The Best QB Draft Class
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And it could also join the list of best draft classes?
Whatever point you were trying to make failed.
It didn't fail....it was a precautionary point. We just don't know the future of this future draft class. It could join either camp.....you don't have a fucking clue what will happen. Neither do I.
It didn't fail....it was a precautionary point. We just don't know the future of this future draft class. It could join either camp.....you don't have a fucking clue what will happen. Neither do I.
Exactly... It's all about the odds... and 3:1 ain't bad...
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Hard to pick who is the worst, so to speak.....so Im gonna base mine on the most highly touted flops.....
2007 Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck
1990 Jeff George, Andre Ware
2002 David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey
2006 Vince Young, Matt Leinert, Jay Cutler, Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson
1991 Dan McGwire, Todd Marinovich, Browning Nagle....even with Farve, Ill still take '91....McGwire and Marinovich were monumental fails...
More better? Such grammar!
Im waffling on this....may be acceptable in context...?
Im waffling on this....may be acceptable in context...?
I consulted my English teacher wife and she says that it was incorrect as originally written. She's in agreement with Tour. I told her that makes her one sick puppy.
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It didn't fail....it was a precautionary point. We just don't know the future of this future draft class. It could join either camp.....you don't have a fucking clue what will happen. Neither do I.
Lets hope it joins the best class group...and we don't end up looking back and crying because we're the ones who drafted JP Losman.
Lets hope it joins the best class group...and we don't end up looking back and crying because we're the ones who drafted JP Losman.
We did that in 2012.
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We did that in 2012.
And many more.
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It didn't fail....it was a precautionary point. We just don't know the future of this future draft class. It could join either camp.....you don't have a fucking clue what will happen. Neither do I.
Exactly... It's all about the odds... and 3:1 ain't bad...
Exactly... It's all about the odds... and 3:1 ain't bad...
What I did with the "good QB" list is list all the decent QBs taken every year. With the bad classes, I didn' take every year that a really bad QB was taken ...just the years when no good QBs were taken.
That is why I eliminated 1991....as bad as it was. Even going back to the first year I listed: 1970....I didn't list that year as while there were several bad QBs, it still had Terry Bradshaw.
The parameters that I used was not the same for both lists.
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I consulted my English teacher wife and she says that it was incorrect as originally written. She's in agreement with Tour. I told her that makes her one sick puppy.
Well, go back and ask her what the right way was to say it.
"1971 had more good QBs than most other years" ?
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That list got me to thinking, so I went back and looked at all the QB drafts for the last 30 years.....and my calculation has the "best of class" QB being picked first only 11 times.....meaning 19 times, the perceived best QB really wasnt......they were wrong 66% of the time and right 33%....
Food for thought....
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That list got me to thinking, so I went back and looked at all the QB drafts for the last 30 years.....and my calculation has the "best of class" QB being picked first only 11 times.....meaning 19 times, the perceived best QB really wasnt......they were wrong 66% of the time and right 33%....
Food for thought....
That list got me to thinking, so I went back and looked at all the QB drafts for the last 30 years.....and my calculation has the "best of class" QB being picked first only 11 times.....meaning 19 times, the perceived best QB really wasnt......they were wrong 66% of the time and right 33%....
Food for thought....
Interesting.....let's eat that:
Here is the list of years where the First QB taken is the best QB of the draft year, going back to 1970:
1970 Bradshaw
1974 Danny White
1976 Richard Todd
1978 Doug Williams
1980 Marc Wilson (though some could say Eric Hipple)
1983 John Elway....though some could argue for Marino
1984 Boomer Esiason
1985 Randall Cunningham (regular draft...Kosar in supp...arguable)
1986 Jim Everett
1987 Vinny Testaverde...though Rich Gannon arguable
1989 Troy Aikman
1993 Drew Bledsoe
1995 Steve McNair
1996 Tony Banks
1998 Peyton Manning
2003 Carson Palmer
2004 Eli Manning....though BR/Rivers arguable
2008 Matt Ryan...though Flacco arguable
2009 Matt Stafford
2010 Sam Bradford
2011 Cam Newton
The following years are where the first QB taken was NOT the best to come out of that class. I give the best and which order he was taken in the draft among QBs, and then the guy that was taken first that year:
1971 Ken Anderson 5th QB taken.....Plunkett first
1972 Brian Sipe 12th QB .....Jerry Tagge 1st
1973 Dan Fouts 6th.....Bert Jones 1st
1975 Steve Grogan 3rd...Steve Bartkowski 1st
1977 Tommy Kramer 2d...Steve Pisarkewiscz 1st
1979 Joe Montana 4th....Jack Thompson 1st
1981 Neil Lomax 2d...Rich Campbell 1st
1982 Jim McMahon 2d....Art Schlichter 1st
1988 Chris Chandler 2d Tom Tupa 1st
1990 Neil O'Donnell 5th....Jeff George 1st
1991 Brett Favre 3rd...Dan McGwire 1st
1992 Brad Johnson 13th....David Klingler 1st
1994 Gus Frerotte or Trent Dilfer 6th or 2d...Heath Shuler 1st
1997 Jake Plummer 2d...Jim Drukenmiller 1st
1999 Donovan McNabb 2d...Tim Couch 1st
2000 Tom Brady 7th....Chad Pennington 1st
2001 Drew Brees 2d...Michael Vick 1st
2002 David Garrard 5th....David Carr 1st
2005 Aaron Rodgers 2d....Alex Smith 1st
2006 Jay Cutler 3rd....Vince Young 1st
2007 Trent Edwards 6th...Jamarcus Russell 1st
2012 Russell Wilson 6th......though some can argue that #1...Andrew Luck may still be better
2013 Geno Smith 2d....EJ Manual 1st (arguable
I have not done this for 2014/2015...still too early to tell I think.
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Here is this note about the Browns.....they have only ever twice in their draft history taken the the first QB taken in a draft:
1999 with Tim Couch
1954 with Bobby Garrett.
Both of these were taken with the #1 overall pick. They have never gotten the first QB available in a draft any other time...no matter how far down the draft the first QB was taken.
The other exception of course is Kosar in the Supplemental draft.
Yes, we all know that they may be in a position to take the first QB to be taken in this draft. Unless someone jumps them with a trade to the Titans to get a QB at #1, they could do that this year, if that is what they want.
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Here is more info. Teams that have taken the first QB taken in a draft the most times. Again, this is not #1 overall choice....it could be a late first round....or even later round....its just that these teams took the first QB this number of times. This goes all the way back to 1936 when the first draft was held:
Colts 8 times (this includes the first Colt franchise in 1950.....current Colts franchise 7 times)
Redskins 5 times
Cardinals 5 times
Rams 5 times
49ers 5 times
Bears 4 times
Packers 4 times
Lions 4 times
Bengals 4 times
Patriots 2 times plus 2 times in AFL draft
Cowboys 3 times
Falcons 3 times
Bucs 3 times
Oilers/Tits 3 times
Jets 2 times plus 1 time in AFL (Namath)
Raiders 2 times plus 1 time in AFL
Eagles 2 times
Browns 2 times
Steelers 1 time
Seahawks 1 time
Texans 1 time
Panthers 1 time
Bills 1 time
Jags 1 time
Chargers 1 time (Eli...traded)
Broncos 1 time in AFL.
The Saints, Vikings, Giants, Chiefs, Ravens and Dolphins have never selected the first QB taken in any draft.
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I consulted my English teacher wife and she says that it was incorrect as originally written. She's in agreement with Tour. I told her that makes her one sick puppy.
lmao... I figured you'd get her involved sooner or later. Was she also not a Manziel fan?
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These are among the better quarterbacks and they would be called 'better quarterbacks' and there would be more of them. Pretty simple.
WSS
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I consulted my English teacher wife and she says that it was incorrect as originally written. She's in agreement with Tour. I told her that makes her one sick puppy.
lmao... I figured you'd get her involved sooner or later. Was she also not a Manziel fan?
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I nominate tour to be my assistant general manager.
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Pluto wrote an article on exactly this topic just this morning....maybe he's reading our discussions....ha!
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Pluto wrote an article on exactly this topic just this morning....maybe he's reading our discussions....ha!
Pluto wrote an article on exactly this topic just this morning....maybe he's reading our discussions....ha!
If he isn't reading us, he should.
But he seems to say that out of Lynch/Goff/Wentz that he believes only one of them will become a decent starting QB in this league.
Historically that may actually be right....unfortunately.
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Pluto wrote an article on exactly this topic just this morning....maybe he's reading our discussions....ha!
Pluto wrote an article on exactly this topic just this morning....maybe he's reading our discussions....ha!
Exactly what crossed my mind... lol... uncanny...
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