have not experienced such a thing haha. They were right up my ass as soon as the 6 months were up after graduation.

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                                gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                @logicisforsquares said:

                                I have not experienced such a thing haha. They were right up my ass as soon as the 6 months were up after graduation.

                                It's a bit of a dick move to demand repayments a certain amount of time after graduation. If you don't have a job, you likely don't have any money. That's something I like about the student loans here (plenty I don't like!) - that you only start paying it back once you reach an income threshold. It's not high, but it's well above minimum wage.

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                                  @gftchris said:

                                  Yep. Why? Off the top of my head, to boost the profile, and get either more people applying, or more donations from alumni (towards their sports team?).

                                  Really not sure. Also, is it only Hillary that gives speeches at universities? Or all establishment politicians?

                                  Only Hillary has ever given a paid for speech at a college. Duh

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                                  OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                  @mld-woody said:

                                  Only Hillary has ever given a paid for speech at a college. Duh

                                  Without checking I would bet nobody else even comes close to gouging colleges for a speech like Hillary Clinton... She told UCLA they were getting the Clinton bargain special at $300,000 when they asked if she would lower her speaking fee. Also the point is that colleges who gouge students with high tuition should be wiser with their spending instead of giving an old political hack like Clinton hundreds of thousands of dollars for a 30 minute speech.

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                                    @westside-steve said:

                                    Ha.

                                    I know three people with unpaid student loans, one for fashion design, one for social work and one for law enforcement. All three of which sitting on their ass on or under employed for many years.

                                    As far as I know none of the three has even applied for a job in any of those fields.

                                    WSS

                                    Right there, three great examples of degree courses that don't need to exist.

                                    Meanwhile, woody did engineering and has paid his off (impressively quickly). I did math and will pay mine off this year (five years after I started repaying).

                                    Compare and contrast.

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                                    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                    @gftchris said:

                                    Right there, three great examples of degree courses that don't need to exist.

                                    Meanwhile, woody did engineering and has paid his off (impressively quickly). I did math and will pay mine off this year (five years after I started repaying).

                                    Compare and contrast.

                                    Thank you. I had a few things going for me

                                    1. Lucky to have a dad that saved up money for college. 50k a year out of state would have been impossible otherwise.

                                    2. Michigan isn't big on financial aid to out of state students (Illinois was much more generous). But I was offered federal loans that were easier to pay off

                                    3. I co-op'd one winter and was part time another, so only 6.5 semesters to pay

                                    Still though, I couldn't have afforded grad school (even if I wanted to).

                                    All things considered, I'm pretty lucky

                                    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      Only Hillary has ever given a paid for speech at a college. Duh

                                      Without checking I would bet nobody else even comes close to gouging colleges for a speech like Hillary Clinton... She told UCLA they were getting the Clinton bargain special at $300,000 when they asked if she would lower her speaking fee. Also the point is that colleges who gouge students with high tuition should be wiser with their spending instead of giving an old political hack like Clinton hundreds of thousands of dollars for a 30 minute speech.

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                                      bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by bbedward
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                                      @oldbrownsfan said:

                                      Without checking I would bet nobody else even comes close to gouging colleges for a speech like Hillary Clinton... She told UCLA they were getting the Clinton bargain special at $300,000 when they asked if she would lower her speaking fee. Also the point is that colleges who gouge students with high tuition should be wiser with their spending instead of giving an old political hack like Clinton hundreds of thousands of dollars for a 30 minute speech.

                                      Clinton also doesn't pay the crew (sound crew, light screw, etc, etc.) until they send her several invoices for several months (I've seen multiple people on said crews say they couldn't get her team to pay them)

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                                        I don't know why people don't understand that student loan debt 1) the system needs an overhaul and 2) that shit needs to be forgiven. So many graduates are working at salaries WELL under what their degree required so if we want them to be functioning and "consuming" members of society, ie contributing to economic growth....something has to be done. This is why part of me is on board with ole comrade Sanders about college tuition....but what I wish he would do is qualify it with "certain degrees". As was said before, interpretive dance doesn't need to be covered by the taxpayer.

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                                          I don't know why you don't understand "personal responsibility".

                                          dammit. Somebody accrues 200,000 bucks to go to art school....

                                          and they sell one painting for five bucks in a year.....

                                          and poor them, we should bail them out???

                                          Meanwhile, I had to turn away from my keyboard because I was drinking green tea.

                                          Almost sprayed my keyboard. Dammit, Steve. LOLLOL

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                                          I think you should get your money back if you buy an expensive guitar and it turns out you suck at playing it.
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