Jonathan Paul Manziel

Zombo

@the-user-from-cleveland said:

"Report: Johnny Manziel was drunk at practice, Browns lied to cover him"

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25478521/report-johnny-manziel-showed-up-drunk-to-practice-browns-lied-to-cover-it-up

I wonder if the NFL will investigate this.

Not that we can be in trouble for "enabling", but falsifying an injury report.

Wouldn't the doctors that examined him have to be in on it too?

If he was drunk, just bench him again, and suspend him for a game ... I guess they were still trying to protect their #1 pick investment at that point, hoping he'd get clean in the offseason.

NFL could probably put the screws to Pettine and find out the truth now if they wanted too. And then dock the organization for something about lying about the injury. It never ends.

Zombo

DieHardBrownsFan

So what? A little hair of the dog so to speak.

calfoxwc

sad. with the negative media, if they don't cover for him, they are throwing him under the bus.

but they did, trying to protect him from himself, and now they are complaining the Browns

covered for him.

Somehow, this media garbage has to stop. A playoff team might help.

Tour2ma

@westside-steve said:
Also as mentioned before before or after the assault with a deadly weapon, the butcher knife?

Texas' Castle laws are pretty strong...

of course she's a she...

and it was a knife not a gun...

@texasag1969 said:
I do know that anyone who pulls a butcher knife on m, male or female, is going to get a quick stunning shot to the ear, the knee or up the nose with a palm. All 3 cause at least a temporary disabling condition that allows me time to leave with no one getting stabbed.

Kung Fu Aggie?

Zombo said:
So, if that is true, he really did show up drunk and Pettine took one final bullet for him.

Should have called Tressel for advice...

Tour2ma

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
The worst part of this is that we're likely going to still be on the hook for his 2016 salary.

Is that certain? Should we suspend without pay based upon these latest allegations, does that not pave the way to a dismissal without any further pay?

Westside Steve

So if one of the Browns players ratted coach Pettine out by telling the ESPN hack the Johnny was actually drunk and the Browns lied I will assume that will bring down a load of shit on the organization. Any idea who the rat might be?

Who on the team would want to screw his teammates over like that?

WSS

Mudfly

@calfoxwc said:

sad. with the negative media, if they don't cover for him, they are throwing him under the bus.

but they did, trying to protect him from himself, and now they are complaining the Browns

covered for him..

Exactly....the Browns were the bad guys because they kept him on the bench and tried to discipline him.....and then the Browns were the bad guys by protecting and enabling him...cant have it both ways....

The biggest mistake the Browns made was to ignore the mountain of evidence available "before " the draft....So, by picking him, they sort of brought this on themselves...

@tour2ma said:
Is that certain? Should we suspend without pay based upon these latest allegations, does that not pave the way to a dismissal without any further pay?

Not sure what they're gonna do now....but if they keep him, they will be ridiculed for being stupid and if they cut him, they will be ridiculed for abandonning him in his time of need....continuing the lose-lose situation for the Browns....

@westside-steve said:

So if one of the Browns players ratted coach Pettine out by telling the ESPN hack the Johnny was actually drunk and the Browns lied I will assume that will bring down a load of shit on the organization. Any idea who the rat might be?

Who on the team would want to screw his teammates over like that?

WSS

Grossi reported this the week it happened.....but most chose to ignore it.....strange that its news now.....

Tour2ma

@mudfly said:
Not sure what they're gonna do now....but if they keep him, they will be ridiculed for being stupid and if they cut him, they will be ridiculed for abandonning him in his time of need....continuing the lose-lose situation for the Browns....

But at least one lose option saves some cap $$$.

Mudfly

@tour2ma said:
But at least one lose option saves some cap $$$.

Yep....Im hoping that happens....

Westside Steve

@mudfly said:

Exactly....the Browns were the bad guys because they kept him on the bench and tried to discipline him.....and then the Browns were the bad guys by protecting and enabling him...cant have it both ways....

The biggest mistake the Browns made was to ignore the mountain of evidence available "before " the draft....So, by picking him, they sort of brought this on themselves...

Not sure what they're gonna do now....but if they keep him, they will be ridiculed for being stupid and if they cut him, they will be ridiculed for abandonning him in his time of need....continuing the lose-lose situation for the Browns....

Grossi reported this the week it happened.....but most chose to ignore it.....strange that its news now.....

Apparently a player just confirmed it to the ESPN guy. I just wonder who it was.

WSS

Zombo

@mudfly said:

Grossi reported this the week it happened.....but most chose to ignore it.....strange that its news now.....

Yes, Grossi reported it, and he asked Pettine about it ... and they flat out denied it.

Now a player reported it to a reporter at the Super Bowl and it's probably going to blow up.

Because as we all know ... it's not the crime, it's the cover up.

The Browns who were "so mean" to Johnny, disciplining him and benching him and asking him to be an adult ... are now probably ultimately be in trouble for covering up one of his last miscues.

As you say, Johnny was a lose/lose proposition for the organization. We look like horseshit no matter what we do.

Even the homeless guy that picked him has to be feeling some regret at this point.

Zombo

Zombo

@westside-steve said:

Apparently a player just confirmed it to the ESPN guy. I just wonder who it was.

WSS

Interestingly, the reporter is Mike Silver of the NFL Network ... owned by the NFL

You conspiracy theorists can have fun with that.

As far as the player ... Silver was at the SB and said he "talked to a Browns player yesterday" ... so, if by talking, he means face-to-face chat, you gotta look at the Browns who were there.

Dansby was there I believe. He likes to talk.

Not sure said player is a "rat", they may not have thought about the consequences to the Browns. Rat to Johnny though, yes.

I vote Dansby.

Zombo

Mudfly

@westside-steve said:

Apparently a player just confirmed it to the ESPN guy. I just wonder who it was.

WSS

Yeah....dont have any idea who would "want" to hurt the Browns....but could specualte it's either a player who didnt realize how condemning this could be OR someone who already knows they wont be a Brown next season....

Zombo said:

Yes, Grossi reported it, and he asked Pettine about it ... and they flat out denied it.

As you say, Johnny was a lose/lose proposition for the organization. We look like horseshit no matter what we do.

Even the homeless guy that picked him has to be feeling some regret at this point.

I remember the pressy clearly....and wasnt sure I believed it then, cause Grossi seemed pretty clear that he wouldnt report it if he wasnt sure....

Man...what a mess....

Mudfly

Zombo said:

Interestingly, the reporter is Mike Silver of the NFL Network ... owned by the NFL

You conspiracy theorists can have fun with that.

As far as the player ... Silver was at the SB and said he "talked to a Browns player yesterday" ... so, if by talking, he means face-to-face chat, you gotta look at the Browns who were there.

Dansby was there I believe. He likes to talk.

Not sure said player is a "rat", they may not have thought about the consequences to the Browns. Rat to Johnny though, yes.

I vote Dansby.

Zombo

Was it at the SB for sure??... cause Silver is a Cali boy and I was thinking Mack might be a suspect too....

Zombo

@mudfly said:
Was it at the SB for sure??... cause Silver is a Cali boy and I was thinking Mack might be a suspect too....

BBedward posted the video above, looks like he is at SB. Mack would make a good rat since he has three paws out the door ... but that Dansby likes to talk ... and it was probably a defensive player, closer ranks with fellow offensive players.

All just speculation of course ... but what else is there to do in February?

Westside Steve

So Zombo, you are going easy on the player who drops a dime on the Cleveland Browns?

That doesn't do Manziel any good and fucks with the team.

WSS

hoorta

Zombo said:

I wonder if the NFL will investigate this.

Not that we can be in trouble for "enabling", but falsifying an injury report.

Wouldn't the doctors that examined him have to be in on it too?

If he was drunk, just bench him again, and suspend him for a game ... I guess they were still trying to protect their #1 pick investment at that point, hoping he'd get clean in the offseason.

NFL could probably put the screws to Pettine and find out the truth now if they wanted too. And then dock the organization for something about lying about the injury. It never ends.

Zombo

You may be right Z.

@mudfly said:

Not sure what they're gonna do now....but if they keep him, they will be ridiculed for being stupid and if they cut him, they will be ridiculed for abandonning him in his time of need....continuing the lose-lose situation for the Browns....

Nah- if you've read any of the comments posted on some of the National websites, the sentiment of other fans is Manziel is now officially a bum, and the the Browns would be held in the same view as the Ravens were when they dumped Ray Rice. Or you can go back even further to Lawrence Phillips types.

Zombo said:

Yes, Grossi reported it, and he asked Pettine about it ... and they flat out denied it.

Now a player reported it to a reporter at the Super Bowl and it's probably going to blow up.

Because as we all know ... it's not the crime, it's the cover up.

The Browns who were "so mean" to Johnny, disciplining him and benching him and asking him to be an adult ... are now probably ultimately be in trouble for covering up one of his last miscues.

As you say, Johnny was a lose/lose proposition for the organization. We look like horseshit no matter what we do.

Even the homeless guy that picked him has to be feeling some regret at this point.

Zombo

I really hope this doesn't come back to bite the Browns in the ass. Manziel's draft day comment should have been- "I'm gonna wreck this franchise."

Homeless guy? He may be dead by now.

Zombo

@westside-steve said:

So Zombo, you are going easy on the player who drops a dime on the Cleveland Browns?

That doesn't do Manziel any good and fucks with the team.

WSS

No, I'm saying the dumb fucker's intent was probably not to get the Browns in trouble.

But he was definitely diming on Johnny.

Zombo

TexasAg1969

@tour2ma said:
Kung Fu Aggie?

LOL! Nope, Infantry School Ag where they teach you every vulnerable place in the body and how best to get to it if you want to survive hand to hand combat. They add the spirit of the bayonet to that later in the training.

I wonder if she was wearing this when she grabbed the butcher knife?

T_Shirt_Back_OD__39704.1397226693.1280.1

Zombo

MK reports the Browns are denying lying about Johnny.

They seem pretty firm about it, and NFL doesn't seem interested in exploring it.

Also some added "suspects":

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/02/browns_say_johnny_manziel_did.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns said Tuesday a report by NFL Network's Mike Silver that they lied about Johnny Manziel's late-season concussion is false.

"Johnny Manziel came to our facility on the morning of December 30^thand complained of concussion symptoms,'' the Browns said in a statement. "He was tested by an independent neurologist and entered the league's concussion protocol. He remained in the protocol until January 12^th after being cleared by the independent neurologist."

Spokesman Peter John-Baptiste said the report the Browns lied about the concussion "is false.''

Silver reported Tuesday on NFL Network that he was told by a Browns player that Manziel showed up for work drunk the Wednesday before the Jan. 3 season finale against Pittsburgh, and that the Browns lied and said he was in the concussion protocol.

"I was with a Browns player yesterday,'' said Silver, who was at the Super Bowl all week. "Johnny Manziel, going into what would have been a start late in the season, showed up drunk at practice on a Wednesday. The Browns lied and said he was in the concussion protocol. Let me say this again: The Browns lied. To try to protect, and, what I would argue, enable, this irresponsible and very troubled young man."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told cleveland.com: "Mike Silver doesn't work for the league office. We don't have any comment on his report. I would refer you to the Browns for any potential comment.''

Based on Aiello's comments, it seems the NFL is not currently looking into the matter.

Silver, incidentally, is close friends with Browns coach Hue Jackson, who was also at the Super Bowl all week, as were many Browns players. Jackson said he spoke with Joe Thomas, Alex Mack and Christian Kirksey among others at the Super Bowl.

Manziel did show up for work disheveled and out of sorts the Wednesday before the season finale, a league source told cleveland.com. He was sent to the trainer to be checked out and diagnosed later that day with a concussion by the independent neurologist.

On Thursday, he was ruled out of the game with the concussion; and on Saturday, he was spotted in Las Vegas wearing a blond wig and a fake mustache and going by the name of Billy, according to USA TODAY Sports.