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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @tour2ma said:

    • 1983 John Elway, Jim Kelley, Ken O'Brien, Dan Marino
    • 2004 Eli Manning, Phil Rivers, Ben Roethlisbeger, Matt Schaub
    • 1971 Jim Plunkett, Archie Manning, Dan Pastorini, Lynn Dickey, Ken Anderson, Joe Theisman
    • 1957 John Brodie, Len Dawson, Milt Plum, Sonny Jurgenson
    • 1979 Phil Simms, Joe Montana
    Honorable Mention:

    1973 Bert Jones, Ron Jaworski, Dan Fouts, Joe Ferguson

    TBD

    2014 Blake Bortles, Teddy Twatwater, Derek Carr

    2015 Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota

    I think I might choose the '73 draft over '79. '79 relies mainly on Joe Cool....but I think '73 had more better QBs. Numbers count some...that is why 1971 is in there.

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    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    I think I might choose the '73 draft over '79. '79 relies mainly on Joe Cool....but I think '73 had more better QBs. Numbers count some...that is why 1971 is in there.

    More better? Such grammar! 😉

    Sure that argument can be made. It's exactly why I have the 1971 class is as high as it is. Also why other, good, two-QB classes were passed over. But there are fewer in the '73 class than the '71, and the weighting of my GOAT with an assist from Sims made my decision for me.

    Still it was close... thus the honorable mention.

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    • The GipperT The Gipper

      Let's do the other side of the coin: Candidates for the Worst QB draft class. There have been some years actually where a QB was not taken in the first round. I am not including those years. I am looking at years where a number of QBs were taken in Rounds 1 and 2....and they just about all were Bust. Here, again, I am only looking at the first two rounds......and only going back to 1970 (when scouting is supposed to have improved drastically). :

      1972 Jerry Tagge, John Reaves, Pat Sullivan

      1980 Marc Wilson, Mark Malone

      1990 Jeff George, Andre Ware

      1992 David Klingler, Tommy Maddox, Matt Blundin, Tony Sacca

      1994 Heath Shuler, Trent Dilfer

      2002 David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey

      2006 Vince Young, Matt Leinert, Jay Cutler, Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson

      2007 Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck

      2010 Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen

      Note: I thought about putting 1991 in here, the year of Dan McGwire, Todd Marinovich and Browning Nagle....but that year got eliminated because it also contained Brett Favre.

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      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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      @the-gipper said:

      Let's do the other side of the coin: Candidates for the Worst QB draft class. There have been some years actually where a QB was not taken in the first round. I am not including those years. I am looking at years where a number of QBs were taken in Rounds 1 and 2....and they just about all were Bust. Here, again, I am only looking at the first two rounds......and only going back to 1970 (when scouting is supposed to have improved drastically). :

      1972 Jerry Tagge, John Reaves, Pat Sullivan

      1980 Marc Wilson, Mark Malone

      1990 Jeff George, Andre Ware

      1992 David Klingler, Tommy Maddox, Matt Blundin, Tony Sacca

      1994 Heath Shuler, Trent Dilfer

      2002 David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey

      2006 Vince Young, Matt Leinert, Jay Cutler, Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson

      2007 Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck

      2010 Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen

      Note: I thought about putting 1991 in here, the year of Dan McGwire, Todd Marinovich and Browning Nagle....but that year got eliminated because it also contained Brett Favre.

      This is a much more difficult choice. I will eliminate 1994 from the list as Dilfer did take a team to a Super Bowl win. I am debating about 2006 because Cutler has played some very decent football...but those other 4? Blechh.

      How about:

      1. 2007

      2. 1992

      3. 2010

      4. 2002

      5. 1972

      Moral of the story....for all of you touting this group of QB draft candidates for 2016: look above...it is not beyond the realm of possibility that it could join this list.

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      • Tour2maT Tour2ma

        @the-gipper said:

        I think I might choose the '73 draft over '79. '79 relies mainly on Joe Cool....but I think '73 had more better QBs. Numbers count some...that is why 1971 is in there.

        More better? Such grammar! 😉

        Sure that argument can be made. It's exactly why I have the 1971 class is as high as it is. Also why other, good, two-QB classes were passed over. But there are fewer in the '73 class than the '71, and the weighting of my GOAT with an assist from Sims made my decision for me.

        Still it was close... thus the honorable mention.

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        The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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        @tour2ma said:

        More better? Such grammar! 😉

        How would you have said it?

        Sure that argument can be made. It's exactly why I have the 1971 class is as high as it is. Also why other, good, two-QB classes were passed over. But there are fewer in the '73 class than the '71, and the weighting of my GOAT with an assist from Sims made my decision for me.

        Would you not then have to have gone with 2000? Brady/Montana, pretty close. Simms though may beat out Pennington.

        Still it was close... thus the honorable mention.

        Edit: How about this matchup:

        Montana and Simms or Peyton and Hasselbeck

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        • The GipperT The Gipper

          Let's do the other side of the coin: Candidates for the Worst QB draft class. There have been some years actually where a QB was not taken in the first round. I am not including those years. I am looking at years where a number of QBs were taken in Rounds 1 and 2....and they just about all were Bust. Here, again, I am only looking at the first two rounds......and only going back to 1970 (when scouting is supposed to have improved drastically). :

          1972 Jerry Tagge, John Reaves, Pat Sullivan

          1980 Marc Wilson, Mark Malone

          1990 Jeff George, Andre Ware

          1992 David Klingler, Tommy Maddox, Matt Blundin, Tony Sacca

          1994 Heath Shuler, Trent Dilfer

          2002 David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey

          2006 Vince Young, Matt Leinert, Jay Cutler, Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson

          2007 Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck

          2010 Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen

          Note: I thought about putting 1991 in here, the year of Dan McGwire, Todd Marinovich and Browning Nagle....but that year got eliminated because it also contained Brett Favre.

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          Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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          @the-gipper said:

          1972 Jerry Tagge, John Reaves, Pat Sullivan

          Pass on the effort, but will offer a comment...

          Interesting that since 1970, "when scouting improved", you came up with 9 candidates for a worst list, but 30 candidate classes for your best list.

          I like the odds...

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          • The GipperT The Gipper

            Let's do the other side of the coin: Candidates for the Worst QB draft class. There have been some years actually where a QB was not taken in the first round. I am not including those years. I am looking at years where a number of QBs were taken in Rounds 1 and 2....and they just about all were Bust. Here, again, I am only looking at the first two rounds......and only going back to 1970 (when scouting is supposed to have improved drastically). :

            1972 Jerry Tagge, John Reaves, Pat Sullivan

            1980 Marc Wilson, Mark Malone

            1990 Jeff George, Andre Ware

            1992 David Klingler, Tommy Maddox, Matt Blundin, Tony Sacca

            1994 Heath Shuler, Trent Dilfer

            2002 David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey

            2006 Vince Young, Matt Leinert, Jay Cutler, Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson

            2007 Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck

            2010 Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen

            Note: I thought about putting 1991 in here, the year of Dan McGwire, Todd Marinovich and Browning Nagle....but that year got eliminated because it also contained Brett Favre.

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            MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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            Hard to pick who is the worst, so to speak.....so Im gonna base mine on the most highly touted flops.....

            @the-gipper said:

            2007 Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck

            1990 Jeff George, Andre Ware

            2002 David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey

            2006 Vince Young, Matt Leinert, Jay Cutler, Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson

            1991 Dan McGwire, Todd Marinovich, Browning Nagle....even with Farve, Ill still take '91....McGwire and Marinovich were monumental fails...

            @tour2ma said:

            More better? Such grammar! 😉

            Im waffling on this....may be acceptable in context...?

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            • The GipperT The Gipper

              @the-gipper said:

              Let's do the other side of the coin: Candidates for the Worst QB draft class. There have been some years actually where a QB was not taken in the first round. I am not including those years. I am looking at years where a number of QBs were taken in Rounds 1 and 2....and they just about all were Bust. Here, again, I am only looking at the first two rounds......and only going back to 1970 (when scouting is supposed to have improved drastically). :

              1972 Jerry Tagge, John Reaves, Pat Sullivan

              1980 Marc Wilson, Mark Malone

              1990 Jeff George, Andre Ware

              1992 David Klingler, Tommy Maddox, Matt Blundin, Tony Sacca

              1994 Heath Shuler, Trent Dilfer

              2002 David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey

              2006 Vince Young, Matt Leinert, Jay Cutler, Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson

              2007 Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck

              2010 Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen

              Note: I thought about putting 1991 in here, the year of Dan McGwire, Todd Marinovich and Browning Nagle....but that year got eliminated because it also contained Brett Favre.

              This is a much more difficult choice. I will eliminate 1994 from the list as Dilfer did take a team to a Super Bowl win. I am debating about 2006 because Cutler has played some very decent football...but those other 4? Blechh.

              How about:

              1. 2007

              2. 1992

              3. 2010

              4. 2002

              5. 1972

              Moral of the story....for all of you touting this group of QB draft candidates for 2016: look above...it is not beyond the realm of possibility that it could join this list.

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              Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
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              @the-gipper said:

              This is a much more difficult choice. I will eliminate 1994 from the list as Dilfer did take a team to a Super Bowl win. I am debating about 2006 because Cutler has played some very decent football...but those other 4? Blechh.

              How about:

              1. 2007

              2. 1992

              3. 2010

              4. 2002

              5. 1972

              Moral of the story....for all of you touting this group of QB draft candidates for 2016: look above...it is not beyond the realm of possibility that it could join this list.

              And it could also join the list of best draft classes?

              Whatever point you were trying to make failed.

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              • The GipperT The Gipper

                I know a lot of you think the coming draft is full of good potential QBs. I am not so sure, but here is a related topic: A debate has often been held about which QB draft class was the best. The following are the QBs that were taken in the regular draft in many years since 1950. Decent QBs listed. I have bolded the HOF QBs, Italics for certain future HOF.

                1950 Tobin Rote, Eddie LeBaron

                1952 Billie Wade, Babe Parilli, Ed Brown

                1955 John Unitas

                1956 Earl Morrall, Bart Starr

                1957 John Brodie, Len Dawson, Milt Plum, Sonny Jurgenson

                1960 Don Meredith, Charlie Johnson

                1961 Norm Snead, Billy Kilmer, Fran Tarkenton

                1962 Roman Gabriel, John Hadl

                1964 Roger Staubach

                1965 Craig Morton, Joe Namath

                1967 Bob Griese

                1968 Greg Landry, Ken Stabler

                1970 Terry Bradshaw

                1971 Jim Plunkett, Archie Manning, Dan Pastorini, Lynn Dickey, Ken Anderson, Joe Theisman

                1973 Bert Jones, Ron Jaworski, Dan Fouts, Joe Ferguson

                1975 Steve Bartkowski, Steve Grogan

                1978 Doug Williams, Bill Kenney

                1979 Phil Simms, Joe Montana

                1983 John Elway, Jim Kelley, Ken O'Brien, Dan Marino

                1984 Boomer Esiason, Jeff Hostetler, Jay Schroeder

                1985 Randall Cunningham (Bernie Kosar, supplemental)

                1986 Jim Everett, Mark Rypien

                1987 Vinny Testaverde, Chris Miller, Jim Harbaugh, Rich Gannon, Steve Beurelein, Don Majkowski

                1988 Chris Chandler, Stan Humphries

                1989 Troy Aikman

                1991 Brett Favre

                1992 Jeff Blake, Brad Johnson

                1993 Mark Brunell, Elvis Grbac, Trent Green, Drew Bledsoe

                1995 Steve McNair, Kerry Collins, Kordell Stewart

                1998 Peyton Manning, Brian Griese, Matt Hasselbeck

                1999 Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, Aaron Brooks

                2000 Chad Pennington, Marc Bulger, Tom Brady

                2001 Michael Vick, Drew Brees

                2003 Carson Palmer

                2004 Eli Manning, Phil Rivers, Ben Roethlisbeger, Matt Schaub

                2005 Aaron Rodgers, Jason campbell, Kyle Orton, Matt Cassell

                2008 Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco

                2009 Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez

                2011 Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick

                2012 Andrew Luck, RGIII, Ryan Tannehill, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles

                2014 Blake Bortles, Teddy Twatwater, Derek Carr

                2015 Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota

                Rank say your top 5 classes of all time from the above list.

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                @the-gipper said:

                I know a lot of you think the coming draft is full of good potential QBs. I am not so sure, but here is a related topic: A debate has often been held about which QB draft class was the best. The following are the QBs that were taken in the regular draft in many years since 1950. Decent QBs listed. I have bolded the HOF QBs, Italics for certain future HOF.

                1950 Tobin Rote, Eddie LeBaron

                1952 Billie Wade, Babe Parilli, Ed Brown

                1955 John Unitas

                1956 Earl Morrall, Bart Starr (giving Morrall credit for playing most of 1972 Dolphins seasons)

                1957 John Brodie, Len Dawson, Milt Plum, Sonny Jurgenson

                1960 Don Meredith, Charlie Johnson

                1961 Norm Snead, Billy Kilmer, Fran Tarkenton

                1962 Roman Gabriel, John Hadl

                1964 Roger Staubach

                1965 Craig Morton, Joe Namath

                1967 Bob Griese

                1968 Greg Landry, Ken Stabler

                1970 Terry Bradshaw

                1971 Jim Plunkett, Archie Manning, Dan Pastorini, Lynn Dickey, Ken Anderson, Joe Theisman

                1973 Bert Jones, Ron Jaworski, Dan Fouts, Joe Ferguson

                1975 Steve Bartkowski, Steve Grogan

                1978 Doug Williams, Bill Kenney

                1979 Phil Simms, Joe Montana

                1983 John Elway, Jim Kelley, Ken O'Brien, Dan Marino

                1984 Boomer Esiason, Jeff Hostetler, Jay Schroeder

                1985 Randall Cunningham (Bernie Kosar, supplemental)

                1986 Jim Everett, Mark Rypien

                1987 Vinny Testaverde, Chris Miller, Jim Harbaugh, Rich Gannon, Steve Beurelein, Don Majkowski

                1988 Chris Chandler, Stan Humphries

                1989 Troy Aikman

                1991 Brett Favre

                1992 Jeff Blake, Brad Johnson

                1993 Mark Brunell, Elvis Grbac, Trent Green, Drew Bledsoe

                1995 Steve McNair, Kerry Collins, Kordell Stewart

                1998 Peyton Manning, Brian Griese, Matt Hasselbeck

                1999 Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, Aaron Brooks

                2000 Chad Pennington, Marc Bulger, Tom Brady

                2001 Michael Vick, Drew Brees

                2003 Carson Palmer

                2004 Eli Manning, Phil Rivers, Ben Roethlisbeger, Matt Schaub

                2005 Aaron Rodgers, Jason campbell, Kyle Orton, Matt Cassell

                2008 Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco

                2009 Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez

                2011 Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick

                2012 Andrew Luck, RGIII, Ryan Tannehill, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles

                2014 Blake Bortles, Teddy Twatwater, Derek Carr

                2015 Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota

                Rank say your top 5 classes of all time from the above list.

                Above I have highlighted all QBs who have won a championship....for what that's worth.

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                • MudflyM Mudfly

                  Hard to pick who is the worst, so to speak.....so Im gonna base mine on the most highly touted flops.....

                  @the-gipper said:

                  2007 Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck

                  1990 Jeff George, Andre Ware

                  2002 David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey

                  2006 Vince Young, Matt Leinert, Jay Cutler, Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson

                  1991 Dan McGwire, Todd Marinovich, Browning Nagle....even with Farve, Ill still take '91....McGwire and Marinovich were monumental fails...

                  @tour2ma said:

                  More better? Such grammar! 😉

                  Im waffling on this....may be acceptable in context...?

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                  @mudfly said:

                  Hard to pick who is the worst, so to speak.....so Im gonna base mine on the most highly touted flops.....

                  Im waffling on this....may be acceptable in context...?

                  It is indeed.

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                    @the-gipper said:

                    This is a much more difficult choice. I will eliminate 1994 from the list as Dilfer did take a team to a Super Bowl win. I am debating about 2006 because Cutler has played some very decent football...but those other 4? Blechh.

                    How about:

                    1. 2007

                    2. 1992

                    3. 2010

                    4. 2002

                    5. 1972

                    Moral of the story....for all of you touting this group of QB draft candidates for 2016: look above...it is not beyond the realm of possibility that it could join this list.

                    And it could also join the list of best draft classes?

                    Whatever point you were trying to make failed.

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                    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

                    And it could also join the list of best draft classes?

                    Whatever point you were trying to make failed.

                    It didn't fail....it was a precautionary point. We just don't know the future of this future draft class. It could join either camp.....you don't have a fucking clue what will happen. Neither do I.

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                    • The GipperT The Gipper

                      @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

                      And it could also join the list of best draft classes?

                      Whatever point you were trying to make failed.

                      It didn't fail....it was a precautionary point. We just don't know the future of this future draft class. It could join either camp.....you don't have a fucking clue what will happen. Neither do I.

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                      @the-gipper said:

                      It didn't fail....it was a precautionary point. We just don't know the future of this future draft class. It could join either camp.....you don't have a fucking clue what will happen. Neither do I.

                      Lets hope it joins the best class group...and we don't end up looking back and crying because we're the ones who drafted JP Losman.

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                        @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

                        And it could also join the list of best draft classes?

                        Whatever point you were trying to make failed.

                        It didn't fail....it was a precautionary point. We just don't know the future of this future draft class. It could join either camp.....you don't have a fucking clue what will happen. Neither do I.

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                        Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                        @the-gipper said:

                        It didn't fail....it was a precautionary point. We just don't know the future of this future draft class. It could join either camp.....you don't have a fucking clue what will happen. Neither do I.

                        Exactly... It's all about the odds... and 3:1 ain't bad...

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                        • MudflyM Mudfly

                          Hard to pick who is the worst, so to speak.....so Im gonna base mine on the most highly touted flops.....

                          @the-gipper said:

                          2007 Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, John Beck

                          1990 Jeff George, Andre Ware

                          2002 David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey

                          2006 Vince Young, Matt Leinert, Jay Cutler, Kellen Clemens, Tavaris Jackson

                          1991 Dan McGwire, Todd Marinovich, Browning Nagle....even with Farve, Ill still take '91....McGwire and Marinovich were monumental fails...

                          @tour2ma said:

                          More better? Such grammar! 😉

                          Im waffling on this....may be acceptable in context...?

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                          @mudfly said:

                          Im waffling on this....may be acceptable in context...?

                          I consulted my English teacher wife and she says that it was incorrect as originally written. She's in agreement with Tour. I told her that makes her one sick puppy. 😆

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                            @the-gipper said:

                            It didn't fail....it was a precautionary point. We just don't know the future of this future draft class. It could join either camp.....you don't have a fucking clue what will happen. Neither do I.

                            Lets hope it joins the best class group...and we don't end up looking back and crying because we're the ones who drafted JP Losman.

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                            @bbedward said:

                            Lets hope it joins the best class group...and we don't end up looking back and crying because we're the ones who drafted JP Losman.

                            We did that in 2012.

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                              @bbedward said:

                              Lets hope it joins the best class group...and we don't end up looking back and crying because we're the ones who drafted JP Losman.

                              We did that in 2012.

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                              @the-gipper said:

                              We did that in 2012.

                              And many more.

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                                @the-gipper said:

                                It didn't fail....it was a precautionary point. We just don't know the future of this future draft class. It could join either camp.....you don't have a fucking clue what will happen. Neither do I.

                                Exactly... It's all about the odds... and 3:1 ain't bad...

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                                The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                @tour2ma said:

                                Exactly... It's all about the odds... and 3:1 ain't bad...

                                What I did with the "good QB" list is list all the decent QBs taken every year. With the bad classes, I didn' take every year that a really bad QB was taken ...just the years when no good QBs were taken.

                                That is why I eliminated 1991....as bad as it was. Even going back to the first year I listed: 1970....I didn't list that year as while there were several bad QBs, it still had Terry Bradshaw.

                                The parameters that I used was not the same for both lists.

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                                  @mudfly said:

                                  Im waffling on this....may be acceptable in context...?

                                  I consulted my English teacher wife and she says that it was incorrect as originally written. She's in agreement with Tour. I told her that makes her one sick puppy. 😆

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                                  @texasag1969 said:

                                  I consulted my English teacher wife and she says that it was incorrect as originally written. She's in agreement with Tour. I told her that makes her one sick puppy. 😆

                                  Well, go back and ask her what the right way was to say it.

                                  "1971 had more good QBs than most other years" ?

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                                    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                                    That list got me to thinking, so I went back and looked at all the QB drafts for the last 30 years.....and my calculation has the "best of class" QB being picked first only 11 times.....meaning 19 times, the perceived best QB really wasnt......they were wrong 66% of the time and right 33%....

                                    Food for thought....

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                                      That list got me to thinking, so I went back and looked at all the QB drafts for the last 30 years.....and my calculation has the "best of class" QB being picked first only 11 times.....meaning 19 times, the perceived best QB really wasnt......they were wrong 66% of the time and right 33%....

                                      Food for thought....

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                                      @mudfly said:

                                      That list got me to thinking, so I went back and looked at all the QB drafts for the last 30 years.....and my calculation has the "best of class" QB being picked first only 11 times.....meaning 19 times, the perceived best QB really wasnt......they were wrong 66% of the time and right 33%....

                                      Food for thought....

                                      Interesting.....let's eat that:

                                      Here is the list of years where the First QB taken is the best QB of the draft year, going back to 1970:

                                      1970 Bradshaw

                                      1974 Danny White

                                      1976 Richard Todd

                                      1978 Doug Williams

                                      1980 Marc Wilson (though some could say Eric Hipple)

                                      1983 John Elway....though some could argue for Marino

                                      1984 Boomer Esiason

                                      1985 Randall Cunningham (regular draft...Kosar in supp...arguable)

                                      1986 Jim Everett

                                      1987 Vinny Testaverde...though Rich Gannon arguable

                                      1989 Troy Aikman

                                      1993 Drew Bledsoe

                                      1995 Steve McNair

                                      1996 Tony Banks

                                      1998 Peyton Manning

                                      2003 Carson Palmer

                                      2004 Eli Manning....though BR/Rivers arguable

                                      2008 Matt Ryan...though Flacco arguable

                                      2009 Matt Stafford

                                      2010 Sam Bradford

                                      2011 Cam Newton

                                      The following years are where the first QB taken was NOT the best to come out of that class. I give the best and which order he was taken in the draft among QBs, and then the guy that was taken first that year:

                                      1971 Ken Anderson 5th QB taken.....Plunkett first

                                      1972 Brian Sipe 12th QB .....Jerry Tagge 1st

                                      1973 Dan Fouts 6th.....Bert Jones 1st

                                      1975 Steve Grogan 3rd...Steve Bartkowski 1st

                                      1977 Tommy Kramer 2d...Steve Pisarkewiscz 1st

                                      1979 Joe Montana 4th....Jack Thompson 1st

                                      1981 Neil Lomax 2d...Rich Campbell 1st

                                      1982 Jim McMahon 2d....Art Schlichter 1st

                                      1988 Chris Chandler 2d Tom Tupa 1st

                                      1990 Neil O'Donnell 5th....Jeff George 1st

                                      1991 Brett Favre 3rd...Dan McGwire 1st

                                      1992 Brad Johnson 13th....David Klingler 1st

                                      1994 Gus Frerotte or Trent Dilfer 6th or 2d...Heath Shuler 1st

                                      1997 Jake Plummer 2d...Jim Drukenmiller 1st

                                      1999 Donovan McNabb 2d...Tim Couch 1st

                                      2000 Tom Brady 7th....Chad Pennington 1st

                                      2001 Drew Brees 2d...Michael Vick 1st

                                      2002 David Garrard 5th....David Carr 1st

                                      2005 Aaron Rodgers 2d....Alex Smith 1st

                                      2006 Jay Cutler 3rd....Vince Young 1st

                                      2007 Trent Edwards 6th...Jamarcus Russell 1st

                                      2012 Russell Wilson 6th......though some can argue that #1...Andrew Luck may still be better

                                      2013 Geno Smith 2d....EJ Manual 1st (arguable

                                      I have not done this for 2014/2015...still too early to tell I think.

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                                        Here is this note about the Browns.....they have only ever twice in their draft history taken the the first QB taken in a draft:

                                        1999 with Tim Couch

                                        1954 with Bobby Garrett.

                                        Both of these were taken with the #1 overall pick. They have never gotten the first QB available in a draft any other time...no matter how far down the draft the first QB was taken.

                                        The other exception of course is Kosar in the Supplemental draft.

                                        Yes, we all know that they may be in a position to take the first QB to be taken in this draft. Unless someone jumps them with a trade to the Titans to get a QB at #1, they could do that this year, if that is what they want.

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                                          Here is more info. Teams that have taken the first QB taken in a draft the most times. Again, this is not #1 overall choice....it could be a late first round....or even later round....its just that these teams took the first QB this number of times. This goes all the way back to 1936 when the first draft was held:

                                          Colts 8 times (this includes the first Colt franchise in 1950.....current Colts franchise 7 times)

                                          Redskins 5 times

                                          Cardinals 5 times

                                          Rams 5 times

                                          49ers 5 times

                                          Bears 4 times

                                          Packers 4 times

                                          Lions 4 times

                                          Bengals 4 times

                                          Patriots 2 times plus 2 times in AFL draft

                                          Cowboys 3 times

                                          Falcons 3 times

                                          Bucs 3 times

                                          Oilers/Tits 3 times

                                          Jets 2 times plus 1 time in AFL (Namath)

                                          Raiders 2 times plus 1 time in AFL

                                          Eagles 2 times

                                          Browns 2 times

                                          Steelers 1 time

                                          Seahawks 1 time

                                          Texans 1 time

                                          Panthers 1 time

                                          Bills 1 time

                                          Jags 1 time

                                          Chargers 1 time (Eli...traded)

                                          Broncos 1 time in AFL.

                                          The Saints, Vikings, Giants, Chiefs, Ravens and Dolphins have never selected the first QB taken in any draft.

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