Camp Cook
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Gipper read a fortune cookie Last 4th of July that said there would be no first round QBs this year. He then decided that since QB isn't a very important position that the Browns might as well take the 5th QB prospect on the board. if there's anything that every QB the Browns drafted after Couch has taught us it's that the bargain bin is the best place to find a franchise signal caller.
No, that fortune cookie said that no QB is first round talent. And the fortune cookie was written by Bill Polian.
Not one motherfucker on this board can guarantee that the likes of Lynch/Goff/Wentz will turn out to be a better NFL QB than Cook/Hackenberg/Prescott/Cardale.
You just don't fucking know.
No, that fortune cookie said that no QB is first round talent. And the fortune cookie was written by Bill Polian.
Not one motherfucker on this board can guarantee that the likes of Lynch/Goff/Wentz will turn out to be a better NFL QB than Cook/Hackenberg/Prescott/Cardale.
You just don't fucking know.
If you're waiting for guarantees you'll be waiting a long time and drafting nobody.
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It is called Camp Cook.....but as I said, it could be Camp Cook/Cardale/Prescott/Hackenberg.
People think there are 3 QBs in this draft that are so great.
Well, history shows that sometimes it is to lower rated QB that do as well or better when it actually comes to play this game.
I mean, Dan Marino was the 6th QB to be taken his year. Montana was 3rd round. Russell Wilson. etc.
Who is the Redskins QB? The guy taken #2 or the guy taken in round 4.
I am simply being egalitarian.
You mean like in 2014 when we took the second (#1-22), 2012 we took the fourth (#1-22), 2010 colt mccoy was the fourth taken (#3-21), brady quinn was second in 2007 (#1-22)?
Saying "well you might also get a great QB later in the draft, so let's not worry about the top" is stupid.
You mean like in 2014 when we took the second (#1-22), 2012 we took the fourth (#1-22), 2010 colt mccoy was the fourth taken (#3-21), brady quinn was second in 2007 (#1-22)?
Saying "well you might also get a great QB later in the draft, so let's not worry about the top" is stupid.
And remember when RGIII was taken #2 overall. And when Jamarcus Russell was taken #1 overall. And when Joey Harrington was taken #3 overall. etc. etc. etc.
You can do bad at the beginning, middle and end.
I guess my point is that I would like to take defense with our first pick. In case you didn't notice, Sunday proved that defense wins championship. I think a Bosa is a more sure thing that any of the QBs.
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Yea I don't understand why you would want to draft Goff or Wentz when you could just draft Hackenberg or Prescott. What's the difference?
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You mean like in 2014 when we took the second (#1-22), 2012 we took the fourth (#1-22), 2010 colt mccoy was the fourth taken (#3-21), brady quinn was second in 2007 (#1-22)?
Saying "well you might also get a great QB later in the draft, so let's not worry about the top" is stupid.
And remember when RGIII was taken #2 overall. And when Jamarcus Russell was taken #1 overall. And when Joey Harrington was taken #3 overall. etc. etc. etc.
You can do bad at the beginning, middle and end.
I guess my point is that I would like to take defense with our first pick. In case you didn't notice, Sunday proved that defense wins championship. I think a Bosa is a more sure thing that any of the QBs.
And remember when RGIII was taken #2 overall. And when Jamarcus Russell was taken #1 overall. And when Joey Harrington was taken #3 overall. etc. etc. etc.
You can do bad at the beginning, middle and end.
I guess my point is that I would like to take defense with our first pick. In case you didn't notice, Sunday proved that defense wins championship. I think a Bosa is a more sure thing that any of the QBs.
If your point is you'd rather go defense first I can get on board with that. I wouldn't be devastated if we drafted Bosa a #2. But to say 'its a shit show, so just pick whoever' is not anything resembling good decision making.
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No, that fortune cookie said that no QB is first round talent. And the fortune cookie was written by Bill Polian.
Not one motherfucker on this board can guarantee that the likes of Lynch/Goff/Wentz will turn out to be a better NFL QB than Cook/Hackenberg/Prescott/Cardale.
You just don't fucking know.
If you're waiting for guarantees you'll be waiting a long time and drafting nobody.
If you're waiting for guarantees you'll be waiting a long time and drafting nobody.
Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
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Yea I don't understand why you would want to draft Goff or Wentz when you could just draft Hackenberg or Prescott. What's the difference?
Yea I don't understand why you would want to draft Goff or Wentz when you could just draft Hackenberg or Prescott. What's the difference?
You are not listening. I want Bosa with our #2 pick....the closest thing to a Sure Thing. He is the Nicolette Sheridan. If Goff or Wentz are there later (they should be based on their talent rating....but not likely to be there because they are QBs) then I am all for taking them. But they are the Daphne Zunigas.
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And remember when RGIII was taken #2 overall. And when Jamarcus Russell was taken #1 overall. And when Joey Harrington was taken #3 overall. etc. etc. etc.
You can do bad at the beginning, middle and end.
I guess my point is that I would like to take defense with our first pick. In case you didn't notice, Sunday proved that defense wins championship. I think a Bosa is a more sure thing that any of the QBs.
If your point is you'd rather go defense first I can get on board with that. I wouldn't be devastated if we drafted Bosa a #2. But to say 'its a shit show, so just pick whoever' is not anything resembling good decision making.
If your point is you'd rather go defense first I can get on board with that. I wouldn't be devastated if we drafted Bosa a #2. But to say 'its a shit show, so just pick whoever' is not anything resembling good decision making.
This thread is based on two assumptions:
A. That I want Bosa.
B. That Goff/Lynch/Wentz will be gone by the time our #32 is up. Thus, if we still need to go for a QB....what would be the next best available? I used Cook to start off....simply because he had been given such high ratings prior to the last college season starting.
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If you're waiting for guarantees you'll be waiting a long time and drafting nobody.
Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
Me too. And after we just watched Denver's D run them through the playoffs, who could argue against building a dominating D first?
QB's win Superbowls was the argument being used most often for taking a QB @ #2 overall. Tell Cam that in his post-game interview.
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If you're waiting for guarantees you'll be waiting a long time and drafting nobody.
Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
That's not crazy. The thread though comes off as 'none of these QBs are going to be any good, so lets just take a shot in the dark and hope'
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Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
That's not crazy. The thread though comes off as 'none of these QBs are going to be any good, so lets just take a shot in the dark and hope'
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Yea I don't understand why you would want to draft Goff or Wentz when you could just draft Hackenberg or Prescott. What's the difference?
You are not listening. I want Bosa with our #2 pick....the closest thing to a Sure Thing. He is the Nicolette Sheridan. If Goff or Wentz are there later (they should be based on their talent rating....but not likely to be there because they are QBs) then I am all for taking them. But they are the Daphne Zunigas.
You are not listening. I want Bosa with our #2 pick....the closest thing to a Sure Thing. He is the Nicolette Sheridan. If Goff or Wentz are there later (they should be based on their talent rating....but not likely to be there because they are QBs) then I am all for taking them. But they are the Daphne Zunigas.
No I think it's a fine opinion you want Bosa at #2 - but that's not the idea you've been trying to get across. (where's Camp Bosa?)
Almost every big board right now has at least 2 QBs in the top 20 in the overall talent pool - I just don't see how you can lump all the QBs in the same category.
I see much less of a drop off from Bosa to Spence, Nassib, Calhoun than I see from Goff to Hackenberg. There's also a real possibility the Tits take Bosa.
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I'm not sure how Bosa is considered the closest thing to a sure thing.
He's not even the highest rated DE in the draft right now...
Is it just because he's a Buckeye?
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I'm not sure how Bosa is considered the closest thing to a sure thing.
He's not even the highest rated DE in the draft right now...
Is it just because he's a Buckeye?
I'm not sure how Bosa is considered the closest thing to a sure thing.
He's not even the highest rated DE in the draft right now...
Is it just because he's a Buckeye?
It's because he's been the 'consensus best player' for a year or two now, and gipper apparently places a lot of stock in draft scouting from a year ago.
Closest to a sure thing? Must be Tunsil, I guess. Outside of that Bosa seems to have a very high floor. Buckner is the only other DE I've seen going above Bosa, but don't know much about him - I assume that's who you mean?
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I'm not sure how Bosa is considered the closest thing to a sure thing.
He's not even the highest rated DE in the draft right now...
Is it just because he's a Buckeye?
It's because he's been the 'consensus best player' for a year or two now, and gipper apparently places a lot of stock in draft scouting from a year ago.
Closest to a sure thing? Must be Tunsil, I guess. Outside of that Bosa seems to have a very high floor. Buckner is the only other DE I've seen going above Bosa, but don't know much about him - I assume that's who you mean?
It's because he's been the 'consensus best player' for a year or two now, and gipper apparently places a lot of stock in draft scouting from a year ago.
Closest to a sure thing? Must be Tunsil, I guess. Outside of that Bosa seems to have a very high floor. Buckner is the only other DE I've seen going above Bosa, but don't know much about him - I assume that's who you mean?
I'm not knocking him, just wondering. I just don't see the same sure thing that everyone else sees, I guess. I think Bosa is a little more scheme-dependent, he'd probably fare better as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB...and I don't see him as a 3-4 DE whatsoever, IMO.
Higher floor, absolutely. Bosa will likely be an above average NFL DE for the next 10-12 years, with a couple Pro Bowl years probably thrown in there. But I don't see this truly transcendent talent that would make me want to overlook QB.
Buckner has a higher prospect score on NFL (take that for what you will) and I just personally think he has more potential to be a game changing DE than Bosa does. And you draft for what they might do in the NFL, not what they did do in college.
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Plus Buckner played in a 3-4.
But the fact he played on a pass-happy team (the scout termers he goes against are built for that) in a pass-happy conference scares me. And yes, I realize Oregon runs the ball a lot. But it's always out of the shotgun and not a realistic NFL depiction.
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Bosa is a great player, but as mentioned before his skillset is better suited to a 4-3 defense and as much as I love Ohio State, I wouldn't want Bosa on the Browns because of some off-field issues + there are other very good defensive ends coming out in this draft.
off-field issues I have with him:
1.) he originally stated he did not want to play for the Browns, then turned it around and said he'd like to play in Ohio and grow the "Bosa brand". I would rather have a player dedicated to the team, not himself; that kind of diva attitude is off-putting.
2.) the suspension early this year.
raises a red flag. I want a player that is 100% dedicated to his team and football. The academic aspect is really troubling if it's true. Realistically, all football players have to do is show up to class to get a passing grade, if he's not dedicated enough for that will he be dedicated enough to study playbooks and tape?
No doubt Bosa is a talented football player, but I don't see him as a fit on the Browns. We'll see what happens in April.
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It's two days after the Super Bowl, so I didn't take a close look in the draft process, yet. Right now, I'm neither into Camp Goff, nor Wentz, Lynch, Cook, ...
But I think we should make a statement and take a QB with our No.2 Pick and make it clear, that this is our guy. When we have the guy, Hue Jackson can decide if he let him play from Day 1 like Jacksonvlle did with Blake Bortles or eventually give him a redshirt year.
The problem i have with taking a QB at No.32 is, that I think,that a guy who fell to No.32 isn't your day 1 QB. And even if he would sit behind Josh McCown for a while, at some point during the season some guys will scream,that he has to start. Look at JM how this worked out if you let a guy who isn't ready start,just because he's a first round pick.
I don't wanna say, that we wouldn't get a quality QB in the late first or early second round, but I think, that he wouldn't get enough time in Cleveland to become a NFL ready QB before he sees the field.
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I am simply being egalitarian.
I agree... you are incapable of discerning a difference.
Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
Actually you are arguing "closest", but let's set that aside.
How do you compare Bosa's chances in a 3-4 vs. a 4-3?
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You are not listening. I want Bosa with our #2 pick....the closest thing to a Sure Thing. He is the Nicolette Sheridan. If Goff or Wentz are there later (they should be based on their talent rating....but not likely to be there because they are QBs) then I am all for taking them. But they are the Daphne Zunigas.
No I think it's a fine opinion you want Bosa at #2 - but that's not the idea you've been trying to get across. (where's Camp Bosa?)
Almost every big board right now has at least 2 QBs in the top 20 in the overall talent pool - I just don't see how you can lump all the QBs in the same category.
I see much less of a drop off from Bosa to Spence, Nassib, Calhoun than I see from Goff to Hackenberg. There's also a real possibility the Tits take Bosa.
No I think it's a fine opinion you want Bosa at #2 - but that's not the idea you've been trying to get across. (where's Camp Bosa?)
Almost every big board right now has at least 2 QBs in the top 20 in the overall talent pool - I just don't see how you can lump all the QBs in the same category.
I see much less of a drop off from Bosa to Spence, Nassib, Calhoun than I see from Goff to Hackenberg. There's also a real possibility the Tits take Bosa.
That is because you see what you want to see....not what may really be out there. You are seeing Goff through orgasmic eyelids.
I lump these QBs all together because I think they all should be lumped together.
And I am fully aware that the Tits may take Bosa. They should take Bosa. I am only hoping they don't.
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I'm not sure how Bosa is considered the closest thing to a sure thing.
He's not even the highest rated DE in the draft right now...
Is it just because he's a Buckeye?
I'm not sure how Bosa is considered the closest thing to a sure thing.
He's not even the highest rated DE in the draft right now...
Is it just because he's a Buckeye?
Not sure WTF you are looking at. Nearly everyone still has him as the #1 overall prospects.
Oh, what....is there someone out there that thinks its hip to be stupid? To not put him at #1.
Sure, they may be outliers....but he is as much a consensus #1 pick as anyone we have seen lately.
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No I think it's a fine opinion you want Bosa at #2 - but that's not the idea you've been trying to get across. (where's Camp Bosa?)
Almost every big board right now has at least 2 QBs in the top 20 in the overall talent pool - I just don't see how you can lump all the QBs in the same category.
I see much less of a drop off from Bosa to Spence, Nassib, Calhoun than I see from Goff to Hackenberg. There's also a real possibility the Tits take Bosa.
That is because you see what you want to see....not what may really be out there. You are seeing Goff through orgasmic eyelids.
I lump these QBs all together because I think they all should be lumped together.
And I am fully aware that the Tits may take Bosa. They should take Bosa. I am only hoping they don't.
That is because you see what you want to see....not what may really be out there.
I'm pretty sure the case is the opposite. You say "no QB is a first round talent" based on a report from before the college season even started and ignore everything that disagrees with you (literally everybody disagrees with you)
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