Camp Cardale
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Camp "I don't like QBs and I want Bosa"
Au contraire. I'm in Camp Cardale and I want QB above all.
I don't see the harm in spending a third round pick on the guy and plug him in the QB room for three or four years. How is that any worse than taking a flier on, say, a RG and plugging him in the OL room for maybe two or three years?
Au contraire. I'm in Camp Cardale and I want QB above all.
I don't see the harm in spending a third round pick on the guy and plug him in the QB room for three or four years. How is that any worse than taking a flier on, say, a RG and plugging him in the OL room for maybe two or three years?
So you take Cardale in addition to a QB at #2???
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Au contraire. I'm in Camp Cardale and I want QB above all.
I don't see the harm in spending a third round pick on the guy and plug him in the QB room for three or four years. How is that any worse than taking a flier on, say, a RG and plugging him in the OL room for maybe two or three years?
So you take Cardale in addition to a QB at #2???
So you take Cardale in addition to a QB at #2???
I would. It's something Browns haven't done in something like 40 years (and it didn't work then). But for a team that has had terrible QB luck, in a year that might not necessarily possess a true #1 QB prospect, taking a mid-round traits prospect (with production to some extent) can't hurt.
The upside potential of Cardale in the third is greater than that of plenty of players on the board, while having another QB mitigates the risk.
People cherish these mid-round picks like they're gold. Sure, we've had some decent mid-round production from guys. But you also have to factor in that, for a long time, our overall talent level was much lower than that of the rest of the NFL. If a third round pick could immediately contribute anywhere, it was Cleveland.
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So you take Cardale in addition to a QB at #2???
I would. It's something Browns haven't done in something like 40 years (and it didn't work then). But for a team that has had terrible QB luck, in a year that might not necessarily possess a true #1 QB prospect, taking a mid-round traits prospect (with production to some extent) can't hurt.
The upside potential of Cardale in the third is greater than that of plenty of players on the board, while having another QB mitigates the risk.
People cherish these mid-round picks like they're gold. Sure, we've had some decent mid-round production from guys. But you also have to factor in that, for a long time, our overall talent level was much lower than that of the rest of the NFL. If a third round pick could immediately contribute anywhere, it was Cleveland.
I would. It's something Browns haven't done in something like 40 years (and it didn't work then). But for a team that has had terrible QB luck, in a year that might not necessarily possess a true #1 QB prospect, taking a mid-round traits prospect (with production to some extent) can't hurt.
The upside potential of Cardale in the third is greater than that of plenty of players on the board, while having another QB mitigates the risk.
People cherish these mid-round picks like they're gold. Sure, we've had some decent mid-round production from guys. But you also have to factor in that, for a long time, our overall talent level was much lower than that of the rest of the NFL. If a third round pick could immediately contribute anywhere, it was Cleveland.
It might not be a bad strategy when you have 11 draft picks. It worked for the Redskins.
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So you take Cardale in addition to a QB at #2???
I would. It's something Browns haven't done in something like 40 years (and it didn't work then). But for a team that has had terrible QB luck, in a year that might not necessarily possess a true #1 QB prospect, taking a mid-round traits prospect (with production to some extent) can't hurt.
The upside potential of Cardale in the third is greater than that of plenty of players on the board, while having another QB mitigates the risk.
People cherish these mid-round picks like they're gold. Sure, we've had some decent mid-round production from guys. But you also have to factor in that, for a long time, our overall talent level was much lower than that of the rest of the NFL. If a third round pick could immediately contribute anywhere, it was Cleveland.
I would. It's something Browns haven't done in something like 40 years (and it didn't work then). But for a team that has had terrible QB luck, in a year that might not necessarily possess a true #1 QB prospect, taking a mid-round traits prospect (with production to some extent) can't hurt.
The upside potential of Cardale in the third is greater than that of plenty of players on the board, while having another QB mitigates the risk.
Should Cardale be a full Combine participant, then maybe, but as of now a 3rd is too high IMO... no commensurate risk/reward. Plenty of good talent in that round including many positions of significant need. Assuming we spend our #2 on a QB, that position should no longer be one of them.
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So you take Cardale in addition to a QB at #2???
I would. It's something Browns haven't done in something like 40 years (and it didn't work then). But for a team that has had terrible QB luck, in a year that might not necessarily possess a true #1 QB prospect, taking a mid-round traits prospect (with production to some extent) can't hurt.
The upside potential of Cardale in the third is greater than that of plenty of players on the board, while having another QB mitigates the risk.
People cherish these mid-round picks like they're gold. Sure, we've had some decent mid-round production from guys. But you also have to factor in that, for a long time, our overall talent level was much lower than that of the rest of the NFL. If a third round pick could immediately contribute anywhere, it was Cleveland.
I would. It's something Browns haven't done in something like 40 years (and it didn't work then). But for a team that has had terrible QB luck, in a year that might not necessarily possess a true #1 QB prospect, taking a mid-round traits prospect (with production to some extent) can't hurt.
The upside potential of Cardale in the third is greater than that of plenty of players on the board, while having another QB mitigates the risk.
People cherish these mid-round picks like they're gold. Sure, we've had some decent mid-round production from guys. But you also have to factor in that, for a long time, our overall talent level was much lower than that of the rest of the NFL. If a third round pick could immediately contribute anywhere, it was Cleveland.
I'm with you all the way on this one, man. Great thinking.
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Hogan or Brandon Allen later in the draft wouldn't be bad but that is a luxury at this point. McCown/Goff/Davis is likely how it will shake out.
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TCPO, it would undercut support for the #2 pick (if he's a QB) too much. Weren't you the one saying Tennessee should trade Mettenberger because fans' desire for him would be bad for Mariota?
I'd take Cardale if we went D with #2.
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Eeehhhhh
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TCPO, it would undercut support for the #2 pick (if he's a QB) too much. Weren't you the one saying Tennessee should trade Mettenberger because fans' desire for him would be bad for Mariota?
I'd take Cardale if we went D with #2.
TCPO, it would undercut support for the #2 pick (if he's a QB) too much. Weren't you the one saying Tennessee should trade Mettenberger because fans' desire for him would be bad for Mariota?
I'd take Cardale if we went D with #2.
I don't recall saying that, but that's also a completely different scenario - Mettenberger was an NFL starter for Tennessee before Mariota was drafted. A closer scenario to what you described would be if we drafted a guy at #2 this year and kept Manziel on our roster. Then it's like competing with your girl's ex who's always hanging around.
I don't think anyone was undercutting RG3 when they drafted Cousins. As a matter of fact, it was widely praised as a smart move by most analysts. Nor was anyone they undercutting him when RG3 got hurt the first time. The Cousins "support" didn't really come on full until Cousins' third year, after RG3's second (or third?) injury.
The undercut in support in Cleveland happens after one bad game. That's how fickle our fanbase is. If our guy at #2 throws a multi-interception game, there will be a cadre of fans calling for the backup regardless of who the backup is. If he has two bad games, that cadre becomes a mob.
So why not hedge our bets and grab a guy who could develop into starter material over time?
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And as long as McCown is the starter, were gonna get that here no matter what.....because, according to many, he's a 13 year failure and therefore provides nothing for the Browns......so, unfortunately, they will be calling for the back up(non-stop) until McCown is replaced as starter....doesnt matter who the back up is.....
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And as long as McCown is the starter, were gonna get that here no matter what.....because, according to many, he's a 13 year failure and therefore provides nothing for the Browns......so, unfortunately, they will be calling for the back up(non-stop) until McCown is replaced as starter....doesnt matter who the back up is.....
And as long as McCown is the starter, were gonna get that here no matter what.....because, according to many, he's a 13 year failure and therefore provides nothing for the Browns......so, unfortunately, they will be calling for the back up(non-stop) until McCown is replaced as starter....doesnt matter who the back up is.....
And then when McCown is on the bench, and the starter has a bad game, we'll be calling for McCown.
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Well I'm pretty sure it was you anyway.
I don't like the RG3/Cousins comparison. Cousins wasn't the hometown kid in a football crazed state that led Redskins' fans favorite college team to a national championship.
Agree that our fans will go Retarded with the first bad game by the #2 pick regardless.
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Zombo said:
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Whoa. Our resident 'experts' will be here to shit on your analysis any second now. I think Jones would of been waaaayyyy more productive in a different offense, but the boy needs a little more touch. One thing you got 100% right is there is no worthy 1st round QBs in this draft. If you are going to ride a QB into the playoffs, he has to have a big arm to fit the ball in tight windows against the best defenses. Knowing where to throw it and getting it there are two different things in this league. Jones definitely has both. Thanks Diggy, as usual.
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That was great, Emdig. I think, though, when you highlighted some of his
bad choices, wouldn't it be worse in the pros?
I don't see him as a starter for a year. He was benched for a reason - he has a lot to learn.
Hope he loves the game, and will be a film room wildman. The NFL is a huge step up.
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