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  • Cousins was taken in the 4th...

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  • Hogan or Brandon Allen later in the draft wouldn't be bad but that is a luxury at this point. McCown/Goff/Davis is likely how it will shake out.

  • TCPO, it would undercut support for the #2 pick (if he's a QB) too much. Weren't you the one saying Tennessee should trade Mettenberger because fans' desire for him would be bad for Mariota?

    I'd take Cardale if we went D with #2.

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  • W wargograw

    TCPO, it would undercut support for the #2 pick (if he's a QB) too much. Weren't you the one saying Tennessee should trade Mettenberger because fans' desire for him would be bad for Mariota?

    I'd take Cardale if we went D with #2.

    @wargograw said:

    TCPO, it would undercut support for the #2 pick (if he's a QB) too much. Weren't you the one saying Tennessee should trade Mettenberger because fans' desire for him would be bad for Mariota?

    I'd take Cardale if we went D with #2.

    I don't recall saying that, but that's also a completely different scenario - Mettenberger was an NFL starter for Tennessee before Mariota was drafted. A closer scenario to what you described would be if we drafted a guy at #2 this year and kept Manziel on our roster. Then it's like competing with your girl's ex who's always hanging around.

    I don't think anyone was undercutting RG3 when they drafted Cousins. As a matter of fact, it was widely praised as a smart move by most analysts. Nor was anyone they undercutting him when RG3 got hurt the first time. The Cousins "support" didn't really come on full until Cousins' third year, after RG3's second (or third?) injury.

    The undercut in support in Cleveland happens after one bad game. That's how fickle our fanbase is. If our guy at #2 throws a multi-interception game, there will be a cadre of fans calling for the backup regardless of who the backup is. If he has two bad games, that cadre becomes a mob.

    So why not hedge our bets and grab a guy who could develop into starter material over time?

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  • And as long as McCown is the starter, were gonna get that here no matter what.....because, according to many, he's a 13 year failure and therefore provides nothing for the Browns......so, unfortunately, they will be calling for the back up(non-stop) until McCown is replaced as starter....doesnt matter who the back up is.....

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    And as long as McCown is the starter, were gonna get that here no matter what.....because, according to many, he's a 13 year failure and therefore provides nothing for the Browns......so, unfortunately, they will be calling for the back up(non-stop) until McCown is replaced as starter....doesnt matter who the back up is.....

    @mudfly said:

    And as long as McCown is the starter, were gonna get that here no matter what.....because, according to many, he's a 13 year failure and therefore provides nothing for the Browns......so, unfortunately, they will be calling for the back up(non-stop) until McCown is replaced as starter....doesnt matter who the back up is.....

    And then when McCown is on the bench, and the starter has a bad game, we'll be calling for McCown.

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  • Well I'm pretty sure it was you anyway.

    I don't like the RG3/Cousins comparison. Cousins wasn't the hometown kid in a football crazed state that led Redskins' fans favorite college team to a national championship.

    Agree that our fans will go Retarded with the first bad game by the #2 pick regardless.

  • Z Zombo

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    Zombo said:

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  • #1 QB in 2016? C'mon, Em...

    Oh well... we'll always have Tyler Larsen...

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  • E EmDiggy

    @emdiggy said:

    Whoa. Our resident 'experts' will be here to shit on your analysis any second now. I think Jones would of been waaaayyyy more productive in a different offense, but the boy needs a little more touch. One thing you got 100% right is there is no worthy 1st round QBs in this draft. If you are going to ride a QB into the playoffs, he has to have a big arm to fit the ball in tight windows against the best defenses. Knowing where to throw it and getting it there are two different things in this league. Jones definitely has both. Thanks Diggy, as usual.

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  • That was great, Emdig. I think, though, when you highlighted some of his

    bad choices, wouldn't it be worse in the pros?

    I don't see him as a starter for a year. He was benched for a reason - he has a lot to learn.

    Hope he loves the game, and will be a film room wildman. The NFL is a huge step up.

  • The guy who was benched because of poor decision making is the best QB going into this draft? I have to respectfully disagree.

  • Actually he was benched b/c he's not the runner that Barrett is... Plus, Jones loses his OC (who catered the offense around his skills and they had success) to Houston and his top WRs..no surprise his 'numbers' 'dipped' but still never lost a game

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  • Having 7 TDs and 5INTS and generally poor decision making had nothing to do with it?

  • E EmDiggy

    Actually he was benched b/c he's not the runner that Barrett is... Plus, Jones loses his OC (who catered the offense around his skills and they had success) to Houston and his top WRs..no surprise his 'numbers' 'dipped' but still never lost a game

    @emdiggy said:

    Actually he was benched b/c he's not the runner that Barrett is... Plus, Jones loses his OC (who catered the offense around his skills and they had success) to Houston and his top WRs..no surprise his 'numbers' 'dipped' but still never lost a game

    I thought his running ability was one of his big pluses? According to your breakdown at least.

    Sorry, I'm just not seeing much to like beyond 'he's big and can throw far'

  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @mudfly said:

    And as long as McCown is the starter, were gonna get that here no matter what.....because, according to many, he's a 13 year failure and therefore provides nothing for the Browns......so, unfortunately, they will be calling for the back up(non-stop) until McCown is replaced as starter....doesnt matter who the back up is.....

    And then when McCown is on the bench, and the starter has a bad game, we'll be calling for McCown.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    And then when McCown is on the bench, and the starter has a bad game, we'll be calling for McCown.

    So how bout we just skip this bullshit and draft defense? That way there's no real clamor for Davis or Shaw when McCown has a bad game. Why draft one of these projects who we're gonna be screaming for by week 6 and then run out of town, again, by week 12?

  • can we just draft some kid at #2 who has a fairly reasonable probability of producing on the field by season opener? I know some of you guys don't like him, but Shelton was contributing from day 1. Yeah it was his rookie year and he would get caught upfield or get his pads turned now and then, he'll learn. But he was a very serviceable DT from day one...and frankly by the end of the season I saw him blowing up some veteran offensive lineman. That was a decent pick whether he's on the roster in a few years or not. You never know how things are gonna go but it looked like he was absolutely improving as the year went along. I see no reason why he won't continue that. Get some running mates on that line with him. Get either Bosa or go OLB with Jack.

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